Prediction Michael Barlow

[hey shorty]

I don't want him, he is not a bad player but not having him will force us to play some of our other players.

This is the way I see it. If we didn't contract Thommo, and a guy like DMac wasn't in the side at the end of the year then I could see it.

My fear is we see him as a free swing. Still think he will end up at a Victorian club.

 

[Sanders]

We had built our list, and managed contracts, to target 2017/2018.

Then danger left.

So do we get ready to go additions to maximise our chances by trying to finish top 4?
Or do we target more time for organic growth?

Im still unclear on our priorities. No one said its bust - its just very clear 17/18 was the intent when walshy and fages started 2015.

I tell you what I think, being very serious for a minute

Since 2014, and arguably since 2012 we've been forced to be a very reactive club. Tippett, Trigg, Sack Sando, Walsh, Danger, Pyke, Noble

There had as always been a situation to be dealt that forced us to react on the fly and prevented proper planning. There was always something and we relied on the quality, wit and capability of our best people

This year, was pretty much the first year we had stability and a proper run at it.

I reckon we've become an organisation that doesn't know how or has forgotten how to plan and strategise

We clearly don't have any coherent planning cycle or strategy to guide our decision making or mediate between conflicting priorities. That is the opposite of elite it is chaotic

The Gibbs thing was all "gee pa, watch me catch da wabbit" and "duh pa, wabbit gone & moved he did"

The absence of windows in which can you make a meaningful difference to your prospects means your decision making has to be spot on, crisp & decisive.

It wasn't and it has cost us.

Teams set out years before a schedule on when to peak, and they build towards that.

Our time was now.

This failure to plan has put us back 5 years, maybe more because if we can't rise quickly whilst our movers and shakers still have prime juice in the tank then our curve has just elongated significantly more than that.

It's not just 1 trade cycle we messed up, we did it in an Olympic year. We've been building towards this and all the work in recent years to that effect has gone to waste

The debate about why we don't have a coherent strategy or guiding plan is a different conversation altogether

That a significant proportion of our supporter base are trump like in their fanatical belief in whatever we say, no matter how far fetched, isn't helping us stay focused or disciplined though

 

[hey shorty]

I don't think we've put ourselves back 4 years, but potentially 1 or 2. The opportunity was there and we shat the bed, but that doesn't mean its gone totally.

Football seasons very rarely go totally to script. For instance no one saw the Dogs winning the flag, and almost everyone to a man in the media had us slipping big time off the back of losing one player. It will take more than 'organic growth', we need 4 or 5 guys to jump out and perform above said growth curve.

We also need everyone else to keep to the standards of this year at the very least. Can JJ kick another 50-60 goals, can Eddie continue to defy all logic ?? Does Sloane have another stellar year ??

I think we are a mid short, probably 2 and that will hurt us. We stuffed up this trade period but I'm of the opinion we can still make a run at it.

Michael Barlow however, isn't the answer.

 

[Bovo]

I don't want him, he is not a bad player but not having him will force us to play some of our other players.

Yeah I have come round to that too. We have kids in the backline who have reached good heights, kids in the forward. Now it is time for a kid or two in the mid. Time to grow your backyard, Crows. Time to grow your own.

 

[dylan123]

I don't want him, he is not a bad player but not having him will force us to play some of our other players.

Probably be player - whoever comes in for Lyons. Thompson, Mackay and Douglas will probably all remain in the side.

Douglas mightn't be so bad if he could reclaim his form but he really should have had a big year this year with the loss of Dangerfield but he instead went backwards.

 

[CrowHop]

Gibbs averages 393 metres gained a game, Barlow 256 . Kicking longer compared to dinky kicks will always lead to lower disposal efficiency. We already have enough mids with low metres gained in the Crouch boys.

Barlow has 2 more contested possessions a game.

You don't think Gibbs is quicker than Barlow? Not by much but he is.

Barlow isn't close to being a replacement for Gibbs.

You felt the need to explain that? Most of us would agree with you.


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[Big Gazoongas]

Wouldn't get too carried away here

Reid/noble will do the recommending to the board and also layout what they think it will cost

I think we agree then.

Sure they do the ground work and put together a recommendation and present that for approval. Their actions to either get a trade done or not is based on this approval.

 

[crowsup]

Yeah I have come round to that too. We have kids in the backline who have reached good heights, kids in the forward. Now it is time for a kid or two in the mid. Time to grow your backyard, Crows. Time to grow your own.

I may be a glass half full guy but, apart from organic growth this year, we lost "the best player" in the comp and we brought in? Who were the players we traded in last year that allowed us to finish top 5?
I'm not saying that this is the reason but what if the club did not want to give away 2 first picks this year because they intent giving two away next year?
Until the VFL allowed Geelong to give up 3 first rounds in 3 years, nobody thought it was allowed. Or do we think the club should tell us who they intent to give away two first rounds for?

 

[Grenville]

I tell you what I think, being very serious for a minute

Since 2014, and arguably since 2012 we've been forced to be a very reactive club. Tippett, Trigg, Sack Sando, Walsh, Danger, Pyke, Noble

There had as always been a situation to be dealt that forced us to react on the fly and prevented proper planning. There was always something and we relied on the quality, wit and capability of our best people

This year, was pretty much the first year we had stability and a proper run at it.

