Matchups against Collingwood?

[Ashb23]

Re: Leon Davis and Alan Didak

Hmm wouldnt put egan in there and is that list for players available to play now, coz James clement is the number one defender in the comp, and not only pie supporters think so. He cant be beaten. Egan is not the number 6 in the afl, bit of a silly call very biast mate haha.

Rocca will beat egan, if i was a cats supporter i would prey for scarlo to be on Rocca. He will be keen to get back into after 2 weeks off rocca.

Enright on didak would be a good match up, wojinski on leon is good to i think. I dont mean good as in good for collingwood i mean a good match up for both clubs

Well then, I'm glad you're not a cats supporter. After Saturday you will see Egan in a different light, but thats ok, most opposition supporters underate him.

 

[darren forssman]

Re: Leon Davis and Alan Didak

Wojcinski has played only Didak in the past and doesn't find him to be a difficult opponent... So maybe Tenace could go with Leon Davis and Bomba play on Didak?

i like woja but no way he goes to didak, he is not accountable enough.

 

[JoeLCatS]

Re: Leon Davis and Alan Didak

Hmm wouldnt put egan in there and is that list for players available to play now, coz James clement is the number one defender in the comp, and not only pie supporters think so. He cant be beaten. Egan is not the number 6 in the afl, bit of a silly call very biast mate haha.

Rocca will beat egan, if i was a cats supporter i would prey for scarlo to be on Rocca. He will be keen to get back into after 2 weeks off rocca.

Enright on didak would be a good match up, wojinski on leon is good to i think. I dont mean good as in good for collingwood i mean a good match up for both clubs

Ahahaha i love it! Everyweek egan is massively underrated and everyweek he destroys the opponents CHF, its gold!

 

[Asty]

Re: Leon Davis and Alan Didak

Hmm wouldnt put egan in there and is that list for players available to play now, coz James clement is the number one defender in the comp, and not only pie supporters think so. He cant be beaten. Egan is not the number 6 in the afl, bit of a silly call very biast mate haha.

I agree Clement is one of the premier defenders but I would have Egan in the top 10. He has eclipsed Harley this year to become our CHB and is probably in the top 2 CHB's in the competition. In that list he is probably the only actual CHB there (C.Cornes maybe if he was playing CHB more and not OB). He played 22 games last year and only had 28 goals kicked on him and this year he has already had comments from some parts of the media that he could be considered for AA. Doesn't mean he will get selected but does indicate he is having another v.good year.

I think he will get 1st crack at rocca because he is a closer size match than scarlett (196cm 101kg or something like that) and will be able to go with rocca on the lead and hopefully get a fist on the ball in the one on ones. Of course milburn across the 1/2 back and scarlett across FF will be there to lend a hand in pack situations.

 

[Stoney]

Re: Leon Davis and Alan Didak

i like woja but no way he goes to didak, he is not accountable enough.

Dude ur deluded... Bomba is one of the best defensive players in our team when given a task.

The trouble is he is also one of the best OFFESIVE players in our team with his run and carry, he can do either exceptionally well, its just a matter of what Bomber Thompson assigns him for the night - play defensive or play attacking.

 

[Hood007]

Re: Leon Davis and Alan Didak

I think Enright's defence skills wouldn't be up to the task against Didak who is one of the most dangerous small forwards in the competition.

Enright's played on and beaten a number of dangerous small forwards this year. Milne & Brent Harvey are a couple off the top of my head.
I wouldn't be mad if he lined up on Didak...

 

[Ferga18]

Not saying egan is a bad defender, he has jumped to a new level this year., there is no doubt in that, but I believe Scarlett would be the better option for you guys to play on rocca. Not saying egan cant do it, he can, but i just think rocca has a little to much strength for egan. and also Rocca will play deep and thats where scarlett likes to play.

Cloke on Harley will be a good contest both in good form cloke is quick on a lead so harley must match that.

Also the ruck dual will be interesting, Josh Fraser I think is in the top 3 ruckman agility wise, runs very well around the ground, where blake and ottens might struggle in that department in keeping up with him.

The big questin will be: How will the likes of Licuria, Pendlebury, Swan, O'bree stand up to the midfield of Ablett, Ling, Bartel, Corey...

 

[Budha32]

If DJ plays we don't want him on either davis or didak.

