Martin Hardie: I write the forms... I think Evans ran the program

[Gigantor]

and yet you don't want the players being called drug cheats

Or...I have a higher threshold as to when the term becomes operative.

It doesn't operate for mickey mouse roids.

 

[morgoth]

Cozza, I have gone back and read your posts and have a couple of comments:

1. The land deal. Fail to see the relevance at this point to the actual topic, ie did Essendon breach the WADA code. Land deals are done all day every day, and buying land on the fringes and waiting for it to be rezoned is standard practice. Lobbying Govt and even offering bribes (of some form) seems pretty common also. This is just human greed in action and people using connections.

2. The Geelong angle. Really fail to see why them being offered a cheap land deal to move there for training differs from Hawthorn getting Waverly from Mirvac for nothing. A number of clubs have been offered financial incentives to move. Maybe some form of conflict given Bombers involvement but it did not go ahead.

3. David Evans and AOD. Now I am interested to see where this goes. As I have said, Evans looking at an investment is not unusual, he would do it many times a week. That said, Calzeda is not a company that would normally get in the door at Evans and Partners and that may indicate something but its normal for people to leverage off relationships to open doors. Evans and McGuire are greedy, so if someone tells them they could make a killing they would be in to.

But I can see an angle here. One of the things that surfaced during this mess was a claim that Dank had been running a medical trial for Calzada that lets him use the placebo story to hide who took what. This was not a sanctioned trial, it had not been reported by the company but if, and its a mighty big if, Dank was running the trial to get the inside running of whether it worked it would be of huge benefit for any potential investors to have this information.

That said any trial Dank did would be pretty much worthless as he was pumping them full of so much stuff that it would be impossible to work out whether it was AOD providing the benefit or one of the other drugs/supplements he was using on them.

Apart from this, all I see at this stage is people acting out of greed and maybe a bit of corruption around a land bank but that has no direct line to what ultimately happened at Essendon. I will watch your upcoming instalments with interest.

 

[Argy]

Mine was off the scale yesterday.

Ditto.

 

[Gigantor]

Is anyone else's "Bullshit Meter" bouncing off the end of the dial?

Yes and no.

It's always fun to give a good yarn a bit of a going over, I don't really see a problem with that.

Also, I'm reminded of the scene in The Hedge, where the turtle is telling the fox (or the badger, or whatever the hell he was) that his tail was tingling, and then some nasty mutt breaks its chains and starts chasing them.

 

[Hinkley Power]

Or...I have a higher threshold as to when the term becomes operative.

It doesn't operate for mickey mouse roids.

higher threshold than who/what?

what is a mickey mouse roid?

 

[Argy]

higher threshold than who/what?

what is a mickey mouse roid?

Yes, what is a mickey mouse roid? Are they banned, or what?

 

[Gigantor]

Yes but thats par for the course with these guys. Affiliated with a club other than EFC, pretending to be concerned about the bigger picture, then it goes to fundamental rights and look at those other clubs, somewhere the UN gets a run and then after a while their posting styles change from the adopted one to similar one - see BSE, GG, Bobby, That Freo guy and now this Coz its all a big conspiracy guy.

The simplest explanation is the best, EFC ran an inhouse doping program and their supplier got busted, gave them up to the ACC and here we are today.

In fairness, Wookie was busting my chops over my preferred writing style, so I had to change if I wanted to continue imparting my wisdom on a gracious and accepting public (if not adoring).

Are you actually suggesting we are all Cozza and Cozza is us?

That would be one helluva theory, but as I have said already, I love a good yarn.

 

[Gigantor]

Yes, what is a mickey mouse roid? Are they banned, or what?

That's an excellent question.

Many thought AOD (my favourite mickey mouse roid of all) was banned.

The former WADA CEO told us over and over that it was definitively, unambiguously and unequivocally banned.

We know its the one substance that they definitely all took.

And yet, 21 months on....

 

[Gigantor]

higher threshold than who/what?

what is a mickey mouse roid?

it's the one everyone pretends to show great concern over
but then do nothing about it

 

[NikkiNoo]

I think BigFooty should look at banning people who claim false clubs as their preferred choice. It's not always easy to tell, but there have been a few obvious cases of Essendon supporters claiming to support other clubs.

