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Yeah that's what I was thinking the trade would be.
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Yeah that's what I was thinking the trade would be.
Jack2Johnston
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I watched the games and saw his improvement from start of year to end of year.
I'm not sure how you don't take that as being fine as the no. 1 ruck. In that match against Fremantle, he negated Sandilands and did a very good job. In that game against Brisbane he beat Leuenberger pretty convincingly. Any ruckman with those stats against Sandilands and Leuenberger would be doing a pretty good job. Pyke has grown into a good legitimate AFL player, and it's morons like BT that try to detract from him.
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I would have thought this is a case of Seaby wanting out, rather than Sydney telling Seaby to pick his bags, He's performed very well in the times he's been number 1 ruck....but Mumford has performed even better. And he hasn't been as good as 2nd ruck, or even given much of a go there. So I dunno know talk of sydney's ruck stocks is a bit silly. this is a good move from both sides. Seaby finally gets that no 1 spot. Sydney clear up some list and salary cap space.
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Reports of Seaby to Port, Kane Cornes to Adelaide and Armstrong to Crows. Would love it, but I doubt it'll happen.
No he doesn't.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6038/newsid/124971/default.aspx
'The club remains committed to young ruckman Matthew Lobbe leading the ruck, but Rohde says he needs support in the short term.'
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No he doesn't.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6038/newsid/124971/default.aspx
'The club remains committed to young ruckman Matthew Lobbe leading the ruck, but Rohde says he needs support in the short term.'
My expectation is that it would have been a mutual decision - ie Sydney giving Seaby their blessing for him to explore opportunities elsewhere. If nothing eventuates, there will be no issue keeping him on our list for the final year of his contract. It is just that at his stage of his career he deserves to have more of a shot at playing senior footy than the Swans think they will able to provide him. And worst case for him is that he plays SANFL, which is still a big step up for him from the NEAFL.
I have no issues with Pyke, but if you think he can fill in as No. 1 and do the job for a month or two at a time i think you're wrong. The rucks in the AFL at the moment are of a high quality.
Cox/Nic Nat
Leuie
Godlstein/HMac
Ryder/Hille
Ottens
Sandi/Clarke/Clark
Jacobs
Jamar
Warncock/Kruezer
I believe Seaby is a better player than Pyke, and by a reasonable margin as well.
I think seaby is a better first ruck as well but the swans first ruck is Mummy, just like melbs is Jamar, geelongs is ottens etc.... Pyke isnt a first ruck but a good back up and i think seabs will thrive as a first ruck somewhere else
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Most supporters would have Pyke ahead Seaby at this point in time, and it's a sentiment shared by the swans.
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Tiges should have a look at him. Much better than Maric imo.
Pick 45 odd should definitely get it done
or pick 60 and and average player
Pick 45 odd should definitely get it done
or pick 60 and and average player
Yes, but Sydney's number one ruck is Mumford who is one of the top 3 ruckmen in the AFL. How about you take away Leuenberger, Ottens, Jacobs, and Jamar, and see how Pyke stacks up against those clubs second ruckman.
Going to sound like a troll but it is a honest opinion but how the hell is Mark Seaby not a better ruckman then Matthew Lobbe. FWIW Id take Richmonds Angus Graham/Andrew Browne over Matthew Lobbe. Id redraft a Michael Rix before playing Lobbe. The guy has shown nothing and is not a first choice ruckmans bumhole. There got that off me chest
A Swans poster posted this earlier in the week which pretty much put the nail in the head for the Seaby/Pyke debate.
Seaby is a better number 1 ruckman but Pyke is a better number 2 ruckman.
The issue with Seaby is most fans with the creation of the sub rule can't see him playing in the same team as Mumford, thus starving him of opportunity.
Seaby is a better number 1 ruckman but Pyke is a better number 2 ruckman.
The issue with Seaby is most fans with the creation of the sub rule can't see him playing in the same team as Mumford, thus starving him of opportunity.
Don't understand Longmire.
Jesse White has spent the whole year spudding it up. Thought Seaby could perform better myself
Jesse White has spent the whole year spudding it up. Thought Seaby could perform better myself
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Mark Seaby is a decent ruckman but has no versatility and can't go forward.
With the sub rule, it's almost vital for you're second ruckman to be capable in another position. Jesse White may have question marks over him, but there's no doubt he can go forward and compete.
Seaby to Port
Pick #? to St Kilda (they can't afford anything else)
Tommy Walsh to Sydney.
Make it Happen!
Port get a pretty damn good ruck option
St Kilda get picks (to be used once they knock Zac Dawson on the head and salary cap space)
Sydney get a good young forward option......
Pick #? to St Kilda (they can't afford anything else)
Tommy Walsh to Sydney.
Make it Happen!
Port get a pretty damn good ruck option
St Kilda get picks (to be used once they knock Zac Dawson on the head and salary cap space)
Sydney get a good young forward option......
Well, I wouldn't say no doubt lol.
I feel sorry for Seaby in the sense that he obviously thought he'd get more opportunities at the Swans and he's just been very unlucky.
Mumford is obviously well ahead of him and Pyke is a better tap ruckman imo, but Seaby almost always added something when he played in the seniors and could definitely make the position his own if given the chance.
I hope we keep him if we dont get a suitable trade, but I get the feeling we're too nice for that and we'll get Seaby where he wants to go regardless if it means accepting less than he's worth.
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Good analysis.
Mumford is #1 with daylight second.
Seaby just doesn't have the versatility to be a second ruckmen, but deserves a go at another club and is a decent and skilled AFL footballer.
Some Swans have got very carried away with Pyke, given he's a feel good story. He's done one or two flashy things in field play and is a decent tap ruckman, but won't make it. If you watch him closely he can sprint but doesn't have the aerobic capacity required to go for contest after contest, or the foot skills, or the contested marking skills, or, whatever else you need to be an AFL player. He simply hasn't grown up playing so simple things like consistently judging the flight of the ball and body on body in marking contests are real problems.
Then we have White/LRT who are both decent options as second ruckman (well ahead of Pyke in terms of structural needs). Jesse is a better ruckman (and contests reasonably well up fwd) but LRT a better KPP and player overall.
Currie is unproven.
You are correct that if Mummy goes down we have issues.
Pyke won't be on an AFL list beyond next year.
Pick 22 was paying unders?
True enough.
Seaby is a lot better than people are giving him credit for, he would be playing every game if it wasn't for the sub rule and Mumford's rapid rise.
I would want to see better than pick 40-60 and am surprised Richmond haven't gone after him as he's a lot better than Maric.
I would want to see better than pick 40-60 and am surprised Richmond haven't gone after him as he's a lot better than Maric.