Matthew White

[TOOs_Finest]

Not sure if you are serious?? That's the worst call I have ever heard..
Conca has played one season and he's already a better player than white and has footy smarts something white at best has very little of..

White will play a role this year I suspect, but will be surprised if he plays more than eight or so games. Will be interesting to see if they play him round one simply to try and emulate last year's effort on Yarran. For the record, injury aside, will be surprised if Conca plays less than twenty.

 

[rammbo]

The portions highlighted were included for a reason .

fair call roar

 

[santa claws]

i think people should acknowledge the simple fact that every single player who makes it to an afl list has talent and in most cases some good attributes at least.

we have struggled for so long not because we have drafted talentless players, no we have drafted far too many who have too many deficiencies to go with the good ones.

we have also struggled for so long because we have regularly failed to turn over these glass half full types quickly enough. the list is endless.

white is a a small player who lacks the requisite skills for a small player.
one who doesnt have the smarts to find the ball, and turns it over either by foot or poor decision making.
6 yrs of mostly this type of stuff with just enough decent roles games thrown in to keep the masses happy. sound familiar.

if i was a recruiter i would not touch him with a barge pole because he just doesnt tick enough boxes. so why hang onto a bloke for 6yrs who not only fails to tick the neccesary boxes but has in the main grossly underperformed weather it be afl or vfl.

as stated above if you play em enough even the worst players will have the odd good game. seems for some of us and the club the odd good game is good enough and all else goes out the window.

should not have been delisted this yr. nope it should have happened 3 seasons ago when it was patently obvious he would continue to struggle because of the many flaws in his game.

i have no doubt he will play the odd good game or perform the odd good role and for some of us will be that will be good enough .

 

[Morro]

i think people should acknowledge the simple fact that every single player who makes it to an afl list has talent and in most cases some good attributes at least.

we have struggled for so long not because we have drafted talentless players, no we have drafted far too many who have too many deficiencies to go with the good ones.

we have also struggled for so long because we have regularly failed to turn over these glass half full types quickly enough. the list is endless.

white is a a small player who lacks the requisite skills for a small player.
one who doesnt have the smarts to find the ball, and turns it over either by foot or poor decision making.
6 yrs of mostly this type of stuff with just enough decent roles games thrown in to keep the masses happy. sound familiar.

if i was a recruiter i would not touch him with a barge pole because he just doesnt tick enough boxes. so why hang onto a bloke for 6yrs who not only fails to tick the neccesary boxes but has in the main grossly underperformed weather it be afl or vfl.

as stated above if you play em enough even the worst players will have the odd good game. seems for some of us and the club the odd good game is good enough and all else goes out the window.

should not have been delisted this yr. nope it should have happened 3 seasons ago when it was patently obvious he would continue to struggle because of the many flaws in his game.

i have no doubt he will play the odd good game or perform the odd good role and for some of us will be that will be good enough .

I see what you are saying Santa, but I just feel your view on this is too simplistic.

Many flawed players have forged fine careers since the beginning of time. A team consists of 22 players all with various roles to play. I am not saying White is a gun by any means, but maybe the coaching staff see him being able to play a role within the team based on his talent/strengths. Even the very elite have flaws and it just seems you are always looking for the perfect player. Bad news mate, they dont exist.

You were probably on the delist King bandwagon 2 years ago? Heck you probably still are. Now here we have a limited footballer, not too disimilar to White in many ways who is performing his role most weeks at a good to very good level.

Footy just isnt as simple as tick tick tick.