DJ needs a lead up small, not a crumbing sneak. He flys as the second/third jumper in marking contests too often, which although admirable, leaves his opponents running to goal unaccounted for.

Scarlo on Rocca
Egan on Cloke
Harley on Reid
Mackie on Thomas
Milburn on Davis/Medhurst (Use up on way back out)
Enright on Didak

 

[Fireman_sam]

Rooke would have been perfect for Heath Shaw.

I don't think Ling is the right matchup. Ling is great at negating his oppponent at stoppages and going forward usually creates a mismatch. Heath Shaw woulds easily handle Ling as a forward and run off him using his foot skills.

Most Important:
Ling to Swan
Kelly on H.Shaw

Mackie on Dale Thomas
Harley on Cloke
Egan on Rocca
Milburn on Medhurst
Scarlett as Full Back
Enright on Leon Davis
Wojac on Didak

Swan will be going straight to Gary Ablett or Chapman and forcing them to play defensive.

 

[pocketROCKET]

The key to the pies running game is Swan. I think our defenders will handle their forwards well but we must score at every opportunity we get inside 50. Otherwise guys like Swan will kill us on the rebound and use what has been our great running game against us. Shut them down and the pies will self-destruct. Big game needed from Bartel.

 

[Fireman_sam]

Not saying egan is a bad defender, he has jumped to a new level this year., there is no doubt in that, but I believe Scarlett would be the better option for you guys to play on rocca. Not saying egan cant do it, he can, but i just think rocca has a little to much strength for egan. and also Rocca will play deep and thats where scarlett likes to play.

Cloke on Harley will be a good contest both in good form cloke is quick on a lead so harley must match that.

Also the ruck dual will be interesting, Josh Fraser I think is in the top 3 ruckman agility wise, runs very well around the ground, where blake and ottens might struggle in that department in keeping up with him.

The big questin will be: How will the likes of Licuria, Pendlebury, Swan, O'bree stand up to the midfield of Ablett, Ling, Bartel, Corey...

THis is an interesting question. This year no one has been able to stop the pies midfield. they dont have the big names like buckley n e more. They hav e a unit that works for each other..

i wouldnt be surprise if the match ups went like this...

Pendlebury-Corey
Swan-Ablett
Licuria- Bartel (licuria will sacrifice his brownlow form) haha
Ling will want to tag someone obviously. thats one i cant pick... maybe burns?

 

[4#Didak#4]

Scarlo on Rocca
Egan on Cloke
Harley on Reid
Mackie on Thomas
Milburn on Davis/Medhurst (Use up on way back out)
Enright on Didak

I would be surprised if Reid played this week. Milburn won't be able to go with Leon but a good match for Medhurst. Harley or Egan will take Cloke the spare will go to our resting ruckman Fraser or Bryan. Would Wojinski play on Davis?

 

[someday-somehow]

I would be surprised if Reid played this week. Milburn won't be able to go with Leon but a good match for Medhurst. Harley or Egan will take Cloke the spare will go to our resting ruckman Fraser or Bryan. Would Wojinski play on Davis?

We won't play anyone on Davis, just put a man inbetween him and rocca to mark his poor disposals.

Leon Davis reminds me of Ronnie Burns...he should be at the peak of his powers but is far to inconsistent still after all these years. I can't believe malthouse persists with him.

 

[someday-somehow]

Not saying egan is a bad defender, he has jumped to a new level this year., there is no doubt in that, but I believe Scarlett would be the better option for you guys to play on rocca. Not saying egan cant do it, he can, but i just think rocca has a little to much strength for egan. and also Rocca will play deep and thats where scarlett likes to play.

Cloke on Harley will be a good contest both in good form cloke is quick on a lead so harley must match that.

Also the ruck dual will be interesting, Josh Fraser I think is in the top 3 ruckman agility wise, runs very well around the ground, where blake and ottens might struggle in that department in keeping up with him.

The big questin will be: How will the likes of Licuria, Pendlebury, Swan, O'bree stand up to the midfield of Ablett, Ling, Bartel, Corey...

Egan will be on Rocca and Rocca will be double teamed.....the big question is cloke, he is a hard match up...Harley is too slow.

 

[4#Didak#4]

We won't play anyone on Davis, just put a man inbetween him and rocca to mark his poor disposals.

Leon Davis reminds me of Ronnie Burns...he should be at the peak of his powers but is far to inconsistent still after all these years. I can't believe malthouse persists with him.

