medhurst vs tarrant

[London Docker]

since trade

medhurst 24 games - 42 goals

tarrant 25 games - 37 goals

worthwhile mentioning that farmer has played 15 games for 30 goals in the same period.

why did we get rid of medhurst???? i know him and farmer couldn't play in same team apparently but he is 4 years younger than farmer and looks like he cares more

i want schwab/connolly to apologise!!!

 

[Underdog]

Medhurst's development was misguided and stagnated under Connolly.

Everyone could see the talent and potential to be a well rounded, quality footballer who could play a supporting role was there but Connolly never got close to uncovering it

 

[hoogs]

since trade

medhurst 24 games - 42 goals

tarrant 25 games - 37 goals

worthwhile mentioning that farmer has played 15 games for 30 goals in the same period.

why did we get rid of medhurst???? i know him and farmer couldn't play in same team apparently but he is 4 years younger than farmer and looks like he cares more

i want schwab/connolly to apologise!!!

When you watch games from London you don't see what happens away from the television cameras. Medhurst might kick a few goals, but he'll cost you the game.

Lets not underestimate the perception that Fremantle had of Medhurst's ability. Medders had kicked 9 goals for Freo in a game against Brisbane. We knew what his qualities were when we traded him. Don't expect to him to sustain his performance. The weekend was a perfect example of how stupid it is to rely on a player like Medhurst as a focal point in attack. We tried it and it failed. Can't do anything unless he's fed the ball. As soon as he has to go and earn it, he gives up.

Malthouse is going to learn the hard way.

 

[kidstyler]

medders was an arrogant little prick ....

fits in well at collingwood!

 

[Underdog]

Don't expect to him to sustain his performance. The weekend was a perfect example of how stupid it is to rely on a player like Medhurst as a focal point in attack. We tried it and it failed. Can't do anything unless he's fed the ball. As soon as he has to go and earn it, he gives up.

What garbage. He has been playing bloody well since mid last year and his defensive pressure has been excellent as he averages nearly 3 tackles a game. He has also provided many scoring assists. He has very rarely had to play as a focal point because they generally have a couple of fairly solid KPPs...you may have even heard of them, Travis Cloke and Anthony Rocca. He has fitted into the structure around them very well.

 

[kidstyler]

What garbage. He has been playing bloody well since mid last year and his defensive pressure has been excellent as he averages nearly 3 tackles a game. He has also provided many scoring assists. He has very rarely had to play as a focal point because they generally have a couple of fairly solid KPPs...you may have even heard of them, Travis Cloke and Anthony Rocca. He has fitted into the structure around them very well.

dont you have a scarf to go knit underdog ....

run along. we maybe shit atm but just remember where our 1 win has come from this year!

 

[Lach72]

What garbage. He has been playing bloody well since mid last year and his defensive pressure has been excellent as he averages nearly 3 tackles a game. He has also provided many scoring assists. He has very rarely had to play as a focal point because they generally have a couple of fairly solid KPPs...you may have even heard of them, Travis Cloke and Anthony Rocca. He has fitted into the structure around them very well.

Agreed

 

[Underdog]

run along. we maybe shit atm but just remember where our 1 win has come from this year!

You guys seem to trump us in every aspect at the moment

I'm not rubbing anything in, but anger over a loss is no reason to make ignorant and stupid calls about a former player

 

[raffrox]

Agreed

Agreed.

 

[E Shed]

Agreed.

Agreed.

 

[hoogs]

What garbage. He has been playing bloody well since mid last year and his defensive pressure has been excellent as he averages nearly 3 tackles a game. He has also provided many scoring assists. He has very rarely had to play as a focal point because they generally have a couple of fairly solid KPPs...you may have even heard of them, Travis Cloke and Anthony Rocca. He has fitted into the structure around them very well.