 

[peejay]

i think people should acknowledge the simple fact that every single player who makes it to an afl list has talent and in most cases some good attributes at least.

we have struggled for so long not because we have drafted talentless players, no we have drafted far too many who have too many deficiencies to go with the good ones.

we have also struggled for so long because we have regularly failed to turn over these glass half full types quickly enough. the list is endless.

white is a a small player who lacks the requisite skills for a small player.
one who doesnt have the smarts to find the ball, and turns it over either by foot or poor decision making.
6 yrs of mostly this type of stuff with just enough decent roles games thrown in to keep the masses happy. sound familiar.

if i was a recruiter i would not touch him with a barge pole because he just doesnt tick enough boxes. so why hang onto a bloke for 6yrs who not only fails to tick the neccesary boxes but has in the main grossly underperformed weather it be afl or vfl.

as stated above if you play em enough even the worst players will have the odd good game. seems for some of us and the club the odd good game is good enough and all else goes out the window.

should not have been delisted this yr. nope it should have happened 3 seasons ago when it was patently obvious he would continue to struggle because of the many flaws in his game.

i have no doubt he will play the odd good game or perform the odd good role and for some of us will be that will be good enough .

Your posts are always so well thought out - that is why i love reading them !

 

[Goldust]

I see what you are saying Santa, but I just feel your view on this is too simplistic.

Many flawed players have forged fine careers since the beginning of time. A team consists of 22 players all with various roles to play. I am not saying White is a gun by any means, but maybe the coaching staff see him being able to play a role within the team based on his talent/strengths. Even the very elite have flaws and it just seems you are always looking for the perfect player. Bad news mate, they dont exist.

You were probably on the delist King bandwagon 2 years ago? Heck you probably still are. Now here we have a limited footballer, not too disimilar to White in many ways who is performing his role most weeks at a good to very good level.

Footy just isnt as simple as tick tick tick.

Exactly ... and an excellent post.
White plays a role within the team suited to his strengths, including pace, and I would argue he is a good contributor.
Clubs are littered with players that other club fans and even some oft hem own don't rate but they are effective.
A good comparison if anyone remembers him I think was John Howat back in the mid-90s.
Howat hardly set the world on fire at Melbourne and I raise an eyebrow when he came to Richmond as I didn't rate him. Despite that, you could argue he was a pretty importabt payer in our 95 finals year and looked very good in what was a surprisingly good defence!! Not a star but soild.

 

[Runandhyde]

Depth player. If he was going to make it as a tagger he should have been played in that capity all year last year in the guts. Not just little stints on HBF'er with temrapent problems.
Whitey just doesn't have what it takes to make at AFL level. Think he is a level above VFL, but not good enoug for the big time.

 

[santa claws]

I see what you are saying Santa, but I just feel your view on this is too simplistic.

Many flawed players have forged fine careers since the beginning of time. A team consists of 22 players all with various roles to play. I am not saying White is a gun by any means, but maybe the coaching staff see him being able to play a role within the team based on his talent/strengths. Even the very elite have flaws and it just seems you are always looking for the perfect player. Bad news mate, they dont exist.

You were probably on the delist King bandwagon 2 years ago? Heck you probably still are. Now here we have a limited footballer, not too disimilar to White in many ways who is performing his role most weeks at a good to very good level.

Footy just isnt as simple as tick tick tick.

very typical of the defenders all thing mediocre at richmond. no where have i said we need to have 30 odd players who are perfect. what i have said is you need 30 odd who are at least up to afl standard including the role players in the role they consistently do.

as far as attributes go, performance goes, and consistently performing to at least afl standard or performing the role given well im sorry bud white has failed abysmally.his record speaks for itself arecord that spans 6 yrs.

you mention jake king another role player who is limited and very inconsistent.
we ask him to play as a defensive forward. hang on we do the same with white. how many do we need.
thing is king at the least kicks a few goals he is not so one dimensional.yes hes performing a role to an acceptable level fairly regularly, but you cant say the same for white in fact the opposite.

surely we are aiming for better than both. not asking for much just c thru a grade players. that is a few elite, a few very good with the majority being good consistent players who are not limited in the role they do.
players who have at the least sound basic skills and are capable of not just performing a role but be part of rotations, surely we are aiming for this type over your kings and whites.what do we aim for limited players or look for more well rounded players who arent so limited to take over.

