Matt Prior the cheat

[Tyberious Funk]

Have we heard an official explanation on what this was all about?

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I'd be particularly interested in Ian Botham's thoughts, given how outspoken he has been about some of the Australian players.

 

[maka]

mmmmm, doesnt look to good, he wasn't looking at the stumps, then when he motioned towards to bails he noticed they were off.

I dont really know it doesnt look very good at all though

EDIT: on second view, he was looking at the stump, i suppose pressure can make a player do silly things.

 

[damochandler]

Have we heard anything from botham

 

[wce4premiership]

Shocking.Lord knows what he was thinking he definitely pointed at the bail as if to say "he's gone"

 

[TheBrownlowMan37]

"and Matthew Prior has basically thought that the ball's hit the stump, dislodged the bail and that's it"

Yeah, except for the part where he clearly takes a swipe with his glove to knock the bail off and then point to it as if Johnson was bowled.

Filthy [strike]South African[/strike] Pom!

 

[The Passenger]

holy shit i was working last night so hardly saw any of the game. call me biased but that was far worse than phil hughes which didn't look great (which i why i never defended him) but at the same time i've seen far worse incidents and i thought botham was just being his typical ******** self.

prior, however, is blatantly pointing at the stumps as if he was bowled. to say otherwise is being very naive.

EDIT: similar to haddin years ago who also got pretty roasted for what he did.

 

[TheStinger]

At the risk of sounding redundant, the level of England's "sportsmanship" has declined markedly in the last decade or so. From Michael Atherton and his pocket full of sand to the endless revolving door policy on their dressing room during test matches, the list continues to grow with poor displays of the gentleman's game.

So in conclusion, with the precedent set at the top it is not surprising that the rest of the players follow suit with regards to "cheating".

 

[maka]

its funny, because in the dying overs he also appealed for a caught behind and motioned for a replay .....

 

[maka]

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seems all keepers are cheats though

 

[BarneyBent]

I don't think Haddin would have had the presence of mind, nor the required co-ordination, to knowingly do what he did.

I don't think Prior had the required lack of brains to even attempt to get away with what he did. I just can't see it. I've said it before in the game thread, and I'm saying it again here, I honestly don't think Prior had realised he'd taken the bail off. The ball did in fact hit the stump, whipping the bails off can often be a reflex movement and non-conscious, and you can see that his gloves only brushed the bails, so he could easily have not have felt it. It's plausible. I just can't see Prior trying to get away with it when it was so obviously not out. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Gak Attack]

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seems all keepers are cheats though

Nothing new, i'm amazed they are allowed to call for replays.. Prior went for one without even looking at his captain.. they all think everything is out and if it isn't they will try and make it look like it is.

All countries seem to have lowered the sportsmanship of late. All it takes is a few people to do it and the rest will follow.. England stop walking and challenge any close catch and then of course the opposition will think 'well they won't walk I won't either'. Sportsmanship probably left with Gilchrist.

 

[maka]

I don't think Haddin would have had the presence of mind, nor the required co-ordination, to knowingly do what he did.

I don't think Prior had the required lack of brains to even attempt to get away with what he did. I just can't see it. I've said it before in the game thread, and I'm saying it again here, I honestly don't think Prior had realised he'd taken the bail off. The ball did in fact hit the stump, whipping the bails off can often be a reflex movement and non-conscious, and you can see that his gloves only brushed the bails, so he could easily have not have felt it. It's plausible. I just can't see Prior trying to get away with it when it was so obviously not out. It just doesn't make any sense.

No chance at all BSAngel, that was not a reflex bail take, that was a lunge at the stump.

 

[Sylvia Saint]

Haddin's was bad but way more subtle than Prior's. I mean at least in fast motion it looks like Broom was bowled. As said above I highly doubt Haddin's antics were deliberate, however he loses serious points for not owning up I suppose.

I really don't know who Prior was trying to fool. Clear as day that he whipped the bail off himself. I saw the incident live and initially just assumed Johnson must have lifted his foot and was out stumped. Couldn't believe that they were appealing for a bowled.

Anyway who cares the guy is bald, avg glovesmen and shits himself against genuine pace with the willow. He can get ****ed.

 

[maka]

Nothing new, i'm amazed they are allowed to call for replays.. Prior went for one without even looking at his captain.. they all think everything is out and if it isn't they will try and make it look like it is.

