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But Macca23, I think the important part is that they don't have to nominate for the draft again, they have done that once already.

I know we are going in circles, and won't really know till the AFL come back with an answer
 
I originally thought that rookie listed players were open to be drafted at the end of the year in the national draft and only if they dont get picked up then the club could re-nominate him as a rookie before the rookie draft.

But i think this must have changed in the past year or two as now it seems that you can re-sign a rookie to a second year and they are out of the national draft.
 
Originally posted by Macca19
I originally thought that rookie listed players were open to be drafted at the end of the year in the national draft and only if they dont get picked up then the club could re-nominate him as a rookie before the rookie draft.

But i think this must have changed in the past year or two as now it seems that you can re-sign a rookie to a second year and they are out of the national draft.
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Thats correct. Patful, Angwin and Parker will not be in the draft pool because they are under contract. Here you have a situation of these blokes agreeing to another year on the rookie list.

Somewhat different situation with Ricky Mott and Freo. They wanted to promote him on a 1 year deal and he said no. He would rather go into the draft and take his chances of getting a 2 year deal.

Asguardin, no one can select Parker, Patful and Angwin in the draft because they are contracted and they will remain with their respective clubs.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Somewhat different situation with Ricky Mott and Freo. They wanted to promote him on a 1 year deal and he said no. He would rather go into the draft and take his chances of getting a 2 year deal.
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Interesting move from a guy who got delisted from a club whose ruck stocks aren't the best (Doyle is injury prone, Ball is getting on and Goodes is arguably better utilised elsewhere...) and got overlooked in the draft 12 months ago.
 

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Originally posted by DaveW
Interesting move from a guy who got delisted from a club whose ruck stocks aren't the best (Doyle is injury prone, Ball is getting on and Goodes is arguably better utilised elsewhere...) and got overlooked in the draft 12 months ago.
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Some club\s might have told him to go into the draft and he would get picked up and offered a 2 year deal.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Some club\s might have told him to go into the draft and he would get picked up and offered a 2 year deal.
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It certainly makes you wonder if this is the case, given his delisting previously by Sydney, and his choice to be once again delisted rather than sign a 1 year contract.

It wouldn't even be beyond the realms of possibility that Adelaide is one of those clubs, given our stated intention to draft (probably in the pre-season draft) a ready to go ruckman.

As long as he's not a fruit cake in the head I'd take him.
 
Mott would be worth drafting either in the pre-season draft or perhaps with our last pick in the national draft. Whilst he probably isn't a long-term solution, he can hold his own if we get into strife with Biglands / Clarke & give us time to develop a young ruckman.
 
Originally posted by macca23
It certainly makes you wonder if this is the case, given his delisting previously by Sydney, and his choice to be once again delisted rather than sign a 1 year contract.

It wouldn't even be beyond the realms of possibility that Adelaide is one of those clubs, given our stated intention to draft (probably in the pre-season draft) a ready to go ruckman.

As long as he's not a fruit cake in the head I'd take him.
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Thats what I was thinking. Of the top of my head there would be at least 2 teams looking for a ruckman and we are one of them. It just seems odd that he would reject a spot on the list with Freo unless someone has offered better. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we had a bit of a chat to him managment.

If we do get him it would be in the National Draft and if he has turned the corner (as its being indicated) I would definetly take him with our pick 61 and invite a few youngsters to fight it out during pre-season training for a final spot on the list and get selected in pre-season draft.
 
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Mott would be worth drafting either in the pre-season draft or perhaps with our last pick in the national draft. Whilst he probably isn't a long-term solution, he can hold his own if we get into strife with Biglands / Clarke & give us time to develop a young ruckman.
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I really thik we could do worse. He is still only 22 and has plenty of development in him and lets face it he is better than Ben Marsh.:p
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I really thik we could do worse. He is still only 22 and has plenty of development in him and lets face it he is better than Ben Marsh.:p
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Stiffy, your grandmother is better than Ben Marsh!! But we're still not going to draft her!! :p

As Kane said, Mott certainly could cover for Clarke and Biglands, and would put much greater selection pressure on them to perform than either Ben Marsh or Stiffy's grandmother did!!

Reidy keeps referring to an established or experienced ruckman for immediate cover.

Unless he's talking SANFL or WAFL, who else is there in the AFL ranks that could be taken as a sensible option??
 
Originally posted by macca23
Stiffy, your grandmother is better than Ben Marsh!! But we're still not going to draft her!! :p

As Kane said, Mott certainly could cover for Clarke and Biglands, and would put much greater selection pressure on them to perform than either Ben Marsh or Stiffy's grandmother did!!

Reidy keeps referring to an established or experienced ruckman for immediate cover.

