Prediction Michael Barlow

[marty36]

Just don't understand club in not picking up Barlow as it would have been pick 102 or something like that.
I can see this board going into meltdown as it becoming clearer that Thompson will be playing most if not all games as key inside mid.
Just don't understand especially when getting rid of Henderson when only getting pick 102 for.
Every man and dog knows our weakness was in the mids , so we make it worse by getting rid of one of the starting mids and doing nothing to replace him and Thommo.

It's not he pick it's the 3 or 4 year contract he probably wants. Look over the road at their long term contract issues

 

[MRB37]

Just don't understand club in not picking up Barlow as it would have been pick 102 or something like that.
I can see this board going into meltdown as it becoming clearer that Thompson will be playing most if not all games as key inside mid.
Just don't understand especially when getting rid of Henderson when only getting pick 102 for.
Every man and dog knows our weakness was in the mids , so we make it worse by getting rid of one of the starting mids and doing nothing to replace him and Thommo.

Whether it's right or wrong I think they've at least shown they have a long term plan (I hope at least!) and while they may consider deviating from it (Gibbs trade, Barlow offer etc) the one thing they won't do is sacrifice the ability to carry out that long term plan in order for a short term gain. If Barlow wants a deal that lasts past '18 then that's $ taken up that we'll potentially need for re-signing a host of players who are coming out of contract then.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not sure we have any players (bar Greenwood) who could turn into that player currently on our list IMO - someone who is tough, tackles well, wins clearances and contested ball, marks well and has hurt factor in his disposal. This is why I'm so keen on Venables.

Menzel, Milera and Hampton have traits that just have to be used on the outside (i.e. when in space) - Menzel has the defensive toughness and tackling, but that doesn't mean he's best suited on the inside, you need your outside mids to tackle, too.

Totally agree on the bolded paragraph ........re Menzel, i was one of the few who said Menzel wouldn't play many games if at all in 2016, but i also said 2017 was his year

Menzel throughout 2016 developed (was being developed) the ability to go get the ball, rather than wait outside to receive .......IMO he's made huge strides in the contested ball area, but has another 50-60% growth & development still left b4 season 2017

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It's not he pick it's the 3 or 4 year contract he probably wants. Look over the road at their long term contract issues

This ! .......IMO Adelaide had first dibs on Barlow, and has been trumped by Gold Coast with a longer, bigger contract

That's fine IMO ......no use a player, especially a DFA coming only for monetary purposes versus team success

The motivation has to be right by the player ......and the club has to be happy with the package the player brings ......one door closes / another opens

 

[Danger in Texas]

Totally agree on the bolded paragraph ........re Menzel, i was one of the few who said Menzel wouldn't play many games if at all in 2016, but i also said 2017 was his year

Menzel throughout 2016 developed (was being developed) the ability to go get the ball, rather than wait outside to receive .......IMO he's made huge strides in the contested ball area, but has another 50-60% growth & development still left b4 season 2017

Agree that Menz developed that 'see ball, get ball' attitude, and also agree that he has even more growth in him. Just because he's got that ability to win the contested ball doesn't mean he should play as an inside mid, though. It should be used as another string to his bow, if anything - IMO he'll be best used in space, weaving his way through traffic to either pin-point a player on the lead in our forward 50 or kick a goal himself.

 

[marty36]

Totally agree on the bolded paragraph ........re Menzel, i was one of the few who said Menzel wouldn't play many games if at all in 2016, but i also said 2017 was his year

Menzel throughout 2016 developed (was being developed) the ability to go get the ball, rather than wait outside to receive .......IMO he's made huge strides in the contested ball area, but has another 50-60% growth & development still left b4 season 2017

If he can play like his bro, he could be anything we want him to be for adelaide from a. Mid to a super strong half forward, no reason why he can't

 

[1970crow]

What I do see is CEY is still on our list albeit perhaps for only 1 more season....Lyons is not on our list.....too obvious for you?