you want a role player well id take clint jones over both white and king or jackson tuck anyday.
not just an effective run with shut down player a role that most want for white with his limitations , nope jones is an inside ball winning option. he not only shuts down his opponent he wins plenty of his own ball. will sacrifice his game if need be, tackles his arse of and most importantly while a very limited kick of the ball he compensates by kicking within his limitations. mainly hand balling as an option and most times makes the right decision. his input and consistency for what i would term a c grade player shits all over any of those mentioned.

finally yes there are limited players like jones in every team. yes limited players do perform specific roles but the vast majority of limited players do not last long.
if white had performed at the least up to afl standard consistently over the course of his career i might find it difficult to have this debate. the simple fact is he hasnt. sometimes things eally are black and white.

 

[Morro]

Santa have you ever played aussie rules?



To suggest King isnt good enough in the role he plays really highlights your unrealistic expectations.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Another thing not being taken in to account when bagging all players Richmond, is that there have been many deficiencies around the club for a long time. It's not as simple as us having drafted nine duds for every decent player. Things like team dynamic, coaching and development, leadership nurturing have all been almost non existent since Northey left. Players just do not flourish in that type of environment.

I'm not here to say White will continue to be even a top 30 player moving forward, I don't really know. I see some good attributes, but they just don't get exercised regularly enough in a game. But I won't underestimate the ability of the current regime to turn that around.

Morro is spot on, it's not just a case of ticking boxes to determine if a player can survive at AFL level or not. So many other variables.

 

[El Tigre]

Things whether to determine whether a marginal player that has been in the system for around 6 years deserves more time
1) Are they 200cm+
2) Have they had long rong of injuries that can is expected to be overcome
3) Has there been significant personal issues which are expected to be overcome
4) Is there a new position for them to play
5) Is there a game plan change that will suit them better
6) Is there expected to be a coach change that may draw something out from the player that hasn't been able to be drawn out

Theres probably a few more.
As much as Whitey is a Tigers man, i don't see him anything but having no for the answers.
Re King. I was on the delist bandwagon, but a change of Coach and a change of Position has given him a new life. Even he admits that he is very lucky to play with the skills he has. He can find the goal.
Edwards is another that i put in the White category.
Nahas has survived (temporarily) by having required to move out from being just a small forward.

 

[CallMeAl]

Another thing not being taken in to account when bagging all players Richmond, is that there have been many deficiencies around the club for a long time. It's not as simple as us having drafted nine duds for every decent player. Things like team dynamic, coaching and development, leadership nurturing have all been almost non existent since Northey left. Players just do not flourish in that type of environment.

This is so true. I'm prepared to cut players a bit of slack fro their performances pre 2010. For 10 years it seemed to be a case of throw 22 blokes on the ground and hope their natural ability will get you were you want to go.

A recipe for disaster, as we have seen.

 

[santa claws]

based on strengths and weakness, based on performance and consistency, based on age and time in the system.
i believe i have given a pretty fair appraisal of matt white.
an appraisal that is not simplistic but obvious to anyone who can be unbiased about our players.
without being in the inner sanctum what else is there to judge him on other than his

1/ strengths and weakness
2/ performances
3/ consistency
4/ age and time in system
5/ likely upside.

1/ he has too many deficiencys in critical areas for a small that are not offset by his few strengths.
2/ performances. have largely been ordinary. yes he has played some good games for the club but few and far between.
3/ consistency well what consistency.the gap between good and bad remains as large as the day he first came to the club.
4/ age and time in system. bloody hell hes had 6 yrs with little improvement each yr. he will be 25 in april and played just 82 mostly ordinary games.
5/ upside. what upside? at his age he is highly unlikely to overcome the weaknesses in his game.
hes already had 6 yrs to fix them what makes anyone think he will suddenly overcome them after 6 yrs.
simply put he has too few of the tools that will enable him to become a good consistent afl player.this has been borne out over a 6 yr period.

on jake king a topic where im accused of knowing nothing because just maybe i havent played the game at all or had nothing to do with it.

