Mega Thread Matt Rendell situation thread #2

[JP Sauce]

Why is a paid AFL official being allowed to tweet inflammatory tweets on the subject?

Because he doesn't have 2 white parents?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Is this really Ali on Twitter? If not, I apolgise for what I'm about to write.

Matt is probably not the most articulate or well spoken person going around, which is just the fodder an ignorant wowser needs to downhill ski his way to politically correct pats on the back, all the while failing to address the real issue at hand. This is the tried and true tactic of the wowser.

Matt Rendell has 35 years of top notch football experience, including experience with the recruitment and fostering of indigenous players. The fact that he's a bit rough around the edges and loose with language is neither here nor there to the issue, but it's the best Ali has got.

Get off Twitter and do some real work, Ali, you w***er.

 

[Dandy_GO]

He replied:
"@DarylAdair thanks mate. Complex situation. Some understand, most don't but overall it's the right thing."

We'd love to understand, but, at this point, only one person seems to have made an attempt to help us do that, and it certainly isn't Misfud.
Everyone else is just doing their darndest to cover it up.

 

[jenny61_99]

Caro maybe asked one pertinent question last night - how could rendell remain friends with mifsud?

 

[Vader]

Then ALi Fahour retweeted this:

Karl Jackson ‏ @k_jacko
Matt Rendell digging a deep hole. "They" "Their" "Aboriginal Life" Good model is to get them to leave home at 14. No, not racist at all...

Interesting.. gives legs to my comment earlier about his whole academy proposal being fundamentally racist and similar in concept to the whole "Stolen Generations" issue.

 

[mulz]

seems like ali fahour weilds a pretty big axe at the afl due to his brothers connections.

 

[ruscy002]

Interesting.. gives legs to my comment earlier about his whole academy proposal being fundamentally racist and similar in concept to the whole "Stolen Generations" issue.

Stop peddling this stupid ****ing idea. Stolen generation = no choice in the matter. Academy proposal = choice, and privilege/advantage.

 

[Dandy_GO]

Interesting.. gives legs to my comment earlier about his whole academy proposal being fundamentally racist and similar in concept to the whole "Stolen Generations" issue.

That's a flawed analogy, and you're smart enough to know why, but I must admit I was quite uncomfortable with Rendell's solutioneering, and his wording of it. It made it much easier to see how he's managed to get himself into this situation.

 

[Vader]

We'd love to understand, but, at this point, only one person seems to have made an attempt to help us do that, and it certainly isn't Misfud.
Everyone else is just doing their darndest to cover it up.

I'm not convinced that anyone has told us the whole truth so far, including Rendell. We're getting bits & pieces from here & there, all of them with the "truth as they saw it", but so far there is no one cohesive story - neither Rendell's, Trigg's, Vlad's or any of his minions.

I'm certain there's more to it than what Rendell told last night. I'm not saying Rendell is a liar - far from it. I believe he told the truth as he knew it, but maybe didn't tell the whole story (I'm certain there was more to the discussion than what has been made public). I'm also certain that there's a larger picture of which he is unaware.

 

[Dandy_GO]

I'm not convinced that anyone has told us the whole truth so far, including Rendell. We're getting bits & pieces from here & there, all of them with the "truth as they saw it", but so far there is no one cohesive story - neither Rendell's, Trigg's, Vlad's or any of his minions.

I'm certain there's more to it than what Rendell told last night. I'm not saying Rendell is a liar - far from it. I believe he told the truth as he knew it, but maybe didn't tell the whole story (I'm certain there was more to the discussion than what has been made public). I'm also certain that there's a larger picture of which he is unaware.

Sure, but at least he's offered context. We've just had a horrible soundbite come out of Misfud, and then nothing. Meanwhile, Vlad and Trig point fingers based on this soundbite, but do nothing at all to back it up, besides mysteriously claiming "there's more to the story."

