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Matthew Lloyd, is he overly negative?

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This is an open question and not a direct criticism of Matthew Lloyd who is a highly decorated champion of the game with a premiership medal, 5 x All Australian, 3 x Coleman Medals to name some of his achievements. But does anyone share my opinion that he seems to take a negative view or puts a negative spin on nearly all of his football media commentary?

Lloyd seems to target negative aspects of the game or pick out teams or individual players who are going through form slumps. He doesn't pull any punches either, he will point fingers and name names when stating why a certain team isn't up to the standard of the better teams in the competition.

A lot of his neutral articles have been on Essendon's trials and tribulations over the past few years and he also writes a lot about the role of key forwards, which only seems fair based on his playing career.

Melbourne seem to cop the brunt of his criticism and some of his articles over the 2015/2016 seasons include:

Melbourne a team in need of a heart: "Melbourne have not won two home and away games in a row for almost five years, Yes, that's right, five years. It's a sad statistic."

Melbourne Demons coach Paul Roos out of form and running out of time: "Paul Roos has had a horror fortnight as coach of the Melbourne Football Club."

Paul Roos must now take Melbourne to the next level: "Melbourne's long-term future rests solely in the hands of senior coach Paul Roos."

He seems very harsh for a recently retired player. At times it's almost as if he expects every player to play a better game than the week before for their entire career. The other thing I have noticed in his spoken/live media he really tries to be positive, but a positive comment will be phrased as "This is the sort of stuff that Player X needs to be doing week in week out." A backhanded compliment of sorts.

Damien Barrett is the only one who easily surpasses him in bringing down my mood each time I hear him speak or read something he has written. But Barrett should not be the benchmark as Barrett is widely regarded as a gutter journalist.

Even the fans that perhaps take their footy a bit too seriously would agree that as a spectator footy is meant to be a leisure activity. I want footy to be an outlet where I can feel good about something just for a moment, or a weekend, or even an entire season. There is a reason why the supporters from clubs that disappoint year after year still get excited about a new season, the fans are looking for something to give them a bit of hope and joy. I think there is an opportunity for the footy media to exploit this or at least take advantage of what the public want to read about. Even another article on how Nick Smith is the game's most underrated player is more captivating than reading about another form slump from Travis Cloke.

Compare Matthew Lloyd to Robbo. Lloyd is smarter, more in touch with the game, more articulate in that he can actually put together a sentence. Robbo's opinion pieces are often showering praise on A-Graders time after time, in awe of their talent. For this (along with his obvious "common man" appearance and persona) he is viewed as a much loved "man of the people" by many.

Is my perception of Lloyd accurate or have I misunderstood his intent?

If you agree that he can be overly critical or negative, do you think this is his natural character or is he possibly influenced or guided by the frowning Caroline Wilson, the chief football writer at The Age?
 
fair points. Clearly knows his footy very well and does speak about it very well but falls into that combination of robert walls and malcolm blight - both seem thoroughly irritated with the modern game, as opposed to their eras, and it manifests into how they analyse it.
 
In his early years, he was dismissed as a lightweight powder puff who would never venture a real opinion on anything.

I've always just assumed his "this is my serious face...I am being really serious here" attitude was simply a reaction to that.
 

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I see what you're saying-to me its been fairly clear since he started in the media that he thinks (and is probably somewhat correct) that you need to have very "strong opinions" in order to be heard and respected- and I think sometimes he gets stuck on that too much- it is much easier to have a strong negative opinion than a positive one.
 
fair points. Clearly knows his footy very well and does speak about it very well but falls into that combination of robert walls and malcolm blight - both seem thoroughly irritated with the modern game, as opposed to their eras, and it manifests into how they analyse it.

I think it's refreshing from time to time to have someone in the media who isn't a constant cheer leader with "the game has never been better" attitudes. There are plenty of areas in which the game could improve, and if that's what Lloyd is doing, then more power to him.
 
The general consensus appears to be that he is overly negative.

I think it's refreshing from time to time to have someone in the media who isn't a constant cheer leader with "the game has never been better" attitudes. There are plenty of areas in which the game could improve, and if that's what Lloyd is doing, then more power to him.