tell me please why you think king is not a limited player. which is baically all i have said and as such surely we should be aiming for better. this is actually we we need to improve to move forward as a team. yep kingy performs a role atm but we have to do better.
yep i even said myself he performed a role to an accptable standard this yr in the main. should that exclude us from firstly acknowledging he is limited and secondly asking perhaps we should over the next few yrs be aiming for a more rounded long term solution.
yes i regularly picked him in our best 22 mainly because we had no one else who could perform his role as well, not because king was outstanding at it.
again he performed his role to an acceptable level this yr but we can and should do better.

finally the way ALL players are defended by some on here, you would think we had won the premiership.
i have to ask where did we finish again. oh and i can hear it now with a bit of luck we may have made the 8. well there is a flip side to that.
if other sides had a bit of good fortune we may have finished bottom 2. we didnt fail to make the 8 because of our kids we failed because too many of our seniors are to put it bluntly very average at best.

surely people actually realise its the 23 and overs who are our problem in the main. those same 23 and overs who have failed over many yrs because they either become soley role players or fail to overcome the weaknesses in their games that suggested they should never have been drafted in the first place.

 

[CallMeAl]

Craw, while all players will be defended by someone, i don't think any one person will defend them all.

It's just that everyone has different opinions and if you put enough people together chances are you will find that each player will have their defenders.

so collectively it seems that every player will be defended, but's thats just down to simple mathematics and odds.

each and every team board would be the same. (except perhaps those with not enough supporters, such as GC GWS and North)

 

[folester41]

i actually think matty might stick around for a while and be in that 25, but not quite best 21/22 but always stand up when called upon, and will look better in a good side, if and when we can reach top 4 level

 

[Morro]

Santa Flaws I cant be bothered answering your entire essay so if I miss something you deem important feel free to let me know.

Firstly, I asked your history and footy education as you come across like someone who has never played the game, much like the people I encounter since moving to QLD.

On White, maybe he is saved by the new coach, fresh start idea or maybe we cant upgrade everyone in 1 year, 2 years or even 3-5 years, it is just unrealistic, what I do know though, is it is not so black and white to say a small gets "X" amount of years, simply put, individuals develop at different rates, and under Dimma we are atleast seeing a consisitent level of development, finally! White might explode when he is 25-26 and take over Kings role, and in the mean time play cameos when required, that is called realistic depth. Personally I think White still has upside.

I think the Pies McCarthy is a good example of depth, not required at the pies, not wanted by many clubs but was probably the pies 23rd-28th best player(just guessing, but you get the point) and a flawed player to boot.

RE: King - I actually stated King is a limited player so we agree on that, you state we must upgrade him to be succesful which is crap. There is a reason he was mentioned in the same breathe as the All Aus side early in the year. As a defensive fwd he is very good and would play in alot of other sides IMO.

Regarding the rest of your forced opinions I will let them go because I will either be edited or wasting my time on you.

You preach to all and sundry that we accept mediocrity, which is your opinion as we dont share your negativity, well maybe its time you accepted that your expectations are unrealistic. A full list, whether it be Geelong to GWS will be peppered with limited and flawed players. It's called reality, feel free to join us there sometime.

I am sure you couldn't careless for my responses and I too have grown tired of debating the same crap with you that has been done to death so i will leave it here. I might even poke myself in the eye a few times just so dont miss the feeling of reading the same negativity from you day in day out and on every topic

 

[santa claws]

Santa Flaws I cant be bothered answering your entire essay so if I miss something you deem important feel free to let me know.

Firstly, I asked your history and footy education as you come across like someone who has never played the game, much like the people I encounter since moving to QLD.

On White, maybe he is saved by the new coach, fresh start idea or maybe we cant upgrade everyone in 1 year, 2 years or even 3-5 years, it is just unrealistic, what I do know though, is it is not so black and white to say a small gets "X" amount of years, simply put, individuals develop at different rates, and under Dimma we are atleast seeing a consisitent level of development, finally! White might explode when he is 25-26 and take over Kings role, and in the mean time play cameos when required, that is called realistic depth. Personally I think White still has upside.

