Maynard cleared by tribunal for Brayshaw collision

What should happen with Maynard?

  • 1-2 match suspension for careless, med-high impact, high contact

    Votes: 247 27.9%
  • 3-4 match suspension for intentional, med-high impact, high contact

    Votes: 203 23.0%
  • 5+ match suspension, intentional or careless with severe impact, straight to tribunal

    Votes: 68 7.7%
  • Charges downgraded to a fine

    Votes: 52 5.9%
  • No charge/no penalty

    Votes: 314 35.5%

  • Total voters
    884
  • Poll closed .

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THE AFL has opted against appealing the Tribunal's decision in the Brayden Maynard case, meaning the Collingwood defender is in the clear to play in the Magpies' preliminary final.


The AFL, having brought the charge against Maynard, said on Wednesday that it would not challenge the Tribunal's ruling, but would comment further later in the day.

"The AFL has confirmed that after careful consideration and review of the Tribunal's decision and reasons following last night's hearing into the incident involving Collingwood's Brayden Maynard and Melbourne's Angus Brayshaw, the AFL has decided not to appeal the Tribunal's decision," a statement read.

"Per the Tribunal Guidelines the AFL had to make this decision by 12:00pm AEST today.

"The AFL will release a further statement later today."
Finally some sanity 👍
 

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owen87

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When you make contact with something you dont expect , do you just open yourself up or brace?

Maynard didnt expect that Brayshaw would keep running and veer off, he cant control his actions once in the air.

See this is where we disagree.

I think it was very reasonable to expect Maynard to assume Brayshaw would be in front of him, and the idea he can't control his actions once in the air (despite very clearly managing to rotate his body and drop his shoulder) is a bit of a furphy.
 

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See this is where we disagree.

I think it was very reasonable to expect Maynard to assume Brayshaw would be in front of him, and the idea he can't control his actions once in the air (despite very clearly managing to rotate his body and drop his shoulder) is a bit of a furphy.

Did you listen to the hearing yesterday and how long Maynard had to react?

At what point is Brayshaw responsible for his own safety also ? Or is that just not necessary?
 

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No.
Evidence from biomechanic & neurological sciences & experts in the field have decades of research into all sorts of physical movement. Those experts have a far better understanding of what is possible & not possible than any untrained person making their own opinion. The experience of one person carries little weight, if any.
The Biomechanist's opinion is based on his professional knowledge. The Tribunal took that into account as they are not expert in the fields of Human Movement or Neurophysiology.
End of story.
Move on.

Is an opinion, you're correct.

It's not the only opinion, it's not the one and only true answer.

You're free to leave the discussion though if you're so determined to call it a day and move on, no one is forcing you to be here?
 

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Did you listen to the hearing yesterday and how long Maynard had to react?

At what point is Brayshaw responsible for his own safety also ? Or is that just not necessary?

I did, and Maynard wasn't reacting to the sudden unforeseen appearance of Brayshaw. He was always there, he was always going to be in the vicinity of where he was, it's very misleading of the biomechanist to pretend otherwise. But it served the purpose for Collingwood's argument.

The onus is on a player committing an action e.g. tackling or bumping to protect the player they're committing that action against. So there's not really any relevant point in the second line of your comment, it's an obfuscation.
 

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Yes "bloke from the couch". You mean the guy who played almost 400 games and only retired last year.

Yes I'm sure he has no idea what he's talking about.
Please remind me from which university Doctor Mundy obtained his master’s in biomechanics?
 

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Hamish Brawshaw going to organise a sit down between Bruzzy and Angus to shake it out like he did when Gaff broke his little brothers jaw?
 

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All these comments about 'A win for football'... do they not see that it could very well be the case of winning the battle, losing the war?

I despair for those who can't see the writing on the wall. Or perhaps they don't mind if the game blows up in the next 10-20 years because of legal action, because they'll either be gone or close to it.
 

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No.
Evidence from biomechanic & neurological sciences & experts in the field have decades of research into all sorts of physical movement. Those experts have a far better understanding of what is possible & not possible than any untrained person making their own opinion. The experience of one person carries little weight, if any.
The Biomechanist's opinion is based on his professional knowledge. The Tribunal took that into account as they are not expert in the fields of Human Movement or Neurophysiology.
End of story.
Move on.

Lol yeah he definitely sounds like he know more about AFL than David Mundy:

Biomechanist Michael Cole certainly does not appear to be an expert in Aussie rules collisions, or indeed sports in general.