 

[anthc]

Interesting.. gives legs to my comment earlier about his whole academy proposal being fundamentally racist and similar in concept to the whole "Stolen Generations" issue.

You do realise that the premise of the idea is to better integrate them into the afl system so they can have sucess in the long run with what they ARE talented at! Stolen generation....your a joke!

 

[King Elvis]

I am speculating here, but I wonder if Trigg was so disinclined to go into bat for Rendell, because Matt did, indeed, deliberately include our club in that infamous quotation. Even if he was talking in hypotheticals, he chose to include Adelaide because he might actually believe we'd adopt a policy like that in the future.
If Rendell is to be believed on how we handled Milera, then it certainly seems like we don't have a lot of patience with young aboriginal footballers who are struggling to make the transition. Can anyone really see us picking up a bloke like Jurrah? We rarely ever take risks like that. We've made it known that we prefer squeaky clean academic types. Maybe Rendell would like us to be more open to drafting aboriginal players from rural areas, but the club has been against the idea, and took Rendell's comments as an attack on them. Rendell certainly seems as if he's been dissatisfied at our club for a while now - perhaps this was why.
Just a thought.

Milera quit mate, we didn't sack him.

Stiffy has had numerous issues, we've stuck by him every time - like we should.

 

[Vader]

That's a flawed analogy, and you're smart enough to know why, but I must admit I was quite uncomfortable with Rendell's solutioneering, and his wording of it. It made it much easier to see how he's managed to get himself into this situation.

Flawed analogy, yes, but the fundamental thought process behind it is very, very similar.

The thought process behind the (alleged) Stolen Generations is that the aboriginal kids needed to be taken away from their parents and cared for by white people, in order become valued members of society.

The though process behind Rendell's academy is that the aboriginal kids need to be taken away from their parents and cared for by white people in order to be able to contribute to the AFL.

Agreed, the Stolen Generations were (allegedly) taken without permission, while attendees at Rendell's academies would not be. But the fundamental thinking behind their entire existence is the issue here, not permission or the lack of it.

 

[FR0GGY]

Even if he was talking in hypotheticals, he chose to include Adelaide because he might actually believe we'd adopt a policy like that in the future.
If Rendell is to be believed on how we handled Milera, then it certainly seems like we don't have a lot of patience with young aboriginal footballers who are struggling to make the transition. Can anyone really see us picking up a bloke like Jurrah? We rarely ever take risks like that. We've made it known that we prefer squeaky clean academic types.
Just a thought.

Nah of course we would welcome them. Do you think they are likely to get up on a table in only boxers?

 

[Wood_Duck]

Our friend ClayMonk said this the other night. I told him he was making it up.


"I don't know that it was the AFL that did the executing. Rendell has been unprofessional on many occasions and whilst we enjoy his "straight talk", it is not usualy a good thing for the club. I think Trigg was sick of him blabbing to be honest, and I wouldn't blame him if this was the straw that broke the camels back"

ClayMonk, would you like to expand on this because you may have actually had a point.

 

[Vader]

You do realise that the premise of the idea is to better integrate them into the afl system so they can have sucess in the long run with what they ARE talented at! Stolen generation....your a joke!

As distinct from the stolen generation, the premise of which was to better integrate them into white society so that they could have success in the long run and have lives of value?

The language is so transparently similar that the ideas are almost identical. One is fundamentally racist - how can the other one not be?

 

[mulz]

Interesting.. gives legs to my comment earlier about his whole academy proposal being fundamentally racist and similar in concept to the whole "Stolen Generations" issue.

spare me, i think a lot of aboriginal parents as with parents of all races would love to have their kids to get the chance of a scholarship in a well respected school. My mum hoped i would get one as a young fella as we were quite a poor family and she wanted the best possible education possible for me, this didnt eventuate but please dont relate this too the stolen generation.