Unless he's talking SANFL or WAFL, who else is there in the AFL ranks that could be taken as a sensible option??
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:D

I really have no idea who Reidy is hinting at. I really don't think there is much on offer in SANFL. Obviously I cannot comment on WAFL and VFL as I haven't seen any of the games but i think its safe to say that Mott was pick of the ruckman in WAFL as suggested by him State of Origin selection earlier in the year.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I really thik we could do worse. He is still only 22 and has plenty of development in him and lets face it he is better than Ben Marsh.:p
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You will get no disagreement from me Stiffy! ;)
 

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Mott would be a damn difficult choice to make

PROS

He's big, bloody big, 200cm, 108kg (at start of 2003)
Has talent, saw him play a fine game against Primus
He'd come cheap, with his record he cannot stand out for salary
Has experience, playing & coping with different administrations

CONS

Physical - seems unwilling to do all the conditioning required
Mental - I question his "strength of character"

The question really comes down to - "would the guy upset the character make-up, team spirit cohesion of the playing group"

In my experience, a playing list welcomes anyone willing to put in the hard yards, but the fine web holding it all together can come undone if some see a new addition taking short cuts.

If you can crack the whip on the guy, he'd be useful, but you can't afford to let him get away with the same stuff he has already tried at other clubs
 
Originally posted by Asgardian
Mott would be a damn difficult choice to make

PROS

He's big, bloody big, 200cm, 108kg (at start of 2003)
Has talent, saw him play a fine game against Primus
He'd come cheap, with his record he cannot stand out for salary
Has experience, playing & coping with different administrations

CONS

Physical - seems unwilling to do all the conditioning required
Mental - I question his "strength of character"

The question really comes down to - "would the guy upset the character make-up, team spirit cohesion of the playing group"

In my experience, a playing list welcomes anyone willing to put in the hard yards, but the fine web holding it all together can come undone if some see a new addition taking short cuts.

If you can crack the whip on the guy, he'd be useful, but you can't afford to let him get away with the same stuff he has already tried at other clubs
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Very good points you make. If we are to recruit him we would have leave no stone unturned in making sure he is up to it. Make strict rules and stick by them. If he happens to break them, punish him. Fine him, suspend him, make him do community service or something like that.

He is not a lost cause like Angwin and with the right people and in the right environment, Mott could fulfil his potential. I guess the bottom line is, is he worth a punt or not??????
 
Originally posted by naughty monkey
we couldn't seriously be considering Mott with pick 61, but were quite happy to see Allan go to Essendon for pick 60.

That is un****enbeleivable!
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I can't believe how highly you rate Allan.
 
Originally posted by DaveW
I can't believe how highly you rate Allan.
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I'm not saying he's the greatest ruckman ever, but we're talking about a replacement for Marsh, not Clarke or Biglands!
Matthew Allan is way way better than the other hacks that keep being mentioned in here as possible replacements. He was AA 4 years ago for Kernahan's sake!

My reasoning is as follows.
imo, we need 2 more ruckman this year, a promising junior for the future (no doubt pick 14), and an AFL-ready player for the short term as a back up.

Allan is only 29.
He has already demonstrated how good he can be (once again he was AA). Worst case scenario puts him back in the pack and level with blokes like Mott and all the duds. Anything better than that and he plays a significant amount of games over the next few years.

Yes, he has had major injury worries, and these have been the reason he has lost form. But last year demonstrated that he was largely over them. With close monitoring and some better management from the medicos etc you should be able to control these to a point where he can still play.

For what i think it could have cost us (e.g. Doughty + pick 61) i reckon we were idiots for not having more of a go at getting him.

That said, maybe the Crows did ask about him, but they kept it very quiet if they did. That's the part that's got me ****ed.

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Mott's played more good football in the last two years than Allan.

And he's a lot younger too.

Essendon got Allan to fill an immediate void. In time the likes of Hille and Laycock will be their main ruckmen.

Adelaide have ruckmen for the here and now. What we need is young blood to replace Clark in a couple of years.
 

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Originally posted by DaveW
I assumed from the wink that it was some sort of inside information to do with the topic...
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No mate, no inside information on this topic. I asked him if he ever saw Krueger play (being a bays boy) and whether he would be worth drafting with pick 31. Some of us are trying to prepare for a BigFooty Phantom draft. Although you might have to start without me as I have exam at 4 pm and it finishes at 7:30 pm on the day of the draft.
 
From memory, Mott is a pretty good ruckman with a bit of brain when it comes to figuring out how to match up his opponent if they have a weakness. His intentions when rucking are probably a bit transparent though. As a backup ruckman, he should be pretty good.
 

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