I think the Pies McCarthy is a good example of depth, not required at the pies, not wanted by many clubs but was probably the pies 23rd-28th best player(just guessing, but you get the point) and a flawed player to boot.

RE: King - I actually stated King is a limited player so we agree on that, you state we must upgrade him to be succesful which is crap. There is a reason he was mentioned in the same breathe as the All Aus side early in the year. As a defensive fwd he is very good and would play in alot of other sides IMO.

Regarding the rest of your forced opinions I will let them go because I will either be edited or wasting my time on you.

You preach to all and sundry that we accept mediocrity, which is your opinion as we dont share your negativity, well maybe its time you accepted that your expectations are unrealistic. A full list, whether it be Geelong to GWS will be peppered with limited and flawed players. It's called reality, feel free to join us there sometime.

I am sure you couldn't careless for my responses and I too have grown tired of debating the same crap with you that has been done to death so i will leave it here. I might even poke myself in the eye a few times just so dont miss the feeling of reading the same negativity from you day in day out and on every topic

Lol we most certainly agree to disagree on most things.

I gave my history but it too was deleted along with some other stuff.

What a piss weak way to have a debate.You have not once stated why we should keep White. No mention of REALISTIC things like strengths/weaknesses, performance, consistency, age/experience potential upside and why. Nope you would rather just play the man. I mention all these things and im the unrealistic one.lol

Just for the record i think you totally unrealistic in your comments but manage to refrain from voicing that opinion UNTIL NOW as it wears a bit thin when constantly thrown in ones face.
Yep what a piiss weak way to have a debate attack the poster but dont address the points.

Your very good at putting words in peoples mouth.Dont complain when i do the same, im good at returning fire when this happens.

Where did i say anywhere on this site that you can turn your list over in one or two yrs.
Where did i say that certain player types only get x amount of yrs. Typical twisting of words by you and others.

I have said as a loose guide players should click by certain times, but all factors have to be pencilled in.Its not written in stone.

So its now unrealistic to have a loose guide on when players should step up. I mean to say it is just plain old common sense that most smalls will take less time than mediums and smalls and mediums will take less time than talls. nope thats being unrealistic is it.

On White hes had 6 yrs of ordinariness and is in his third yr under hardwick. Hardly unrealistic and hardly a fresh start nope im not the one being unrealistic here.
So what are you saying' its unrealistic to turn an underperforming player over after 6yrs you should hear yourself its pathetic.

Some things are black and white. I dont know what you judge players on but ive explained what i judge em on. There isnt much more to take into consideration.
if there is perhaps you can actually enlighten us all.

I suppose strengths and weakness are not important, or things like performance and consitency are not important, or time in the system and the age of a player are not important, or a players potential upside is not important.
Nope if we take these things into consideration its unrealistic lol.
What do you rate our players on that is so much more realistic than others on here.
We are talking M White here you defend him based on what oh thats right hes got a fresh start under Hardwick.IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE if so please let us all in on it. How many yrs has he had under Hardwick whats that two i hear you say. hardly a fresh start now is it i wonder who is actually being unrealistic here

On mccarthy sheesh thought he was forced out because of salary cap restrictions. Yep he struggled to get a game at collingwood he couldnt force out the likes of pendulbury swan thomas etc.These are players who actually won a flag.
Who does white have to force out again where have we constantly finished again. Hes been in compettition with those doyens of the game king hicks nahas nason and a bunch of unproven kids.

Mccarthy is very much in a make or break yr i would say hes got a fresh start geez that analogy fits better to Mccarthy than White.

RE King. You agree hes limited but apparently we cant do better now that is unrealistic and very negative.We cant do better than a lmited player do you actually realise how crazy that sounds.
King was not very good in 2011. he has performed at an acceptable level for one yr this yr.
Thats your problem all our players are unrealistically very good. The bar really is set very low in your case.