I reckon we've become an organisation that doesn't know how or has forgotten how to plan and strategise

We clearly don't have any coherent planning cycle or strategy to guide our decision making or mediate between conflicting priorities. That is the opposite of elite it is chaotic

The Gibbs thing was all "gee pa, watch me catch da wabbit" and "duh pa, wabbit gone & moved he did"

The absence of windows in which can you make a meaningful difference to your prospects means your decision making has to be spot on, crisp & decisive.

It wasn't and it has cost us.

Teams set out years before a schedule on when to peak, and they build towards that.

Our time was now.

This failure to plan has put us back 5 years, maybe more because if we can't rise quickly whilst our movers and shakers still have prime juice in the tank then our curve has just elongated significantly more than that.

It's not just 1 trade cycle we messed up, we did it in an Olympic year. We've been building towards this and all the work in recent years to that effect has gone to waste

The debate about why we don't have a coherent strategy or guiding plan is a different conversation altogether

That a significant proportion of our supporter base are trump like in their fanatical belief in whatever we say, no matter how far fetched, isn't helping us stay focused or disciplined though

Beautifully said mate. It's critical that we get Noble's replacement right - a Phil Walsh quality leader who can come in with a clear vision and take charge of the football department with eyes on 2018

 

[dude316]

we need a welcome Michael Barlow thread

How much would you pay Michael Barlo?w

 

[Captain Morgan]

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How much would you pay Michael Barlo?w

id pay him three fiddy

 

[feenix67]

We are nowhere near uncompromising enough to get anywhere near contending for a decade

We should've offered Patrick 1.5 million.

We let our midfield walk out the door.

Maybe he still would've left. At least we would've had an uncompromising crack at contending. Imagine if we had the brownlow medalist this year...unstoppable

Then we had a chance to at least fill part of the hole in our midfield. Gibbs would've cost pick 13 and a future first in the late teens.

But we couldn't decide if we were contending or building. So we compromised.

Got him locked and loaded then chickened out of pulling the trigger.

We should've delisted Thommo. Waste of a list spot.

But we were too confused about whether we are a contender or a career pathways provider for good mates.

So we compromised and did nothing.

Our off field reminds me of the state liberal party. They are just generally incompetent, insular and have no clue how to get to the top despite a lot of things going in their favour. The efforts of a handful of very talented people come to nought, suffocated by the overwhelming malaise of incompetence, compromise and low expectations. The lack of leadership and direction is crippling.

If ypure going to quote my Crowcast rant, at least put me in the credits

 

[azza77]

Barlow is recorded on a stats site as having better disposal efficiency and wins more contested possession. Gibbs gets a lot of outside ball. Quicker? thats a big call.

Are you serious? Gibbs isn't even that quick and he would beat Barlow in a 100m sprint by the length of the Flemington Straight.

So sick of all the negativity on this board.....

Maybe we are negative because the prospect of recruiting an old, sluggish inside midfielder who cannot kick to save his life is the most putrid of list management decisions, given the wealth of young and untried talent we have on our list. That's not even mentioning the fact that we traded a young, very capable midfielder who actually performed this year for absolute peanuts.

 

[azza77]

If Michael Barlow is the answer we're asking the wrong question.

Old, slow, plodding accumulator with average disposal. Sheesh.

****ing tell me about it. The fact the club/some are even considering it simply mind boggling.

 

[Rear Admiral]

No to Barlow, we need pace.

 

[Rear Admiral]

by the length of the Flemington Straight.

LMFAO!

 

[mattymac]

If ypure going to quote my Crowcast rant, at least put me in the credits

Ha! Sorry I haven't crowcasted for a while. My enthusiasm is a bit shattered since the west coast, Sydney, Gibbs trilogy. Must be a case of great minds I'll give it a listen though I don't mind a decent rant. Was this on the latest CrowCast?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

All this talk about Michael Barlow however is there any confirmed interest?

I would be surprised if GC don't offer him a Stevie J type of contract

 

[crowsup]

Are you serious? Gibbs isn't even that quick and he would beat Barlow in a 100m sprint by the length of the Flemington Straight.

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Exaggerating much? As Flemington's strait is 1200 metres, Barlow would have to run very fast in the wrong direction to be beaten by the that much.

 

[FR0GGY]

We are really setting the bar low with this one.

 

[feenix67]

Ha! Sorry I haven't crowcasted for a while. My enthusiasm is a bit shattered since the west coast, Sydney, Gibbs trilogy. Must be a case of great minds I'll give it a listen though I don't mind a decent rant. Was this on the latest CrowCast?

Yep last Tuesdays.

 

[1970crow]

They won 4 games and dropped him, maybe twice I think.

Not all clubs just pick their best 22 to win the points that weekend. Some clubs, not ours, accept that they're not in contention and will blood a few players throughout the year at the expense of known quantities, even though the side may drop off a bit because of it.

 

[Tex200]

All this talk about Michael Barlow however is there any confirmed interest?

I would be surprised if GC don't offer him a Stevie J type of contract

Nothing confirmed - just some media speculation

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The question is does Barlow offer more than a very late pick or grigg, Shaw or hendo for the balance of our squad?

I don't see him as 1st choice player & we must persist playing younger fringe players, but his experience as a backup to injuries would be more useful than the others I listed.

 

[dylan123]

Would clearly offer more than those guys but it comes back to where we see ourselves as a team.

Are we challenging this year or in the next couple? If so, go for it. If not, those games are better spent on the rest of our team to determine which of our other players are capable of playing at afl level.