I am talking about articles directed at the performance of teams and individual players, not the game itself. Lloyd might have written articles on the broader game but I haven't seen any recently. Articles on Hawthorn are going to be full of praise and when you read about how good they are you will get a little release of dopamine to the receptors in the brain, you will feel good and excited about watching them next.

After taking aim at Melbourne on 9th April, he had a chance to write a positive article on them after their performance last week. Instead he took the went with the article on Collingwood... Just the sort of low hanging fruit he loves to gobble up and again he makes no less than 4 references to himself as a player.

Magpies players must take responsibility
"Collingwood is on a hiding to nothing in Monday's Anzac Day clash against Essendon. If they win, I expect the general response to be, "so they should". If they lose, it will be a disaster for the club and Nathan Buckley. The repercussions could be massive."

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/magpies-players-must-take-responsibility-20160422-goclo4

"So they should" is typical of his response, not mine. If they win by 80 points it could be the spark Collingwood need to get their confidence up and start playing with a bit more gusto. I hope the pies win by 100.
 
I see what you're saying-to me its been fairly clear since he started in the media that he thinks (and is probably somewhat correct) that you need to have very "strong opinions" in order to be heard and respected- and I think sometimes he gets stuck on that too much- it is much easier to have a strong negative opinion than a positive one.

That's exactly right.

Personally I don't mind David King. I know he is a bit of a parody of himself but the thing I like about him puts himself out there when it comes to making predictions. I'll admit he gets it wrong more often than not, but only because he makes bold predictions, but of course he makes bold predictions... because they are more interesting! It's much more interesting to read what will happen, because it captures your imagination and sense of excitement for the game or season ahead.

From the Lloyd article on Collingwood, this particular paragraph is the dullest piece of expert analysis.

"The Pies are now ranked 17th for overall clearances and 18th for scores from clearances. They are also ranked 15th for kicking efficiency. With numbers like that, they need their skipper and general in the centre of the ground and not in the defensive 50 where he is spending most of his time chasing an opponent."


I mean really... just have a read the article, it's such a bog standard piece of writing about how poorly a team is traveling.
 
10 minutes into the third quarter of the 2008 GF Lloyd says Hawthorn are out on our feet and gone.
We then slam on about 5-7 goals that quarter and win by just under 5 goals.
I was at the game and sensed we were about to do that. From that point on I've never really listened to him. Like David King who said Sydney would win the 2014 GF by 64 points... Derp
 
He just has that look and smirk when the camera is on him, "I'm M. lloyd, I used to throw grass up in the air inside a sealed building too see which way the wind blows. No one is going to ever be as good as me ever" he is very negative constantly
 
I think he is a bit negative, but he is one of the better media guys going around overall.
To me, it's his voice (not that he can help it) that holds him back, rather than what he is saying which is a fair bit more intelligent than blokes like Mooney.
I'm sure Mooney is actually related to a flounder
 
Given one team can only win the premiership it is fairly natural that when he takes a critical eye at most teams, some people will think he is overly negative.
He is just seeing faults and pointing them out. The reality is most teams are ordinary and easy for him to identify where their weaknesses are as someone that both thinks and knows what makes good teams tick and what also brings team undone.

I actually prefer that style more than the Luke Darcy type where he carries on as if 80% of AFL players are a star and he has 9 or 10 teams in the year he falls in love with and makes out there are multiple premiership teams. Different people like different things. I like the more insightful types like Lloydy now, plus Walls in the past. Gary Lyon I also liked but for obvious reasons he is no longer around this year. I learn nothing by listening to types like Luke Darcy but I sometimes gain an interesting insight of an elite players perspective when I listen to Lloyd. It does make a difference when a person has lived and been involved in a premiership outfit.

Darcy is in his element with Dancing Dogs.
Lloydy is in his element giving strong, thoughtful and insightful opinions on teams, players and the game.
Not every players is a star and every team a premiership outfit. Lloyd calls it like it is from what I notice.
He is not always going to be right though but I still respect that most opinions he gives are more often than not have some thought put into them rather than a throw away line.
 

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one thing you can be sure of is that it's not his 'natural character', are they all not playing roles? i've always seen him as bad actor, he can't keep a straight face and therefore i usually can't take him as seriously as someone who wasn't, you know, awkwardly grinning through what he's saying. i can't believe he still does that, it's been years since he started on TV.
 

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