Then again, come to think of it, I wouldn't admit to supporting Essendon either.

There was a certain apparent hawks supporter who was outed as a prominent journalist. Mostly because they spent all their time trolling on the Adelaide board.

 

[Gigantor]

I see we have now broached betting on the footy.

This is becoming a long and convoluted yarn.

 

[CozzaD]

Cozza, I have gone back and read your posts and have a couple of comments:

1. The land deal. Fail to see the relevance at this point to the actual topic, ie did Essendon breach the WADA code. Land deals are done all day every day, and buying land on the fringes and waiting for it to be rezoned is standard practice. Lobbying Govt and even offering bribes (of some form) seems pretty common also. This is just human greed in action and people using connections.

2. The Geelong angle. Really fail to see why them being offered a cheap land deal to move there for training differs from Hawthorn getting Waverly from Mirvac for nothing. A number of clubs have been offered financial incentives to move. Maybe some form of conflict given Bombers involvement but it did not go ahead.

3. David Evans and AOD. Now I am interested to see where this goes. As I have said, Evans looking at an investment is not unusual, he would do it many times a week. That said, Calzeda is not a company that would normally get in the door at Evans and Partners and that may indicate something but its normal for people to leverage off relationships to open doors. Evans and McGuire are greedy, so if someone tells them they could make a killing they would be in to.

But I can see an angle here. One of the things that surfaced during this mess was a claim that Dank had been running a medical trial for Calzada that lets him use the placebo story to hide who took what. This was not a sanctioned trial, it had not been reported by the company but if, and its a mighty big if, Dank was running the trial to get the inside running of whether it worked it would be of huge benefit for any potential investors to have this information.

That said any trial Dank did would be pretty much worthless as he was pumping them full of so much stuff that it would be impossible to work out whether it was AOD providing the benefit or one of the other drugs/supplements he was using on them.

Apart from this, all I see at this stage is people acting out of greed and maybe a bit of corruption around a land bank but that has no direct line to what ultimately happened at Essendon. I will watch your upcoming instalments with interest.

Thanks for reading my posts. The Hawthorn/Mirvac deal happened late 1990s (when ‘internet’ era came in on mass scale) and is worth looking at more.

I think the key thing is that, for a long time on here (from what I’ve read) the ‘end game’ seems to be the Infraction Notices, it’s not. The Corporate Governance/Conflict of Interest/Possible Corruption within the AFL system and its ‘key officials’, who oddly, a lot seem to have ALP links (save for the Kennett/Eastern Suburbs thing) can’t go uncovered. It’s well possible that these factors ‘caused ASADA’ in the first place.

Greed and a lack of transparency/accountability of officials behind closed doors (say McGuire, Kelty and Evans having a discussion at a monthly Board Meeting of Evans and Partners) the ‘ASADA story’ will not end with Infraction Notices and Player Suspensions. It’s naïve to think that this issue is done and dusted after that.

Thanks again. All I want is for people to look outside the square on this.

 

[CozzaD]

I see we have now broached betting on the footy.

This is becoming a long and convoluted yarn.

Hey, some of you asked me to rush out more info, that is what you get.

 

[Cronos]

Thanks again. All I want is for people to look anywhere but at Hird on this.

EFA. You're welcome.

 

[FuManchu]

Is anyone else's "Bullshit Meter" bouncing off the end of the dial?

Anything is plausible. I'm not tied into what he says, I'm not discounting it neither. Some of it doesn't make sense given what we know, or assume we know, or based on what has been reported. But how much of that is pretense and how much is fair dinkum?

What doesn't make sense in his scenario is if what he is intimating is true: why is Hird fighting the evidence rather than the people suggested? In some ways Hird might need to have the charges of doping proved so he can then turn it all on the 'conspirators'.

 

[Gigantor]

Thanks for reading my posts. The Hawthorn/Mirvac deal happened late 1990s (when ‘internet’ era came in on mass scale) and is worth looking at more.