As for my so called forced opinions. Well thats exactly what they are opinions.
If you had your way they would not be allowed to be voiced because iyo they are too negative, and thats exactly what this is all about for you isnt it.

You think certain posters too negative so you do your best to silence them or belittle them.
Well your wrong there again. they arent negative at all just Realistic and common sense, somethings you seem to lack.

I'm sorry to have to inform you you do accept mediocrity its in every post you do.
Yep all clubs including geelong have flawed players but they only get a game if they perform to an accptable level and they certainly arent kept for 6yrs showing little. now thats reality.

Finally your right about one thing i couldnt give a fat rats arse about your responses. Regardless of your unrealistic and overly optimistic approach i will continue to post my views weather you like them or read them or not.

 

[theflea]

very typical of the defenders all thing mediocre at richmond. no where have i said we need to have 30 odd players who are perfect. what i have said is you need 30 odd who are at least up to afl standard including the role players in the role they consistently do.

as far as attributes go, performance goes, and consistently performing to at least afl standard or performing the role given well im sorry bud white has failed abysmally.his record speaks for itself arecord that spans 6 yrs.

you mention jake king another role player who is limited and very inconsistent.
we ask him to play as a defensive forward. hang on we do the same with white. how many do we need.
thing is king at the least kicks a few goals he is not so one dimensional.yes hes performing a role to an acceptable level fairly regularly, but you cant say the same for white in fact the opposite.

surely we are aiming for better than both. not asking for much just c thru a grade players. that is a few elite, a few very good with the majority being good consistent players who are not limited in the role they do.
players who have at the least sound basic skills and are capable of not just performing a role but be part of rotations, surely we are aiming for this type over your kings and whites.what do we aim for limited players or look for more well rounded players who arent so limited to take over.

you want a role player well id take clint jones over both white and king or jackson tuck anyday.
not just an effective run with shut down player a role that most want for white with his limitations , nope jones is an inside ball winning option. he not only shuts down his opponent he wins plenty of his own ball. will sacrifice his game if need be, tackles his arse of and most importantly while a very limited kick of the ball he compensates by kicking within his limitations. mainly hand balling as an option and most times makes the right decision. his input and consistency for what i would term a c grade player shits all over any of those mentioned.

finally yes there are limited players like jones in every team. yes limited players do perform specific roles but the vast majority of limited players do not last long.
if white had performed at the least up to afl standard consistently over the course of his career i might find it difficult to have this debate. the simple fact is he hasnt. sometimes things eally are black and white.

santa while i agree that king is limited i still think he is in the 'top 8 of defensive fwds' in the game so he does his job. secondly i think jones did well in the lyon style of game but will struggle in a more skilled type that the saints may be adopt, in fact i wouldnt be surprised if he went to freo in the future.

 

[Morro]

Well that was fun LOL, just to clarify, I have stated strengths and weaknesses in other posts, just dont feel the need to jam them down your throat in every post.

You also state almost daily that player "X" has had "X" amount of years which is all you allow for smalls etc so dont pick and chose when to stand by your opinion.

I actually think I post quite evenly and provide a balance between positive and negative. You sir are all negative. I vaguely remember you telling us all why Nahas would fail and ???(cant remember the small fwd rookie's name that could run a 100m in record time) would succeed. One of your constant knocks was Nahas was too small. The only consistency in your posting is negativity. You contradict yourself all the time.

The so called words I have put in your mouth are stright from the horses mouth over many months and you know it.

ps. You have brought me much joy and I hope we can be friends

 

[Dr Tigris]

Do we agree that Matty White is a limited player with a lot to do this year to secure his playing future beyond 2012??
Or whould we put our hands in our pockets and go deep into Western Sydney and find one of these elusive gunmen they seem to have in such abundance?

 

[rammbo]

Lol we most certainly agree to disagree on most things.

I gave my history but it too was deleted along with some other stuff.

