Vic Melbourne's Sudanese gangs

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Fact Check on Victorian African Crime - Diversity Council Australia

DCA explores the real facts on Victorian African Crime, debunking myths and stereotypes that have been a topic of discussion recently.

www.dca.org.au

 

[Jiska]

http://www.policeaccountability.org...derstand-about-the-media-and-crime-reporting/

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

In 30 years, we'll have a bunch of Sudanese blokes sitting around talking about this new crop of *insert latest ethnic group to scare the shit out of people* being too violent and not working as hard as they did to get acceptance.

 

[Chief]

+1 for central London being alright to walk around in. I've done it many a night drunk off my arse and never had any issues. I'd be skeptical in south London though around Brixton etc.

It was fine 15 years ago. I walked home or took the tube to Camden, Kentish Town among other places. No problems apart from the homeless guys that hung around the Camden tube, Odeon, World’s End Pub etc.

Yeah the Brixton tube was an interesting place. Wall to wall opportunities to go into the money lending business.

“Excuse me could you lend me 20 quid until Tuesday?”




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[TimmeT]

http://www.policeaccountability.org...derstand-about-the-media-and-crime-reporting/

Yep no vested interests at all or political positioning from the authors of this. Great and unbiased source you've posted

Sarcasm.jpeg.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Yep no vested interests at all or political positioning from the authors of this. Great and unbiased source you've posted

Sarcasm.jpeg.

Unlike you. Bastian of balance

 

[mighty tiges]

Sentencing is one issue..and this is something the Andrews haters fail to understand. We do not live in a police state like Sir Joh's QLD in the 70's. There is a simple concept known as the separation of powers. That concept ensures there is no collusion or pressure on the courts by the Government of the day, therefore eliminating corruption.

As to the gangs, is it as bad as is being made out?

I grew up in the 80's. The time of the Broady boys and the Newport boys. It was a Melbourne wide turf war waged between both. Crime was rampant and yet it never became a political football under Cain and Labor. Things just happened.

I see the African kids all the time. All bar 1% of them are harmless.

I can see problems across other groups too. I can remember getting rolled and whacked in the head by a group of Islanders for no reason. There is an issue with Islanders and Maoris and their alcohol consumption. You still have the Asian gangs and Triads and Matthew guy's mates in the Melbourne Mafia!

I remember the Broady boys too as well as Lords in the late 70s to mid 80s. Newmarket railway station was totally covered in graffiti with every sign covered over with "Lords". They classed it as their turf. You never caught the Broady train at night alone back in those days.

I grew up in Footscray/Yarraville in the late 70s & 80s and seeing large groups of youths loitering and causing trouble was nothing new. One night at 9:30pm we had a gang of young males rock up in two cars outside our house and try to storm over our side gate. Our alarm system (rare in those days) sent them scattering and they drove off leaving one behind in our backyard before he jumped the back fence to escape. Within 30 mins, we had the cops and the dog squad at our place and scouring the local streets but by then the gang had fled. We later found out they were after drugs buried in a backyard a couple of doors down. But according to the Herald-Sun, gang youth crime is only something new because now we've got young African Aussie males with useless parents copying the same crap American gang culture that young white Aussie males with useless parents have been copying for decades. Of course, the PM and the Herald-Sun never blame the parents for any of this behaviour because there's no political mileage in it.

 

[Big_Luch]

Nobody blames the parents full stop. Its the schools fault, societies fault or the mean person down the roads fault.

 

[11sjw]

How, we are talking about Australian citizens.

Heard, via Macquarie News on the radio, this morning that there has been recommendations to have visas cancelled. That implies we aren't talking Australian citizens in all cases.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Sudanese are the worst and most violent ethnic gang since the last worst and most violent ethnic gang.

 

[King Brown]

Herald Sun aren’t the only people admitting there is an African crime problem, they were just the first to.

 

[Bleeeeeeeeep]

Heard, via Macquarie News on the radio, this morning that there has been recommendations to have visas cancelled. That implies we aren't talking Australian citizens in all cases.

No problem, but the crime has already been committed.
How much time did they spend talking about solution and prevention?

 

[Patrick Bullet]

The Victorian government and Police Management say you are wrong.

I'm more interested in what the data say.

 

[11sjw]

No problem, but the crime has already been committed.

So if convicted a one way ticket as the punishment?

How much time did they spend talking about solution and prevention?

There was a separate item featuring the young Somali gent that I believe is featured in Newspaper(s) and/or their affiliated website(s) today.

 

[Bleeeeeeeeep]

So if convicted a one way ticket as the punishment?


There was a separate item featuring the young Somali gent that I believe is featured in Newspaper(s) and/or their affiliated website(s) today.

If they are not Australian citizens, sure.

This:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/w...e-s-how-we-can-tackle-it-20171230-p4yy4p.html

The news services i heard last night conveniently just grabbed the grab about him saying that there are African gangs and left out anything else he has to say.
Don't know what the herald sun is saying because its pay wall, but by there history i can't imagine any sort of solution apart from deportation and immigration been discussed.
Again, reading what people are saying what message do you think people are been fed or want to believe considering there is some information/reports of people discussing solutions?
I think if people focused and discussed more on solutions and less on blame we would go a lot further in preventing these sort of things happening.

