Medders V Tarks

[magicpants]

I know he is either not fit or out of form at the moment but for me Medders has to come in for Tarks before the finals.

Consider the 2 players on these key areas:

kicking (field) - close one, Tarks just for his left foot

kicking (for goal) - again close but Medders as he has more snap/freak ability and is a longer kick for goal

assists - Medders easily, too unselfish for his own good sometimes

marking - Medders easily

pace - Medders again, underated pace, more on the burst to break away from opp players

tackling - Medders although Tarks no slouch jut that Medders seems to be stronger in sticking the tackle and can picture him doing flying tackles when he is on song

one on one -Medders clearly and one of the key areas come big games

attitude - Tarks clearly at the moment, whether Medders is lacking confidence or is injured not quite sure but when he is on he does have a good attitude

Score - Medders 6 out of 8

Tarks' main 2 issues are lack of pace and more importantly his inability to win a one on one. Compare these 2 aspects to Medders who is the exact opposite and come finals time I know which player I want in the team.

How do you see it?

 

[bucksisbest]

Medhurst in decent form is miles better than Tarkyn. I'm not sure if he has lost his mojo atm , or still struggling with his body.

 

[Thommo 42]

Versatility and reliability = Tarkyn

But if Medhurst gets even remotely near his best, he is clearly in our best 22. In fact, he is clearly in our best 5-10 players when up and going

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Dunno, it seems like comparing Jolly and Blair. They do their own thing differently.

I can't fault the comparisons you've made, but I just don't see these two competing for the same role. They complement the team in different ways.

 

[Art Corvelay]

It's been a while since Medders has played a blinder - this injury really seems to have taken it out of him. I really hope he can get back to some of his 08 form, one of my fave players at the Pies

 

[Michael_knoth]

I think up and going medhurst is a top 3 player at collingwood behind only Davis and didak. Cloke I still don't think has monstered a game like I know he will but when he does hos best will be better I'm sure... I think medhurst should come in this week. Give him 2 or 3 weeks in the ones and if he doesn't preform drop him and have him wait for an injury. No passengers this year!

 

[September Action]

Perceptive thread.

I see this as a double or nothing scenario. Tarks = safe. You know he will be serviceable and probably even kick a goal or two. Medders is the double or nothing, the X-factor, which may alternatively come to nought. The gambler in me says Medders but he's a shadow of v2008.

 

[Michael_knoth]

Perceptive thread.

I see this as a double or nothing scenario. Tarks = safe. You know he will be serviceable and probably even kick a goal or two. Medders is the double or nothing, the X-factor, which may alternatively come to nought. The gambler in me says Medders but he's a shadow of v2008.

Great post!

 

[mdc]

^^^Would have said double or some very good tackling/chasing

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

I want Anzac Day Medders back

 

[SwanBet]

Medhurst. Yet he is injured atm. I was sitting a few seats away from him at the West Coast game and his foot was in an esky full of ice, so he is clearly not right at the moment.

 

[Pie eyed]

Dunno, it seems like comparing Jolly and Blair. They do their own thing differently.

I can't fault the comparisons you've made, but I just don't see these two competing for the same role. They complement the team in different ways.

Agree.
Apples and Oranges, but in the end we need a smorgasboard.

Both are required when in form.

 

[PieLebo87]

I love Medders, and I wish he could get back to his AA form. He was so dangerous. But could his ankle seriously be this bad. I remember reading somewhere that maybe his '08 season was just a flash in the pan type thing, because its not like we've seen that kind of form from him on a consistent basis outside that year, whether its Freo, or with Collingwood.

Is Medhurst as good as his greatest output? Or is that setting the bar too high for him?

 

[Michael_knoth]

he was looking really good in 09. the game before he did his ankle i think was the brisbane game where he basically won the game off his own boot

 

[Da Main Man]

When i think of Collingwood, Tarks is the image that comes to mind first.

I've watched the majority of his 200+ games, most consistent player I've witnessed in the last 10 years, will be a sad day when he hangs up the boots.

.....however he will need to be red hot going into the finals if the decision of Tarks v Medders is on the the table for selection.

.....gone bitch!! love this pic!!!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

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[Tarkyn_24]

When i think of Collingwood, Tarks is the image that comes to mind first.

I've watched the majority of his 200+ games, most consistent player I've witnessed in the last 10 years, will be a sad day when he hangs up the boots.

.....however he will need to be red hot going into the finals if the decision of Tarks v Medders is on the the table for selection.

.....gone bitch!! love this pic!!!

You could almost be my alias.

I rate Tarkyn better in the tackling aspect of his game (comfortably too IMO), worse in the footspeed and marking, better in field kicking (marginally), better in kicking from the mark (comfortably in our top 3 as a club).

Overall, I'd prefer both in the side and no Davis to be honest. If it's down to one on one though, I'd probably prefer Tarks seeing as he's a player that'll give consistency, and we probably need it in a side with Davis, Didak etc.

 

[mdc]

I rate Tarkyn better in the tackling aspect of his game (comfortably too IMO)

Then you need to play closer attention to Medhurst. He's the 2nd-best tackler at the club, behind Maxwell (although Harry is getting there as well).

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Then you need to play closer attention to Medhurst. He's the 2nd-best tackler at the club, behind Maxwell (although Harry is getting there as well).

Or you need to pay closer attention to Tarkyn. Continually punches above his weight class in his tackling, bringing down KPP with 20 or 30kgs over him. Aside from his kicking (which is declining as he loses distance anyway) his tackling and marking, and footy smarts, are his greatest assets. Despite that, I still rate Medhurst a better mark and probably better at reading the play. Lockyer is 100% the better tackler though.

 

[mdc]

Or you need to pay closer attention to Tarkyn. Continually punches above his weight class in his tackling, bringing down KPP with 20 or 30kgs over him.

Unfortunately there's no prize for tackling above your weight.

Tarks does a good job in terms of not missing tackles when they're there, but he doesn't crush people and create turnovers the way Maxwell or Medhurst (or Ball) do.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

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[4#Didak#4]

Until Medhurst regains some sort of spark Tarks is the better bet. At least you know what you will get from Tarks & thats improtant when planning for games, you can't have passengers which is what Medhurst has been. Tarks at the moment has been working really well in our forward structure. He had one of the the WC best players this year in Beau Waters on him most of the night & not only kept him quiet he kicked goals on him - what more do you want?

At their best its Medhurst by a mile. He can break games open & is a hard match up. However his best & worst are light years apart. His VFL game was dreadful on the weekend and simply cannot be picked if you are well beaten & drop your head in a VFL game.

For our sake I hope he comes good, but if not Tarks is a solid option.

 

[Stazza71]

Medhurst (IMO) hasn't had a good game for about 2 years and just plain looks either lazy or dis interested (or maybe both). He is a wildcard but can we afford to carry both him and Leon on the hope that they may "explode"? Tarks has lost his pace but he gives 100% in everything he does. Tarks for mine unless Medder's can rip a VFL game apart

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Medhurst (IMO) hasn't had a good game for about 2 years and just plain looks either lazy or dis interested (or maybe both).

knob

 

[Stazza71]

If he is injured,then don't play him . We have plenty of fit players who put in more effort than Medder's - Knob!!