What a piss weak way to have a debate.You have not once stated why we should keep White. No mention of REALISTIC things like strengths/weaknesses, performance, consistency, age/experience potential upside and why. Nope you would rather just play the man. I mention all these things and im the unrealistic one.lol

Just for the record i think you totally unrealistic in your comments but manage to refrain from voicing that opinion UNTIL NOW as it wears a bit thin when constantly thrown in ones face.
Yep what a piiss weak way to have a debate attack the poster but dont address the points.

Your very good at putting words in peoples mouth.Dont complain when i do the same, im good at returning fire when this happens.

Where did i say anywhere on this site that you can turn your list over in one or two yrs.
Where did i say that certain player types only get x amount of yrs. Typical twisting of words by you and others.

I have said as a loose guide players should click by certain times, but all factors have to be pencilled in.Its not written in stone.

So its now unrealistic to have a loose guide on when players should step up. I mean to say it is just plain old common sense that most smalls will take less time than mediums and smalls and mediums will take less time than talls. nope thats being unrealistic is it.

On White hes had 6 yrs of ordinariness and is in his third yr under hardwick. Hardly unrealistic and hardly a fresh start nope im not the one being unrealistic here.
So what are you saying' its unrealistic to turn an underperforming player over after 6yrs you should hear yourself its pathetic.

Some things are black and white. I dont know what you judge players on but ive explained what i judge em on. There isnt much more to take into consideration.
if there is perhaps you can actually enlighten us all.

I suppose strengths and weakness are not important, or things like performance and consitency are not important, or time in the system and the age of a player are not important, or a players potential upside is not important.
Nope if we take these things into consideration its unrealistic lol.
What do you rate our players on that is so much more realistic than others on here.
We are talking M White here you defend him based on what oh thats right hes got a fresh start under Hardwick.IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE if so please let us all in on it. How many yrs has he had under Hardwick whats that two i hear you say. hardly a fresh start now is it i wonder who is actually being unrealistic here

On mccarthy sheesh thought he was forced out because of salary cap restrictions. Yep he struggled to get a game at collingwood he couldnt force out the likes of pendulbury swan thomas etc.These are players who actually won a flag.
Who does white have to force out again where have we constantly finished again. Hes been in compettition with those doyens of the game king hicks nahas nason and a bunch of unproven kids.

Mccarthy is very much in a make or break yr i would say hes got a fresh start geez that analogy fits better to Mccarthy than White.

RE King. You agree hes limited but apparently we cant do better now that is unrealistic and very negative.We cant do better than a lmited player do you actually realise how crazy that sounds.
King was not very good in 2011. he has performed at an acceptable level for one yr this yr.
Thats your problem all our players are unrealistically very good. The bar really is set very low in your case.

As for my so called forced opinions. Well thats exactly what they are opinions.
If you had your way they would not be allowed to be voiced because iyo they are too negative, and thats exactly what this is all about for you isnt it.

You think certain posters too negative so you do your best to silence them or belittle them.
Well your wrong there again. they arent negative at all just Realistic and common sense, somethings you seem to lack.

I'm sorry to have to inform you you do accept mediocrity its in every post you do.
Yep all clubs including geelong have flawed players but they only get a game if they perform to an accptable level and they certainly arent kept for 6yrs showing little. now thats reality.

Finally your right about one thing i couldnt give a fat rats arse about your responses. Regardless of your unrealistic and overly optimistic approach i will continue to post my views weather you like them or read them or not.

Excellent response santa

 

[Morro]

Excellent response santa

Haha get a room!

 

[rammbo]

Haha get a room!

Any credability you did hav as a poster has been shot to pieces ,grow up you little weed.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Any credability you did hav as a poster has been shot to pieces ,grow up you little weed.

I think it was a joke mate

 

[Morro]

Any credability you did hav as a poster has been shot to pieces ,grow up you little weed.

Haha much like the joke at the end of my post to santa, it was a joke as stated by Dea Day. I dont take BF too seriously young fella and regardless of peoples opinions this is not personal, just a bit of fun.

I think its beautiful that you are flying the flag your mate, but I wouldn't let it get to you so much, you will age before your time.