How many did Rocca and Cloke kick on the weekend? Rocca has done nothing over the past 3 weeks. He has had 2 goals in 2 games. Out with injury. 7 frees against, 1 for, 4 marks and 15 touches all up. Where was Cloke on the weekend? Not so 'generally', or 'fairly' reliable as you say? Medhurst is the man they are going to. Don't kid yourself. The stat's might point to it, but if you've been watching the last few games, it's clear he's the be all and end all of their forward line at the moment. Cloke's just running to the boundary line or taking his marks outside of the 50, so he is not the 'spearhead' or focal point inside the 50m forward line. Check the AFL Game Day Live Goal Map for Collingwood games and you'll get an understanding. Mind you, being determined to berate Fremantle's trading you might not bother.

Either way, Medhurst will have good games, but the positives are outweighed by the negatives when he is not the focal point in attack. When he is, then he can do enough to make it worthwhile having him out there. When he is playing in a pocket without delivery, he can't get the ball, can't crumb and can't (doesn't) follow his man up the ground. When he's on a flank he gets lost up the ground and his opponents kick goals from back flanks. In the midfield he is useless. He grew up playing FF for Hale School and has never learned the game from a midfielder's point of view, but Malthouse seems to think otherwise.

 

[dominguez]

You must be watching different games to me Hoogs. Medhurst is on track for All Australian selection and should be playing against the Vics on Saturday.

Medhurst's numbers for goals, marks, tackles and kicks would be very similar to Pav this season.

 

[London Docker]

When you watch games from London you don't see what happens away from the television cameras. Medhurst might kick a few goals, but he'll cost you the game.

Lets not underestimate the perception that Fremantle had of Medhurst's ability. Medders had kicked 9 goals for Freo in a game against Brisbane. We knew what his qualities were when we traded him. Don't expect to him to sustain his performance. The weekend was a perfect example of how stupid it is to rely on a player like Medhurst as a focal point in attack. We tried it and it failed. Can't do anything unless he's fed the ball. As soon as he has to go and earn it, he gives up.

Malthouse is going to learn the hard way.

i'd rather an inconsistent medhurst that does kick a few goals, over a consistently bad tarrant

and who looks more interested at the moment...medhurst or farmer/tarrant...he's got more heart than both at the moment

 

[hoogs]

You must be watching different games to me Hoogs. Medhurst is on track for All Australian selection and should be playing against the Vics on Saturday.

Medhurst's numbers for goals, marks, tackles and kicks would be very similar to Pav this season.

Yeah, must have been. I was watching Collingwood.

The point is that Medhurst can play as a focal point in attack when he is being fed the ball, and yes, he might kick a few goals in the odd game, but the 'team' will suffer for it. It is the only way that Medhurst can play. Sure, you may consider him to be a more team orientated player, but compared to what and who? Himself, which still leaves him a very selfish player. He still goes through games without even a thought of handballing. Yes he has given a few goal assists (not as many as he's wrongly being perceived as giving), but so did Tarrant on the weekend. On many occasions he actively and successfully looked for another option, when he could have alleviated some of the pressure on himself by blazing away at goals. Not saying wither player is better than the other, but simply pointing out what you missed.

 

[Underdog]

So far you are the only person with your view in this thread but let's just agree to disagree hey...

 

[Art Corvelay]

So far you are the only person with your view in this thread but let's just agree to disagree hey...

Agreed - maybe at Fremantle Medhurst was selfish, but he's defintely become more of a team player since mid 07. Even if hasn't, he's still player better then Tarrant.

 

[London Docker]

medhurst on the left, tarrant on the right


7 2008 Games 4
13.3 Kicks Per Game 6.2
2.1 Handballs Per Game 3.8
15.4 Disposals Per Game 10.0
8.3 Marks Per Game 4.2
2.6 Goals Per Game 1.0
1.4 Behinds Per Game 0.2
2.7 Tackles Per Game 2.5
0 Hitouts Per Game 0.2
1.0 Frees For Per Game 0.2
1.0 Frees Against Per Game 0.5

 

[Belnakor]

Agreed - maybe at Fremantle Medhurst was selfish, but he's defintely become more of a team player since mid 07. Even if hasn't, he's still player better then Tarrant.

Bullshit. You clearly haven't watched much of Medders when he was at Freo.

People who have actually watched Medders games (and i've watched every one of them he played at Freo) knew he was decent when he was the sole target, but as soon as he has to earn his own ball he is useless. I would say he is a very similiar player to Mark Williams, but not as good.