This is a common misconception opposition supporters & a few blind (not one eyed, just one brain cell) Pies supporters have. Certainly in his early years as a young fella he was all over the place (those grand finals didnt help him) but last year & this year he has come a long way. Young aboriginal players take a bit longer to find their feet as you will find with Varcoe, they are capable of anything when they get it, but just dont get it enough. Just have to give em time. Once they have matured they are extremely valuable.

Before he got injured last year he was one of our most important players & is going quite nicely this year. He is now part of the midfield rotations (which Malthouse should have done earlier instead of letting him get scragged in the pocket all day long) & we do not have another player with better skills or pace than he does. Some of his work against the Saints was excellent & expecting some more this weekend. He may not get 20+ possies but the ones he gets will do damage. 10 touchs from Leon equals Licca's 30.

 

[someday-somehow]

This is a common misconception opposition supporters & a few blind (not one eyed, just one brain cell) Pies supporters have. Certainly in his early years as a young fella he was all over the place (those grand finals didnt help him) but last year & this year he has come a long way. Young aboriginal players take a bit longer to find their feet as you will find with Varcoe, they are capable of anything when they get it, but just dont get it enough. Just have to give em time. Once they have matured they are extremely valuable.

Before he got injured last year he was one of our most important players & is going quite nicely this year. He is now part of the midfield rotations (which Malthouse should have done earlier instead of letting him get scragged in the pocket all day long) & we do not have another player with better skills or pace than he does. Some of his work against the Saints was excellent & expecting some more this weekend. He may not get 20+ possies but the ones he gets will do damage. 10 touchs from Leon equals Licca's 30.

You must see something I don't....I'll admit he has improved but for mine the likes of Lockyer and Licuria make him look second rate. He doesn't go after the contested ball, usually tries the one handed pickup which only occasionally comes off and his disposal is still hit and miss.
He will always try for the "miracle goal" and occasionally he gets it and he is showered in glory.
You compared him to Varcoe, for me varcoe is streets ahead as while he is down on form he is still applying forward defensive pressure and I don't think "Neon" knows what that means.
As I said he is like ronnie burns but 4-5 good games out of 22 is not a reason to keep him.

 

[4#Didak#4]

You must see something I don't....I'll admit he has improved but for mine the likes of Lockyer and Licuria make him look second rate. He doesn't go after the contested ball, usually tries the one handed pickup which only occasionally comes off and his disposal is still hit and miss.
He will always try for the "miracle goal" and occasionally he gets it and he is showered in glory.
You compared him to Varcoe, for me varcoe is streets ahead as while he is down on form he is still applying forward defensive pressure and I don't think "Neon" knows what that means.
As I said he is like ronnie burns but 4-5 good games out of 22 is not a reason to keep him.

Obviously he is a different sort of player to Lockyer & Licuria, that is like comparing Varcoe to Bartel & saying Varcoe is second rate. They play different roles & you can't have a lot of "same" players in your side, which Collingwood can be accused of. This is why he is important he can break up our hard in & under midfield with a bit of pace & class.

His disposal to leading forwards is amongst the best in our side & Leon has always been very good at forward defensive pressure even when he was having his bad years, every player at Collingwood has this drilled into them even Medhurst is getting better.

Leon doesnt have the size that Varcoe does, which is why I think he will be a great player for the Cats in time. Leon is undersized & can get pushed off the ball too much, which is why he doesnt get a lot of contested ball, but we are not exactly in short supply of guys who do this.

He does have a bit of Steve Johnson about him when he gets near goal, but I think he would have a license to go for it when it feels right as would Didak because they do kick a lot of goals out of nothing. Besides I am more comfortable with Leon or Didak blindfolded on the boundry than with Cloke or Rocca set shot from 20 metres.

 

[someday-somehow]

Obviously he is a different sort of player to Lockyer & Licuria, that is like comparing Varcoe to Bartel & saying Varcoe is second rate. They play different roles & you can't have a lot of "same" players in your side, which Collingwood can be accused of. This is why he is important he can break up our hard in & under midfield with a bit of pace & class.

His disposal to leading forwards is amongst the best in our side & Leon has always been very good at forward defensive pressure even when he was having his bad years, every player at Collingwood has this drilled into them even Medhurst is getting better.