Lyons was offerred a contract that would have outlasted CEY's current deal and quite possibly at a higher, not significantly, value.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Agree that Menz developed that 'see ball, get ball' attitude, and also agree that he has even more growth in him. Just because he's got that ability to win the contested ball doesn't mean he should play as an inside mid, though. It should be used as another string to his bow, if anything - IMO he'll be best used in space, weaving his way through traffic to either pin-point a player on the lead in our forward 50 or kick a goal himself.

Agree for 2017 at least ....which makes Menzel the obvious Lyons replacement playing HHF with stints in the midfield

Make no bones the midfield clearances are not all about brawn .......that nippy player with the quick first few mtrs, and great step is sometimes even more potent than just the brawn .......Menzel has that speed and step that could make him an asset in close

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If he can play like his bro, he could be anything we want him to be for adelaide from a. Mid to a super strong half forward, no reason why he can't

I agree .....it's all between the ears now ......attitude and hunger, the talent has been clear, in too few snippets

 

[WaynesWorld19]

This ! .......IMO Adelaide had first dibs on Barlow, and has been trumped by Gold Coast with a longer, bigger contract

That's fine IMO ......no use a player, especially a DFA coming only for monetary purposes versus team success

The motivation has to be right by the player ......and the club has to be happy with the package the player brings ......one door closes / another opens

Can i just add to this comment .......if the club was hell bent on getting Barlow ...they could have bought him !!!!

 

[Danger in Texas]

Agree for 2017 at least ....which makes Menzel the obvious Lyons replacement playing HHF with stints in the midfield

Make no bones the midfield clearances are not all about brawn .......that nippy player with the quick first few mtrs, and great step is sometimes even more potent than just the brawn .......Menzel has that speed and step that could make him an asset in close

As I've said, what worries me is that we'll only have 3 players who's best position is as an effective inside mid. Maybe four, if Dougie can return to his form of 2015. Big if, though.

Wait and see on Menz playing in the guts I guess, IMO he just doesn't scream either 'workhorse', 'big bodied' or 'explosive' like many inside mids do, I guess.

 

[marty36]

Can i just add to this comment .......if the club was hell bent on getting Barlow ...they could have bought him !!!!

In the words of Roo, they won't sell the farm for anyone

 

[WaynesWorld19]

As I've said, what worries me is that we'll only have 3 players who's best position is as an effective inside mid. Maybe four, if Dougie can return to his form of 2015. Big if, though.

Wait and see on Menz playing in the guts I guess, IMO he just doesn't scream either 'workhorse', 'big bodied' or 'explosive' like many inside mids do, I guess.

Look, if you don't have a big bodied midfielder, then you don't, and have to have a plan "B" midfield ......that's probably going to have speed over brawn

Betts in the few midfield contests he attended was actually very successful, with his speed over the first 5 mtrs and agility .......i'm just saying Menzel brings similar

He's a bonus ........hoping Greenwood can step up ......i agree with Vader though, that after 5 years on the list, it's hard to see CEY anymore than a Lyons foot-soldier

 

[Vader]

What I do see is CEY is still on our list albeit perhaps for only 1 more season....Lyons is not on our list.....too obvious for you?

Only difference is that CEY had a contract for 2017, while Lyons' contract expired this year.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

In the words of Roo, they won't sell the farm for anyone

And that's what i love about the club ATM .....staying the course

Remember in our desperation to find a KPF (pre-Carey) ......Adam Richardson, Barry Standfield, & Evan Hewitt ..........so desperate, we tried anybody and wasn't quality conscious with our trades

 

[Danger in Texas]

Look, if you don't have a big bodied midfielder, then you don't, and have to have a plan "B" midfield ......that's probably going to have speed over brawn

Betts in the few midfield contests he attended was actually very successful, with his speed over the first 5 mtrs and agility .......i'm just saying Menzel brings similar

He's a bonus ........hoping Greenwood can step up ......i agree with Vader though, that after 5 years on the list, it's hard to see CEY anymore than a Lyons foot-soldier

Reckon if Menz is to play mainly inside, he's going to have to put on some muscle to cope with the ferocious tackling and tackling effort of a number of inside mids. Reckon this takes away from his elusiveness, though, hence why I think he's best used on the outside.

Agree with the bolded, though.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Reckon if Menz is to play mainly inside, he's going to have to put on some muscle to cope with the ferocious tackling and tackling effort of a number of inside mids. Reckon this takes away from his elusiveness, though, hence why I think he's best used on the outside.