 

[Frank Bunn]

I'm more interested in what the data say.

How about what someone from the South Sudanese community says.

As a South Sudanese man who personally knows and mentors members of youth gangs in and out of prison, I firmly believe we have a major issue among young South Sudanese people in Melbourne.

After watching the horrendous and appalling behaviour committed by my fellow South Sudanese youth in the past few weeks, I am furious – and in total disbelief – to hear our top cop and government officials say there are no Sudanese gangs in Melbourne.

It is a fact that South Sudanese are overrepresented in crime statistics and are causing great harm and fear across communities in Melbourne.​

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/w...e-s-how-we-can-tackle-it-20171230-p4yy4p.html

 

[Frank Bunn]

Deportation? How, we are talking about Australian citizens.

Dual citizens can be deported.

34 Revocation by Minister—offences or fraud

(2) The Minister may, by writing, revoke a person’s Australian citizenship if:

(a) the person is an Australian citizen under Subdivision B of Division 2 (including because of the operation of section 32); and

(b) any of the following apply:

(i) the person has been convicted of an offence against section 50 of this Act, or section 137.1 or 137.2 of the Criminal Code, in relation to the person’s application to become an Australian citizen;

(ii) the person has, at any time after making the application to become an Australian citizen, been convicted of a serious offence within the meaning of subsection (5);​

http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdb/au/legis/cth/consol_act/aca2007254/

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

an all-in brawl, which lasted more than an hour

Yeah, nah.

 

[Bleeeeeeeeep]

Dual citizens can be deported.

34 Revocation by Minister—offences or fraud

(2) The Minister may, by writing, revoke a person’s Australian citizenship if:

(a) the person is an Australian citizen under Subdivision B of Division 2 (including because of the operation of section 32); and

(b) any of the following apply:

(i) the person has been convicted of an offence against section 50 of this Act, or section 137.1 or 137.2 of the Criminal Code, in relation to the person’s application to become an Australian citizen;

(ii) the person has, at any time after making the application to become an Australian citizen, been convicted of a serious offence within the meaning of subsection (5);​

http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdb/au/legis/cth/consol_act/aca2007254/

Whats this mean?

Serious offence

(5) For the purposes of this section, a person has been convicted of a serious offence if:

(a) the person has been convicted of an offence against an Australian law or a foreign law, for which the person has been sentenced to death or to a serious prison sentence; and

(b) the person committed the offence at any time before the person became an Australian citizen.

Christ, reading just a little bit of that did my head in.
I am sure there are ways but i reckon a good lawyer would be able to challenge.

Anyway, how do we go about preventing these crimes from happening?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Triads from China, Vietnamese drug gangs, Italian dope growers. We've been here before haven't we?

And we get through it or get used to it

 

[A Cut Above]

Deport them like we do to the Kiwis.

We can't deport anyone with dark skin, that's racist.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Those other groups had task forces set up to shut them down.

Now it would be racist. So we sit back and do nothing.

Far better to let violent groups think themselves invincible than to actually do something about the problem.

I suspect they are setting up or using similar task forces just not being public until they get some wins

 

[Frank Bunn]

Whats this mean?

Serious offence

(5) For the purposes of this section, a person has been convicted of a serious offence if:

(a) the person has been convicted of an offence against an Australian law or a foreign law, for which the person has been sentenced to death or to a serious prison sentence; and

(b) the person committed the offence at any time before the person became an Australian citizen.

Christ, reading just a little bit of that did my head in.
I am sure there are ways but i reckon a good lawyer would be able to challenge.

Anyway, how do we go about preventing these crimes from happening?

Serious offence means a sentence of imprisonment for a period of at least 12 months. But as it states they would have had to commit the offence before becoming an Australian citizen.

Refugees get a permanent residency visa. After four years they can apply for citizenship. So the revocation of citizenship could apply to some of these thugs.

 

[HairyO]

I suspect they are setting up or using similar task forces just not being public until they get some wins

After how many years? I'd say they are doing nothing and will continue to do nothing until the police get involved in the politics.

 

[Bleeeeeeeeep]

Serious offence means a sentence of imprisonment for a period of at least 12 months. But as it states they would have had to commit the offence before becoming an Australian citizen.

Refugees get a permanent residency visa. After four years they can apply for citizenship. So the revocation of citizenship could apply to some of these thugs.

Cool. some, how many, if any.

Again, whats the solution/s?
We are to pre-occupied with after the fact, why don't we put in as much effort to preventing these crimes and making sure politicians are correctly funding the GOOD services available.

 

[Patrick Bullet]

How about what someone from the South Sudanese community says.

As a South Sudanese man who personally knows and mentors members of youth gangs in and out of prison, I firmly believe we have a major issue among young South Sudanese people in Melbourne.

After watching the horrendous and appalling behaviour committed by my fellow South Sudanese youth in the past few weeks, I am furious – and in total disbelief – to hear our top cop and government officials say there are no Sudanese gangs in Melbourne.

It is a fact that South Sudanese are overrepresented in crime statistics and are causing great harm and fear across communities in Melbourne.​

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/w...e-s-how-we-can-tackle-it-20171230-p4yy4p.html

You mean one guy's opinion? Nah - I'm after actual data.