Leon doesnt have the size that Varcoe does, which is why I think he will be a great player for the Cats in time. Leon is undersized & can get pushed off the ball too much, which is why he doesnt get a lot of contested ball, but we are not exactly in short supply of guys who do this.

He does have a bit of Steve Johnson about him when he gets near goal, but I think he would have a license to go for it when it feels right as would Didak because they do kick a lot of goals out of nothing. Besides I am more comfortable with Leon or Didak blindfolded on the boundry than with Cloke or Rocca set shot from 20 metres.

Well no suprises there. I think you are looking at leon through rose coloured glasses. He has pace, he has class but just does not do the 1 percenters and is too hit and miss to be playing AFL. I know it was a few years ago but going statless in a grand final speaks volumes to me...but hey if you're happy with him that's all that matters, if I was a pies supporter though I would be starting a thread about trading him...I reckon the best you would do is a 3rd round pick.

Now that I've said all this he will probably have a blinder on saturday.

 

[prO]

I know it was a few years ago but going statless in a grand final speaks volumes to me...but hey if you're happy with him that's all that matters, if I was a pies supporter though I would be starting a thread about trading him...I reckon the best you would do is a 3rd round pick.

Going by that logic - you will lose again by 100+ points? I dont think so, maybe 80 or so. *cough*

In all seriousness it will be a good game.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

You must see something I don't....I'll admit he has improved but for mine the likes of Lockyer and Licuria make him look second rate. He doesn't go after the contested ball, usually tries the one handed pickup which only occasionally comes off and his disposal is still hit and miss.
He will always try for the "miracle goal" and occasionally he gets it and he is showered in glory.
You compared him to Varcoe, for me varcoe is streets ahead as while he is down on form he is still applying forward defensive pressure and I don't think "Neon" knows what that means.
As I said he is like ronnie burns but 4-5 good games out of 22 is not a reason to keep him.

This season, Leon is averaging more disposals, more tackles, and more goals per game.

 

[DanA]

We won't play anyone on Davis, just put a man inbetween him and rocca to mark his poor disposals.

Leon Davis reminds me of Ronnie Burns...he should be at the peak of his powers but is far to inconsistent still after all these years. I can't believe malthouse persists with him.

I would have said Neon's having a great year. Kicking for goal from what I have seen has been very accurate and he seems like he is applying more pressure in the forward 50 than in the past. I would have said he is having a better year than Varcoe however Varcoe has about 8 years to improvement.

 

[sarah.13]

This season, Leon is averaging more disposals, more tackles, and more goals per game.

More than who?

 

[TheYid]

from a pies perspective

Wakelin - Ottens
O'Brien - Mooney
Goldsack - N.Ablett
Lockyer - G.Ablett
H.Shaw - P.Chapman
Swan - S.Johnson

Maxwell to rotated on a 4th tall or play as a loose man

If Collingwood do this then they'll get smashed. Ottens doesn't play much in the forward line, O'Brien will not be able to beat Mooney and should take N.Ablett instead, leaving Wakelin for Mooney, with O'Brien picking up another tall. There are no good matchups for Gazza and Chappy, and Steve J is pretty unpredictable. This will be a headache for Collingwood.

If I were Collingwood, I'd be worried more about players like Selwood, Mackie, the Coreys and Wojo. It's Geelong's broad spectrum of even players that allow them to pop up and kick goals from anyone or any position on the ground.

It's gonna be nothing like last year. Collingwood could win, but Geelong would have to play awfully.

 

[TheYid]

Re: Leon Davis and Alan Didak

Rocca will not be a problem imo - he has had a poor season and we have 3 of the AFL's top 10 KP defenders in my (albeit bias) opinion.

1.) B Rutten
2.) M Scarlett - GEEL
3.) D Glass
4.) D Fletcher
5.) M Michael
6.) M Egan - GEEL
7.) T Harley - GEEL
8.) N Bassett
9.) L Barry
10.) N Carroll

So i think collingwood forward will have a tough gig...

I think Egan will get Rocca, Harley will get Medhurst, Wojcinski/Enright will get Didak, Wojcinski/Tenace will get Davis, and Scarlett will play as a loose man rebounding out of D50.

If lists like this one speak truth then Collingwood are in trouble. The #1 defensive player listed is Rutten....and Mooney beat him pretty soundly on the day. If Big Cam can play llike that again....who can the Woods put on him?

 

[Palmer Stoat]

More than who?

Varcoe, as you can see from the post I quoted.