 

[Vader]

Sure, but at least he's offered context. We've just had a horrible soundbite come out of Misfud, and then nothing. Meanwhile, Vlad and Trig point fingers based on this soundbite, but do nothing at all to back it up, besides mysteriously claiming "there's more to the story."

We definitely need to hear more from Misfud and Ali Fahour, neither of whom have said anything in public at all. We've heard directly contrasting quotes from them by Thomas & Trigg, so what is their side of the story? It's fairly obvious from Fahour's twitters what his opinion of the matter is - and he's clearly not a Rendell fan.

My gut feel is that Rendell has only told us 70% of the story.. and the remaining 30% may well hold the key to this whole mess.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Interesting.. gives legs to my comment earlier about his whole academy proposal being fundamentally racist and similar in concept to the whole "Stolen Generations" issue.

If he wasn't to call them, a community that he isn't a part of, "them" or "their", what is he supposed to call them? This is political correctness going to ridiculous extremes. Racism is only racism if there is hatred or an intent to hurt behind it. Not if you simply refer to a community that you don't feel a part of by the word "them". They call themselves "we", or "brothers", etc. does that make them racist?

As for you suggesting that the idea that they get scholarships to go to schools in the big cities at 14 (like Cyril Rioli did, which he thinks helped him so much) is "racist", is also ridiculous. No one would be taking them against their will. It is just a suggestion to help those who WANT TO to have a better chance of making it in the AFL, IF THEY WANT TO. That is an opportunity that many would love to have. It's not being "racist".

As distinct from the stolen generation, the premise of which was to better integrate them into white society so that they could have success in the long run and have lives of value?

The language is so transparently similar that the ideas are almost identical. One is fundamentally racist - how can the other one not be?

That's pretty bloody easy to answer. One group were taken AGAINST THEIR WILL. The other are getting an opportunity that they are completely free to knock back, or turn their back on, at any time. That is one of the biggest differences you could possibly imagine. It's like the difference between rape and consentual sex. Taken without context they look remarkably similar, but put in their full context there is a massive difference, as most would acknowledge.

If that is racism, so is sending money to "3rd world countries" (that you wouldn't send to wealthier countries) to help them out.

 

[Mattrox]

I actually think that there is creedance to Vader's theory. Ali didn't listen to the proposal and intention properly. He just saw an Aussie in his mind saying 'We need to take them away from their communities' instead of 'We need to give thespre kids every chance of success' He got offended and stopped listening and was out for blood.

 

[Vader]

spare me, i think a lot of aboriginal parents as with parents of all races would love to have their kids to get the chance of a scholarship in a well respected school. My mum hoped i would get one as a young fella as we were quite a poor family and she wanted the best possible education possible for me, this didnt eventuate but please dont relate this too the stolen generation.

Denial is not a river in Egypt. Just because you don't like the message I have, does not mean that I'm not getting close to the truth. It certainly sounds like it, based on Fahour's comments.

*** Note that we've yet to hear from Misfud - and we haven't even heard what supposedly offended Vlad so much that he formed a one-man lynch mob.

 

[King Elvis]

Could Mifsud have told Trigg he was offended? Is that why he might have thought that?

Thomas is mates with Misfud - he said Misfud laughed it off to him.

 

[anthc]

As distinct from the stolen generation, the premise of which was to better integrate them into white society so that they could have success in the long run and have lives of value?

The language is so transparently similar that the ideas are almost identical. One is fundamentally racist - how can the other one not be?

Umm no...Stolen generation children were removed forcibly under acts of parliament, big difference to "wanna go to the city and play footy son"...son says no, parents say ok then its called a CHOICE!

 

[Cap]

I feel the urge to offically complain about Ali and his twittering.

surely the AFL needs to take action against a guy clearly out to inflame

 

[amer]

I feel the urge to offically complain about Ali and his twittering.

surely the AFL needs to take action against a guy clearly out to inflame

Do it mate. Guy's a ****ing clown.