Assoc Prof at Australian Catholic Uinversity (ranked about 25th in Australia)
Areas of expertise: biomechanics; movement disorders; neuroscience; motor control; ageing

Assoc. Prof. Cole completed his PhD in 2009 and has since conducted a range of multi-disciplinary research projects that have aimed to evaluate; i) the relationship between postural instability, gait disability and falls in people with Parkinson’s disease; and ii) the safety and efficacy of invasive (e.g. DBS) and non-invasive (e.g. exercise) therapies for balance and gait disorders in healthy individuals and people with neurological conditions (e.g. Parkinson’s disease, Multiple Sclerosis).


maybe the NARD DAWG has parkinsons and had to turn himself into a human cannonball to protect his frail body by cushioning it on Brayshaw's skull
 

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I did, and Maynard wasn't reacting to the sudden unforeseen appearance of Brayshaw. He was always there, he was always going to be in the vicinity of where he was, it's very misleading of the biomechanist to pretend otherwise. But it served the purpose for Collingwood's argument.

The onus is on a player committing an action e.g. tackling or bumping to protect the player they're committing that action against. So there's not really any relevant point in the second line of your comment, it's an obfuscation.

Maynard wasnt initiating contact by any means like those two instances. Tackling and bumping is contact. Smothering isnt
 

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Lol yeah he definitely sounds like he know more about AFL than David Mundy:

Biomechanist Michael Cole certainly does not appear to be an expert in Aussie rules collisions, or indeed sports in general.

Assoc Prof at Australian Catholic Uinversity (ranked about 25th in Australia)
Areas of expertise: biomechanics; movement disorders; neuroscience; motor control; ageing

Assoc. Prof. Cole completed his PhD in 2009 and has since conducted a range of multi-disciplinary research projects that have aimed to evaluate; i) the relationship between postural instability, gait disability and falls in people with Parkinson’s disease; and ii) the safety and efficacy of invasive (e.g. DBS) and non-invasive (e.g. exercise) therapies for balance and gait disorders in healthy individuals and people with neurological conditions (e.g. Parkinson’s disease, Multiple Sclerosis).


maybe the NARD DAWG has parkinsons and had to turn himself into a human cannonball to protect his frail body by cushioning it on Brayshaw's skull

Do you think you sound smart quoting the ranking of his uni , lol wtf
 

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Okay for a big Vic club player you can jump in the air and concuss a bloke ✅

Can punch a Sydney player in the head with a clenched fist oh that’s just a love tap ✅

AFL is becoming WWE with its manufactured outcomes man
 

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Please remind me from which university Doctor Mundy obtained his master’s in biomechanics?
I'm probably fine with that, but would argue its where the AFL's guidelines around 'careless' contact aren't really well defined as a reflect action but he was the one that initiated the contact by jumping towards Brayshaw. yes Brawshaw deviates slightly but I think Maynards lawyer did a great job too at exaverating that movement

All the incidents I've seen bought up both as a suspension and cleared/finded I don't think are really all that relative to this incident - and why I did think he would probably get off.

I'm not sold on the whole but finals or Collingwood things. Just think they hit are area that really isn't well defined by the AFL
 
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eddiesmith

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Interesting I just saw a rugby league ex player ,commentator just say that if this happened to the kicker in their game player would get sent off and get suspended for 4 weeks

Is this the same NRL where you only get 3 games for biting someone?

Yeah, find someone with a bit more credibility…
 

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Did you listen to the hearing yesterday and how long Maynard had to react?

At what point is Brayshaw responsible for his own safety also ? Or is that just not necessary?
I think players protecting themselves had really fallen away in recent years and something that should be looked at.

Brayshaw had just landed put of his kicking action and I don't think really had the chance to protect himself - he did start to raise his hands but too late

I think that different to players attacking a loose ball where you're can argue should be aware of players around them So many run front on into a contest knowing someone will be there where I think you used to see players turn to take the contact up the side, where I don't think he really had a chance to react that clsoe to his kicking action
 

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This entire thing was a storm in a teacup, massive overreaction from the media. I believe the correct decision was made. And I think it's time coaches were warned by the AFL about commenting on opposition players.

It shows where the AFLs heads were at when they let Goodwins comments slide which would normally get a please explain.
 

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“WWE features scripted matches and soap opera-like storylines”

Replace WWE with AFL + Big Vic club and it’s getting there so I agree
You are right. Maybe following the SANFL is a better option for you to enjoy our great game.
 

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All these comments about 'A win for football'... do they not see that it could very well be the case of winning the battle, losing the war?

I despair for those who can't see the writing on the wall. Or perhaps they don't mind if the game blows up in the next 10-20 years because of legal action, because they'll either be gone or close to it.
That they put this to the tribunal alone was to cover itself for the 'war'.
If AFL goes down so does ALL contact sport. It'll evolve and wishful thinking but CTE could prove to be overblown. Unlike climate change the science isn't in.