MCG to host GF through to 2057

[Leeda]

Excuse me? Well done champ bloody good comment.

well that is twisted rhetoric but you confuse me slightly.. u are one but also half of a plus/minus revolution..

 

[Carringbush2010]

NSW & Qld have 4 AFL clubs.

WA & SA have 4, Tas nil.

Whats a footy state then?, & whats not?

What's a footy state?, being a Collingwood supporter thought you'd know. I'll explain. A footy state is a state where Australian Football is traditionally the most popular spectator sport and most would label them as Vic, WA, SA and Tas add NT.

Sure there are 4 clubs north of the Murray but only 1 has a big supporter base - Brisbane used to when they were dominating but once they dropped off so did the attendances. I'd argue the same would be for Sydney once and if they drop off - the bandwagon will be emptied. Only few are rusted on like us from the "footy states" - and you'd argue they're expats from Vic who used to support South and Fitzroy. The bulk of those supporters only support those teams when they're going well - it's not an interest in the game so much.

For example, The storm have a successful NRL team but you wouldn't say that the public has a thirst for rugby league in traditional footy states - it's good we have a team full of Queenslanders, NSWelshman and kiwis representing Victoria and doing well but meh - not much interest for the game or the league itself. This would be the mindset of the majority of "supporters" of those teams North of the Murray. "We have a team in their game and if we can beat them then sweet, if we lose I'm turning off".

All that leads back to the thread discussion and in part answers the questions as to why the GF is staying.

• We all know where the bulk of the market is.
• Not mentioned above it's obvious that the MCC had an influence in this decision.

 

[Roovolution]

National Competition....except all those times when Victorians can bend things to their advantage.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The explanation elsewhere in this thread, and no
I wont do either.

You won't do what? Or is that it won't do?

Either way there's the reality and what you want to be the reality, so if you don't want to move on then don't. No skin off my nose or anyone else's.

 

[Leeda]

can we say anymore? the battle lines might be drawn but they are set in stone.

maybe a statue of Clarko on the latitude of the G somewhere near Lethal.. lol

 

[Carringbush2010]

The VFL run by that moron Gill is a joke.

Reckon he should go home?

 

[HTT]

The VFL run by that moron Gill is a joke.

Agree. Should be running the SANFL in the State he comes from

 

[redglare]

Amateur move by an amateur competition. Aside from the obvious inequities, who the hell knows what is going to happen over 40 years? The AFL already got into an unsustainable position by doing this sort of a deal for home finals and had to find a way out.

And the notion that you need a 100,000+ seat ground for the GF is preposterous. The NFL is a vastly bigger spectacle and commercial enterprise than the AFL and they routinely hold superbowls in stadiums with less than 70,000 capacity.

I'm not sure what gives the AFL, supposedly a National Competition, the right to strike a deal with the Victorian Government that so obviously disadvantages non-Victorian clubs and States. In the long term, AFL is in a battle with other codes, and this is the kind of narrow-minded thinking that gives a free kick to the competition.

 

[ApplecrossWC]

Cue the whinging interstate nuffies that should just be thankful they were given the privilege of joining our competition.

 

[stinger05]

Cue the whinging interstate nuffies that should just be thankful they were given the privilege of joining our competition.

You owe your clubs existence to interstate nuffies. Enjoy being irrelevant.

 

[blue harvest]

And the notion that you need a 100,000+ seat ground for the GF is preposterous. The NFL is a vastly bigger spectacle and commercial enterprise than the AFL and they routinely hold superbowls in stadiums with less than 70,000 capacity.

I wish people would stop comparing it to NFL. That's a completely different beast. How many people get into the Superbowl for less than $400 through their membership? In the AFL it's about 80k. Can you get into NFL games during the year for $30? We still have a game for the people, they don't.

 

[HTT]

The NFL is a vastly bigger spectacle and commercial enterprise than the AFL and they routinely hold superbowls in stadiums with less than 70,000 capacity

That's a nice fact you've pulled out of your arse there. The NFLs minimum required capacity for Superbowls is 70k - see https://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/06/09/super-bowl-2018-requirements-minnesota-vikings

The median of all Super Bowl attendances ever is approximately 74k. Do you know what the capacity of the MCG is, bar the MCC section?
A bit under 78k
https://www.mcc.org.au/_/media/files/mcc/my-mcc-membership/mcc032-membership-flyer-2017_hr.pdf?la=en (see "The MCC Reserve has a capacity of more than 22,000").
Get close to those marks and we can talk.

 

[Dave]

I'm not sure what gives the AFL, supposedly a National Competition, the right to strike a deal with the Victorian Government that so obviously disadvantages non-Victorian clubs and States.

