McCarthy vs Beams

[TradeDraft]

These 2 Players are 2nd Round Picks. J-Mac 27th and Beam 29th and where brought in the for the Same Reason in finding a Replacement for Scotty Burns.

Both Mids who can Kick Goals and play in the Forward line as a Flanker.

I actually rate J-Mac as the Better player as I think he has the Better Kick and More Speed.

He was fantastic in 07 season. For Example watch his Debut game:

[YOUTUBE]dB1tJeQ6K2Q[/YOUTUBE]


Problem is J-Mac has had Hamstring Problems the Last 2 Seasons.

Who do you rate Higher?

 

[mdc]

I find these 2 Players are 2nd Round Picks.

Agreed.

 

[mattys123]

BEAMS, Easily, the kid is a star already, and only going to get better with a few more pre seasons under his belt.

I have serious concerns for J-MAC, he simply has not performed when played at senior level, and his hamstrings have to be of a major concern for the club medicos now.

Beams is durable, has proven himself at the top level, and has continued to improve this year, while J-MAC has almost gone backwards (or at least been stagnant) so far this year.

If McCarthy can get fit, and stay fit, he may become a very good senior player, but his injuries are the major concern at the moment.

 

[TradeDraft]

Agreed.

Yes I know my Grammar is Terrible at Times

 

[Kirby]

Seriously Dave, some of these threads are becoming absurd.

I like your enthusiasm but this is getting ridiculous.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Troll thread?

Hamstrings are McCarthy's problems?

I'd say his ability as a footballer is his problem. McCarthy makes Beames look like Greg Williams.

No really.

 

[absy]

Haha we all know you just wanted to show off Dawesy in that video !!

 

[Ron]

McCarthy is a fair way behind atm. I know a lot of people on here love him, and apparently he is held in high regard by the coaching staff, but i just can't see it yet.

I hope the kid comes good, but he looks dead set lost at AFL level and really seems to struggle.

Beams is already an integral part of our team, and he wont go out unless he is injured or Jaxson sabotages him in some way.

 

[Dundalis]

These 2 Players are 2nd Round Picks. J-Mac 27th and Beam 29th and where brought in the for the Same Reason in finding a Replacement for Scotty Burns.

Both Mids who can Kick Goals and play in the Forward line as a Flanker.

I actually rate J-Mac as the Better player as I think he has the Better Kick and More Speed.

He was fantastic in 07 season. For Example watch his Debut game:

[YOUTUBE]dB1tJeQ6K2Q[/YOUTUBE]


Problem is J-Mac has had Hamstring Problems the Last 2 Seasons.

Who do you rate Higher?

How is this video a promotion of John McCarthy's ability? He touched the ball like 3 times and did not much at all. Like most of his games so far. Where is this pace you speak of? Better kick? McCarthy is a rubbish kick from what I have seen at AFL level. Now I'm sure he is probably better than that, but he is nowhere near as good a kick as Beams at this stage. When John McCarthy kicks a 50 metre goal off his left come back to me.

John McCarthy likely won't be on the list in 2 years time. Scott Burns has been replaced by Luke Ball, Beams will be right there to help him in a year or two as he gets more preseason's into him, and that's that. If McCarthy is supposed to be a goal kicking inside mid with pace, we already have a player far superior in Wellingham. Not only does he not have a role in our side, he hasn't shown he is anywhere near good enough to fill it. He will have one more season after this to show he has something and that's it I would say. If he doesn't show anything Buckley will get rid. I think Josh Thomas will go past him next year, from the little I've seen of him. That kid looks like he has a bit of talent.

 

[Paddywhackers]

What a stupid thread.

Clearly McCarthy has the more promising future.

 

[Invigoration]

McCarthy v Barham would be a fairer comparison at the moment.

Jmac has a lot of potential, injuries are derailing his career unfortunately.

 

[HFF]

J-Mac will definitely be around in 2 years time. We know he is highly rated internally and he is clearly a class above at VFL level where he has constantly dominated games. He just needs the continuity and faith in his body to stand up and some confidence in the seniors before we see what he is capable of.

He hasn't got "great pace" but he is quick enough but it's his overall package that is exciting. He is tall (Pendles size), very good overhead, hard, can play inside/out and on flank and his kicking is good. The one that stands out in my head is against Sydney a couple of years ago at Etihad where he hit a 50m flat-bullet on the run to Pendles inside 50 where I sat back and just thought, wow!

He is a very good prospect and is more than capable to "come on" like Wellingham has this season. He will be given the time.

As for the OP, Beams by a long way. Kid is already a star.

 

[DThomas]

I'm a big McCarthy fan and I reckon he will be a star one day, but Beams is clearly better at the moment.

 

[OniAu]

such a silly poll, i dont even understand what you want to get out of it.

Jmacs opportunities have been limited due to good form by the team aswell as injuries , you can barely even judge him.

 

[golazo]

Danny Stanley MKII

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

LOL at this thread.

Beams is already a gun and McCarthy (in the seniors) still looks like a lost wallaby stunned by a 4WD's floodlamps.

 

[TradeDraft]

I'm a big McCarthy fan and I reckon he will be a star one day, but Beams is clearly better at the moment.

That what I ask in the Poll who will have the Better Career and not who is better know because Beams is that far ahead

 

[DThomas]

That what I ask in the Poll who will have the Better Career and not who is better know because Beams is that far ahead

I still have to go with Beams. Although, as I said, McCarthy will be a star one day.