I think the key thing is that, for a long time on here (from what I’ve read) the ‘end game’ seems to be the Infraction Notices, it’s not. The Corporate Governance/Conflict of Interest/Possible Corruption within the AFL system and its ‘key officials’, who oddly, a lot seem to have ALP links (save for the Kennett/Eastern Suburbs thing) can’t go uncovered. It’s well possible that these factors ‘caused ASADA’ in the first place.

Greed and a lack of transparency/accountability of officials behind closed doors (say McGuire, Kelty and Evans having a discussion at a monthly Board Meeting of Evans and Partners) the ‘ASADA story’ will not end with Infraction Notices and Player Suspensions. It’s naïve to think that this issue is done and dusted after that.

Thanks again. All I want is for people to look outside the square on this.

What does this sentence mean:

It’s well possible that these factors ‘caused ASADA’ in the first place.​

 

[CozzaD]

But I can see an angle here. One of the things that surfaced during this mess was a claim that Dank had been running a medical trial for Calzada that lets him use the placebo story to hide who took what. This was not a sanctioned trial, it had not been reported by the company but if, and its a mighty big if, Dank was running the trial to get the inside running of whether it worked it would be of huge benefit for any potential investors to have this information.

Key paragragh, hold onto it, as it comes back to Phosphagenics/Calzada/Ersa Ogru court case where David Grace acted for the Defendants.

 

[hairy biker]

All I want is for people to look outside the square on this.

 

[Keys]

Is anyone else's "Bullshit Meter" bouncing off the end of the dial?

New poster to the board
69 posts and counting in 24 hours all on the same subject pushing an agenda

There's definitely something not quite right.

 

[CozzaD]

New poster to the board
69 posts and counting in 24 hours all on the same subject pushing an agenda

There's definitely something not quite right.

Go on, keep at it. I’m not going anywhere…

 

[Argy]

Thanks for reading my posts. The Hawthorn/Mirvac deal happened late 1990s (when ‘internet’ era came in on mass scale) and is worth looking at more.

...

Thanks again. All I want is for people to look outside the square on this.

Problem for you is "Outside the square" means off topic. You are in the wrong place. We are discussing doping here, not AFL corruption. What you have might be interesting, but it's in the wrong place.

 

[CozzaD]

Problem for you is "Outside the square" means off topic. You are in the wrong place. We are discussing doping here, not AFL corruption. What you have might be interesting, but it's in the wrong place.

So where is the right place then? Also, what’s stopping the Doping being linked the possible corruption? (Key angle here is Evans and Partners possible investment in “Pharmaceuticals”?)

 

[morgoth]

Mine was off the scale yesterday.

I suspect someone is:

1. Using us to pick holes in the 'story' and clean it up

2. Alerting interested parties (media etc) that something is cooking for what reason remains to be seen.

Wait ans see but there is no way Cozza is making this up (so to speak), their is an angle here. Could it be Barkley St End?

 

[Argy]

So where is the right place then? Also, what’s stopping the Doping being linked the possible corruption? (Key angle here is Evans and Partners possible investment in “Pharmaceuticals”?)

AFL corruption is probably best on the main AFL board.

Evans company being linked to doping is for this board, I guess.

 

[sonnywalters]

Did they? With Kelty an AFL Commissioner, and a Board Member of David Evans private company, it could have been shut down...... Just saying......

Well we know that Fitzpatrick is still protecting Little and shutting down any dissenting clubs. Eddie is clearly playing along with the AFL Commission ( he is tight as as drum with Kelty and Evans and has joint financial interests)

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ssendon-as-saga-drags-on-20140922-10kj0r.html

Fitzpatrick said any move to admonish Little and chief executive Xavier Campbell, both of whom attended the talks, should come from the AFL.
Geelong president Colin Carter and Brisbane Lions chief executive Greg Swann said club bosses had largely not broached the issue during the 90-minute meeting, while Collingwood president Eddie McGuire said improving the match-day experience for supporters next season was the key topic of discussion.
Fremantle's Steve Harris asked several pointed questions of the cost of the Essendon action and what the time frame going ahead was, but this line of questioning was cut short.
"It wasn't discussed. I think the decision was that if there was a discussion to be had, Mike would talk to Paul Little separately. We decided we wouldn't make that a public discussion in there," Carter said.