Agree with the bolded, though.

You'll be surprised that at 187cm and 85kg's .....Menzel would be our biggest midfielder

 

[Danger in Texas]

Reckon if Menz is to play mainly inside, he's going to have to put on some muscle to cope with the ferocious tackling and tackling effort of a number of inside mids. Reckon this takes away from his elusiveness, though, hence why I think he's best used on the outside.

Agree with the bolded, though.

Another point on Menzel... this is all assuming he learns to accumulate. If he can average around 20 disposals a game, he can be this type of player. Otherwise, he's very much a forward. You don't want players averaging 10 disposals a game through the midfield (which is what Menz has done in the past, mind you this is because he's been more of a permanently deep forward when at Carlton). I'm confident he'll raise it, though.

 

[Danger in Texas]

You'll be surprised that at 187cm and 85kg's .....Menzel would be our biggest midfielder

I knew he was that tall, but shit 85kg? I'm not giving him enough credit

 

[simmo97]

Barlow has been linked to a number of AFL clubs since his delisting, and there was strong speculation he was heading to the Adelaide Crows, but WAtoday understands the deal fell over.

http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/frema...a-home-on-the-gold-coast-20161107-gsjk0p.html

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Another point on Menzel... this is all assuming he learns to accumulate. If he can average around 20 disposals a game, he can be this type of player. Otherwise, he's very much a forward. You don't want players averaging 10 disposals a game through the midfield (which is what Menz has done in the past, mind you this is because he's been more of a permanently deep forward when at Carlton). I'm confident he'll raise it, though.

That's fitness & repeat efforts

 

[Stiffy_18]

Lyons is better than Kerridge and Wright. This is without doubt.

Lyons will never be more than a very nice component of an inside midfield brigade. But that's the role he played for us, and he played it very well - better than what he was traded for would suggest.

Hampton, Knight, Menzel and Seedsman will never play the role Lyons plays. They will never be the clearance-winning types (bar possibly Knight, but he's too good as an outside player to me). Hence, we're putting faith into CEY, Thompson and a bunch of unproven guys in the short term. Those unproven guys may well become proven, but by then our forward line won't be the best in the comp anymore due to natural regression.

I am just wondering where was this support for Lyons 2 years ago or even a year ago?

Was his 2016 really that much better than Wright's best year?

Lyons is a handy, solid footballer and this is from someone that has been a fan since we got him. All of a sudden BF thinks he is irreplaceable. Give me a break. There are plenty of more talented players on our list that will get a chance to play and develop because Lyons is not here anymore.

He is nowhere near as good as BF is making him out to be!

 

[Danger in Texas]

I am just wondering where was this support for Lyons 2 years ago or even a year ago?

Was his 2016 really that much better than Wright's best year?

Lyons is a handy, solid footballer and this is from someone that has been a fan since we got him. All of a sudden BF thinks he is irreplaceable. Give me a break. There are plenty of more talented players on our list that will get a chance to play and develop because Lyons is not here anymore.

He is nowhere near as good as BF is making him out to be!

Difference between Lyons and Wright is that we delisted Wright after a less than desirable year. We traded Lyons for a 3rd after a career-best year.

Lyons is a very good 'component'-type mid. Other than Douglas (IF he can get back to previous form, which I'm not confident about), we don't have anyone else that can play that role effectively next year. CEY won't produce as much as Lyons did, IMO. Thommo is cooked. All our other inside mids are still developing. Really hurts our chances for next year if we only have three players who's best position is as an inside mid in our best 22.

 

[Scorpus]

"Barlow came to us at the 11th hour and we weren't willing to entertain his management's unreasonably high price, so we'll go to the draft as planned. We're expecting to see organic growth from our young core of midfielders"

 

[marty36]

"Barlow came to us at the 11th hour and we weren't willing to entertain his management's unreasonably high price, so we'll go to the draft as planned. We're expecting to see organic growth from our young core of midfielders"

Or

Barlow came to us and wanted a 4 year contract, but we couldn't tie the club to such a contract for a player of that vintage