 

[Number 10]

Beams will play 300 games, So will Sidebottom. McCarthy will play 150. You do the math

 

[zildjian]

i can not beleive this thread all i have to do is laugh jmac has shown absolutely nothing to date where beams has had one game under 20 disposals this year.. this thread is a joke

 

[Dundalis]

J-Mac will definitely be around in 2 years time. We know he is highly rated internally and he is clearly a class above at VFL level where he has constantly dominated games. He just needs the continuity and faith in his body to stand up and some confidence in the seniors before we see what he is capable of.

He hasn't got "great pace" but he is quick enough but it's his overall package that is exciting. He is tall (Pendles size), very good overhead, hard, can play inside/out and on flank and his kicking is good. The one that stands out in my head is against Sydney a couple of years ago at Etihad where he hit a 50m flat-bullet on the run to Pendles inside 50 where I sat back and just thought, wow!

He is a very good prospect and is more than capable to "come on" like Wellingham has this season. He will be given the time.

As for the OP, Beams by a long way. Kid is already a star.

How can you say he will "definitely" be around in two years? If he doesn't not only play a full season next year and not get injured, but improve out of sight, I don't see why Buckley would keep him on the list. He would go into the following season as a 22 year old and having hardly played. We will have another two drafts worth of younger players on the list. I expect Bucks to be much more unforgiving in terms of getting rid of players than Malthouse is.

He won't "come on" like Wellingham either. Wellingham had a solid number of games over the past 2 years leading up to his outstanding current season. And he had shown far more than one little piece of decent play as well, despite being much maligned. McCarthy won't go from basically nothing to simply becoming a star at AFL level just like that. This is all very very wishful thinking.

As for McCarthy as a player, from what I've seen his awareness isn't much better than Danny Stanley's. He has tunnel vision, doesn't have a look before hoofing the ball down the field, and whether he does or doesn't have good leg speed, his game speed looks quite slow.

Also from following some of his VFL performances, he doesn't seem like he gets that much of the pill. He seemed to consistently be in the 15-20 possession getters, which to me doesn't bode well for an AFL midfielder. I might be wrong, but checking the VFL reports over the last few years, that's what it seemed like. Now if he can nail a position somewhere else, such as a back flank, that may be a different story. All up the odds are well stacked against him, and I simply don't think he is anywhere near talented enough to overcome them. Not to mention durable enough.

 

[Invigoration]

Our best pick for the next two years will be in the 20's. McCarthy isn't going to be delisted in that time to give us another pick which would probably be in the 80's or 90's.

It isn't really worth getting in to, you've made your judgment off what you've read on the website virtually. Needs to string together some consistent footy without injury, from what he has shown though if he manages to do that, he'll be fine.
It's a decent hurdle to get over for him at this stage though.

There is absolutely no reason he won't come on like Wellingham. His standout games at VFL have been as good, if not better than Wellingham's. He just hasn't had the opportunity to do it consistently.

 

[Pies_10]

Is this a serious question
McCarthy is so injury prone he cant even get more than one senior game and Beams is playing at a high level even for his age and will only get better.

 

[THATSGOLD]

players that have shown more the McCarthy... at both vfl and afl level include
cook
stanley (delisted)
goldsack
barham

he is in the rusling leigh walker tom davidson category unfortunely.

blight and blair will probably surpass him too.

 

[Dundalis]

Our best pick for the next two years will be in the 20's. McCarthy isn't going to be delisted in that time to give us another pick which would probably be in the 80's or 90's.

It isn't really worth getting in to, you've made your judgment off what you've read on the website virtually. Needs to string together some consistent footy without injury, from what he has shown though if he manages to do that, he'll be fine.
It's a decent hurdle to get over for him at this stage though.

There is absolutely no reason he won't come on like Wellingham. His standout games at VFL have been as good, if not better than Wellingham's. He just hasn't had the opportunity to do it consistently.

We'll see, but I think we may end up getting involved in some trades for draft picks over the next two years. Gold Coast and Western Sydney aren't going to be keeping all those draft picks, they will be looking to trade some of them off for some experience. If they go into the season with a team full of kids, they will get hammered. If you look at our list, there are a few players old and young who might be of interest to a new AFL team with very little in the way of players with AFL experience. Because they will both have so many picks, depending on what they are able to pick up from other clubs/uncontracted players, they may be willing to overpay for them. I also expect us to be an active team once free agency kicks in.

All I said regarding McCarthy is that he doesn't seem like a high possession getter at VFL level. Is this analysis wrong? Tell me if it is. I had also seen maybe 2 or 3 games of his at VFL level. All other judgements of him I have made watching him at AFL level. Also I know for a fact that Wellingham was consistently in the top 2 or 3 possession getters for the VFL side, getting 25-30 a game before getting his go at AFL level, and was consistently in the bests. Yes he had issues with few things on the mental side of the game, but he still showed all the attributes that he is showing today back then.

McCarthy won't come on like Wellingham next season. Wellingham had played 28 games of AFL footy prior to coming on this season, showing that he genuinely belonged, if with a few issues to work on. McCarthy has played 9 games of footy, and has looked average to rubbish in most of them.

He could do a Toovey and prove me wrong, I just think the odds are stacked way way against him at this point.