As said above, Medders is an average FF, a below average pocket and an average player.. but if you guys want to play with a FF who is 5'8 then go for your life.

 

[Belnakor]

You must be watching different games to me Hoogs. Medhurst is on track for All Australian selection and should be playing against the Vics on Saturday.

Medhurst's numbers for goals, marks, tackles and kicks would be very similar to Pav this season.

Give me a break, Pav is ahead of Medders in every category of goal kicking while averaging a couple of clearances to boot. If he played for the dream time he would barely get a touch, because he is a short forward who has never kicked crumbing goals.

 

[dominguez]

Give me a break, Pav is ahead of Medders in every category of goal kicking while averaging a couple of clearances to boot. If he played for the dream time he would barely get a touch, because he is a short forward who has never kicked crumbing goals.

Paul Medhurst
7 games, 18 goals
13.3 kicks per game
8.3 marks per game
2.7 tackles per game

Matthew Pavlich
7 games, 22 goals
13 kicks per game
6.7 marks per game
1.4 tackles per game

Looks pretty similar to me.

 

[Belnakor]

Yes very good, you can select the stats that look good - are you a collingwood supporter in disguise? And your not proving much either. Pav is kicking more goals and more points.

Pav Medders
Contested Possessions: 3.4 1.3
Clearances: 2.4 0.7
Errors: 3.3 6.0

 

[Freo Dr]

You cannot make a comparison.

Medhurst was a good player for us but inconsistent and struggled in our structure. He was a great player when things were going our way but went missing too often and consistently when the going got tough - much like many of his teammates. Was Medhurst ever going to realise his potential at Freo - painfully no (although I still love the Monkey).

Medders himself says he didn't really pull his finger out with training and intensity on the field until he was traded. It was a lose lose situation for Freo I think. Keep him and keep getting inconsistent performances and falling short when the pressure was on or trade him and probably (as happened) see him play really well for another club when he realised he had to give 100% all the time.

This was compounded of course by Farmer having an enforced absence most of last year and then the trainee Collard going off the rails as well. Hopefully Mayne and Mourish can eventually fill the gaps.

 

[dominguez]

Yes very good, you can select the stats that look good - are you a collingwood supporter in disguise? And your not proving much either. Pav is kicking more goals and more points.

Pav Medders
Contested Possessions: 3.4 1.3
Clearances: 2.4 0.7
Errors: 3.3 6.0

Yeah you've caught me out, I'm a Collingwood supporter in disguise. Good work Columbo.

Did I say that Medhurst was better than Pav? All I said was that his kicks, marks and goals would be very similar, which you disagreed with.

Interesting that you bring up the clearance stats but don't like Pav going into the midfield.

 

[Memories]

You cannot make a comparison.

Medhurst was a good player for us but inconsistent and struggled in our structure. He was a great player when things were going our way but went missing too often and consistently when the going got tough - much like many of his teammates. Was Medhurst ever going to realise his potential at Freo - painfully no (although I still love the Monkey).

Medders himself says he didn't really pull his finger out with training and intensity on the field until he was traded. It was a lose lose situation for Freo I think. Keep him and keep getting inconsistent performances and falling short when the pressure was on or trade him and probably (as happened) see him play really well for another club when he realised he had to give 100% all the time.

This was compounded of course by Farmer having an enforced absence most of last year and then the trainee Collard going off the rails as well. Hopefully Mayne and Mourish can eventually fill the gaps.

Exactly, as stupid as it sounds until some players are traded they won't improve. They need that change in environment, change in their friends (or lack of) to really focus on football. Wouldn't matter if we gave away James Hird if he played like shit for us would it? Unless someone knows some magic way to motivate players that no one else does, then go get a job working for Freo!

 

[dominguez]

Medders himself says he didn't really pull his finger out with training and intensity on the field until he was traded. It was a lose lose situation for Freo I think. Keep him and keep getting inconsistent performances and falling short when the pressure was on or trade him and probably (as happened) see him play really well for another club when he realised he had to give 100% all the time.

So does that say more about Paul Medhurst or the culture at our football club?