Who else is going to strike a deal on behalf of the competition?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Amateur move by an amateur competition. Aside from the obvious inequities, who the hell knows what is going to happen over 40 years? The AFL already got into an unsustainable position by doing this sort of a deal for home finals and had to find a way out.

And the notion that you need a 100,000+ seat ground for the GF is preposterous. The NFL is a vastly bigger spectacle and commercial enterprise than the AFL and they routinely hold superbowls in stadiums with less than 70,000 capacity.

I'm not sure what gives the AFL, supposedly a National Competition, the right to strike a deal with the Victorian Government that so obviously disadvantages non-Victorian clubs and States. In the long term, AFL is in a battle with other codes, and this is the kind of narrow-minded thinking that gives a free kick to the competition.

Enjoy the WAFL!

 

[footy75]

Honestly... How can you have the biggest sporting event in the country in a piss ant town like Adelaide furthermore a stadium with 55k capacity.

How is it even a debate.

 

[Whiskers]

I hope those arguing that the GF be moved around would also support a GF in Geelong.

 

[tigerdan]

I hope those arguing that the GF be moved around would also support a GF in Geelong.

Likewise I guess the interstaters will be insisting the grand final be played at Etihad if they are the lower ranked team and have to play one of the Etihad tenants in the granny.

Somehow I think they won't be so strident about oval size and home ground advantage all of a sudden. More like want a better chance of getting a ticket at the bigger ground.

 

[Sauras]

Cue the whinging interstate nuffies that should just be thankful they were given the privilege of joining our competition.

Your club wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for the interstate clubs, perhaps you should be thankful.

 

[tigerdan]

It really would not have been hard for one of the other state governments to have approached the afl and said "we want to build a huge stadium for the future but to make the $ work we need you to let us host the granny every now and then". Hell if it was in Sydney or Brisbane probably the afl would have been all over it like a rash. Remember their aim is to cripple the rugby codes and especially soccer. The long game is afl dominant over the whole country.

Instead, political machinations in Sydney see the only other big stadium in the country get half torn down and WA/SA lack any sense of vision (and in the case of WA, money) and instead build little boutique stadiums.

I don't hear many geelong fans demanding the granny be at kp, especially when half the seats would go to opposition supporters.

 

[Blackas87]

Your club wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for the interstate clubs, perhaps you should be thankful.

Interstate clubs wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Victoria, perhaps you should be thankful.

 

[Pessimistic]

If non victorian forces suggested a non MCG grand final and Gil even listened rather than laughed I bet they couldn't believe their luck.

Meanwhile Gil lusts after a night grand final but it appears beyond his capability to deliver even that 'small' change.

This discussion is such a non event its not funny

 

[Cuzz09]

Interstate clubs wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Victoria, perhaps you should be thankful.

No one would be here if there was no sun. Perhaps you should be thankful

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[BEEG]

More funding for Kardinia Park from the government, yummy. Maybe we go ahead and put a roof up, or get some of those fancy lights that they have over in Perth.

Maybe you can give everybody a bath upon entry?

 

[redglare]

I wish people would stop comparing it to NFL. That's a completely different beast. How many people get into the Superbowl for less than $400 through their membership? In the AFL it's about 80k. Can you get into NFL games during the year for $30? We still have a game for the people, they don't.

No its not. The USA has 250 millionpeople and a huge demand for Superbowl tickets, which is what drives the ticket price. If you had the AFL grand final in Perth, I would expect the ticket prices to be ~30% more expensive. No big deal, it would still sell out.

And thanks for pointing out another inequity - people from Melbourne can get into the game for less than $400 - It would cost me $1000 - $2000 including travel & hotel

 

[redglare]

That's a nice fact you've pulled out of your arse there. The NFLs minimum required capacity for Superbowls is 70k - see https://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/06/09/super-bowl-2018-requirements-minnesota-vikings

The median of all Super Bowl attendances ever is approximately 74k. Do you know what the capacity of the MCG is, bar the MCC section?
A bit under 78k
https://www.mcc.org.au/_/media/files/mcc/my-mcc-membership/mcc032-membership-flyer-2017_hr.pdf?la=en (see "The MCC Reserve has a capacity of more than 22,000").
Get close to those marks and we can talk.

Let's see who pulled "facts" out of their arse. You linked to an article from 2014, before the Minnesota stadium was even built. Official attendance at the 2018 superbowl, according to the NFL, was ~ 67,600. http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/57500/NE_Gamebook.pdf Looking back at the last 10 to 15 superbowls, most attendance has been in the 67k - 75k range, with a couple of outliers. But that's not the point - the point is that having a massive 100K+ crowd is not a precondition to the NFL and is not required for it to be a spectacle.