All countries seem to have lowered the sportsmanship of late. All it takes is a few people to do it and the rest will follow.. England stop walking and challenge any close catch and then of course the opposition will think 'well they won't walk I won't either'. Sportsmanship probably left with Gilchrist.

and his glove filled squash ball

 

[rickyp]

I tend to agree with BSangel, it just seems a little too strange. Could anyone possibly be that stupid? He knows there are hundreds of cameras watching the game, and he knows they'll be able to see him take off the bails. Not to mention that the decision was always going to be reviewed (placing more camera emphasis). It just seems a little too weird. Same goes for Haddin.

 

[PrideOf]

and his glove filled squash ball

Would you have preferred he had some Murray mints or a handful of sand in there?

 

[maka]

Would you have preferred he had some Murray mints or a handful of sand in there?

No, i just think if you want to call players out and then list an angel, he needs to be clean, all eyes would turn back too the the underarm bowling incident anyhow

 

[The Passenger]

Haddin's was bad but way more subtle than Prior's. I mean at least in fast motion it looks like Broom was bowled. As said above I highly doubt Haddin's antics were deliberate, however he loses serious points for not owning up I suppose.

hmmmm i'm the first to stick up for had's on these boards. he's got a serious case of white line fever which puts him offside with a lot of people but off the field he's a top quality bloke. but in that Broom incident he was guilty as sin. I can see where your coming from that it was all pretty quick and in normal motion you would've thought broom was bowled... but still had's let himself down on that one i reckon. and i remember in the aftermath he had a pretty big go at vettori. wasn't his best moment i gotta say.

but prior's incident is very very ordinary. that doesn't look good at all.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

No, i just think if you want to call players out and then list an angel, he needs to be clean, all eyes would turn back too the the underarm bowling incident anyhow

What exactly wasn't "clean" about the use of the squash ball?

 

[thesting]

No, i just think if you want to call players out and then list an angel, he needs to be clean, all eyes would turn back too the the underarm bowling incident anyhow

I get the point you are trying to make, but neither the squash ball, nor the underarm were against the rules of the game at the time (Chappell had to tell the umpire and batsman he was going to bowl underarm, not sure how he got away with that if it was against the rules of the time).

 

[maka]

I get the point you are trying to make, but neither the squash ball, nor the underarm were against the rules of the game at the time (Chappell had to tell the umpire and batsman he was going to bowl underarm, not sure how he got away with that if it was against the rules of the time).

I was going to mention that but i think its become to the point where media are doing everything too put players through hell and the players now are expected to do anything to win - ala the match fixing incident and ball biting from Pakistan, the players know camera are everywhere but they just lose there minds in the moment

 

[maka]

What exactly wasn't "clean" about the use of the squash ball?

what exactly wasn't clean about the use of lollies?

 

[Illinois Nazi]

what exactly wasn't clean about the use of lollies?

Something to do with using an external substance to alter the condition of the ball, I guess.

 

[maka]

Something to do with using an external substance to alter the condition of the ball, I guess.

though they only used the saliva from their mouths as far as i am aware

Fringe Australian fast bowler Nathan Bracken yesterday revealed there was a particular English breath-freshener which helped the ball reverse swing. "It is just a breath mint you put in your mouth but it makes your saliva very sugary and that is being talked about being used over there," Bracken, who has played English county cricket for Gloucestershire, told a Sydney radio station. "Every team has lollies and things like that, we had all our lollies checked before the first game to make sure there was nothing illegal that we had. When I was playing at Gloucester a couple of years ago, as soon as we needed the ball to go 'Irish' the captain would call and they would bring out some of these mints and it would work."

 

[Illinois Nazi]

though they only used the saliva from their mouths as far as i am aware

Apart from the footage of someone rubbing the ball with the lolly that "accidentally" came out of his mouth.

In any case, I never mentioned the lolly incident, I just asked what was not "clean" about the squash ball. I can't see anything dodgy about that at all. No different to putting five or six grips on your bat handle, cutting your handle shorter to make yourself hold it lower, tightening one strap on your front pad to stop yourself stepping too far forward on your shots... Not that I'm aware of anyone ever doing those things, but if they did (a) would we even know and (b) would it matter?