Hot Topic Michael Voss - Coaching in 2026. Should he remain beyond that?

[jj1978]

Geelong could afford to have JM as cream to their list, knew exactly he'd be good for 12-15 games, the X-factor they might need to go beyond another pre-lim. Carlton on the other hand required more than cream, we need consistent players on the park at our current point in time. These last how many years of having zero consistency across all lines due to injuries needs to be remedied.

 

[gab213]

I can't believe people still are highlighting these things as signs of problems at the club.

Martin plays his regulation 10/23 home games for the season at Geelong, a luxury that Geelong, with its depth and quality of list, can afford to carry.

Kennedy, as much as I really liked him at Carlton, wasn't a locked-in member of the team, and his transfer led us to recruiting HOF, I dare say we will be considering that a big win for us in the future.

TDK gone only because he was offered at least a million dollars a season more than he was worth, per year, for 8 years. He would been ceazy to stay and not cash in.

SOS is getting paid at least 50% higher than what he's shown himself to be worth. No brainer for him moving considering he's not one to be available to play all the time either.

We would have torn the club apart if the club had matched either of those insane offers.

If Charlie leaves, he will be the only one to actually leave that we could have prevented leaving that we would have preferred to keep. Even then, if we get a good enough deal we'll be okay.

So much before the mass Exodus due to the players hating the coach. I'm sure there's a bit of trolling going on in some of the recent posts in this thread as well as a large dose of catastrophising.

 

[bourbons]

I'm sure there's a bit of trolling going on in some of the recent posts in this thread as well as a large dose of catastrophising.

Happily put my hand up and admit I'm the later lol

They've utterly bottled it imo, completely wasted the best top end talent we've had for 3 decades coz they couldn't recognise the way the game was going and build a functional side around the key pieces.

Full rebuild and another decade in the wilderness incoming imo

 

[JustaBattler]

I can't believe people still are highlighting these things as signs of problems at the club.

Martin plays his regulation 10/23 home games for the season at Geelong, a luxury that Geelong, with its depth and quality of list, can afford to carry.

Kennedy, as much as I really liked him at Carlton, wasn't a locked-in member of the team, and his transfer led us to recruiting HOF, I dare say we will be considering that a big win for us in the future.

TDK gone only because he was offered at least a million dollars a season more than he was worth, per year, for 8 years. He would been ceazy to stay and not cash in.

SOS is getting paid at least 50% higher than what he's shown himself to be worth. No brainer for him moving considering he's not one to be available to play all the time either.

We would have torn the club apart if the club had matched either of those insane offers.

If Charlie leaves, he will be the only one to actually leave that we could have prevented leaving that we would have preferred to keep. Even then, if we get a good enough deal we'll be okay.

So much before the mass Exodus due to the players hating the coach. I'm sure there's a bit of trolling going on in some of the recent posts in this thread as well as a large dose of catastrophising.

Some people search for deep issues and quote 'inside knowledge' to post on public forums when a list underperforms expectations. Sometimes the deep issues are as simple as the list just not good enough - and by sometimes I mean 100% of the time.

However this stark reality is less digestible to some - easier to point fingers at a one person and scapegoating them ...

game plan ABCD - too defensive, too stubborn, doesnt coach kicking skills, too attacking blah blahblah...players dislike them - - throw enough mud and you have a nice dirty wall to reference as a Rosetta Stone.

the circularity of these 'opinions' reflects the mindset of the persons who continue to push this line - no point in engaging really.

 

[gab213]

Happily put my hand up and admit I'm the later lol

They've utterly bottled it imo, completely wasted the best top end talent we've had for 3 decades coz they couldn't recognise the way the game was going and build a functional side around the key pieces.

Full rebuild and another decade in the wilderness incoming imo

Just hang in there, mate, I don't think it'll take a decade.(I can no longer afford to think in terms of decades, lol) I hope you will be pleasantly surprised with where we are in a couple of years.

 

[bourbons]

Just hang in there, mate, I don't think it'll take a decade.(I can no longer afford to think in terms of decades, lol) I hope you will be pleasantly surprised with where we are in a couple of years.

Cheers mate, hope so too

 

[JustOneTime]

Martin’s stats this year pretty much mirror that of his career…….
If he plays the next two finals he meets his games per season average of 13 throughout his career.
Statistically all other indicators line up closely with career averages.
Let’s not let narrative cloud facts here.
If Jack & Geelong get through the next two games and snag a flag, if Jack gets through another pre-season, if Jack plays 16-18 games next season and his career averages reflect career best numbers…..
Then kudos should be given to both Jack & Geelong for turning things around.
Until then, it’s just hyperbole.
Don’t let facts be clouded by bullshit. Data doesn’t lie.

Data does lie.

Martin was rushed back many a time not fit or ready to stand the rigours of the game. Geelong built him up slowly to be ready for finals. Martin was def rushed back for one of the indigenous games just so he could play because it looks great to have an aborigine player out there for marketing.

It is the intangibles that are important here. One club is simply more professional across the board. We are forced to lump that lack of professionalism at Carlton. You can stay quiet and accept mediocrity if you want because that is what it is here.

 

[JustOneTime]

I can't believe people still are highlighting these things as signs of problems at the club.

Highlighting because they are critically important. Motlop and Curnow are two more considering leaving (probably stay like motlop, probably go in curnows case).

Look across the AFL landscape right now. You are either a destination club or a flailing carcass club to feed on.

If we have struggle year next year then im sure another key player will see the writing on the wall and 'want' to leave. And think of this...50% of the game now is turnover goals which typically start of defence. Our defence dont run/overlap or handball recieve anywhere near to the right level let alone kick well. Going well im 2026 isnt even a chance. JSoS was the best kicker/decision maker out of defence.

How did Carlton get to a point to see Curnow just want to leave. The guy is mentally empty but he has come up with a notion to leave.

It is the professionalism of the club to not let this happen. Like in Carlton's history its never happened.

Keep your eyes open to the current landscape. We are being circled and players enticed away. In their place we are filling up spots with list cloggers out of sheer desperation.

Bombers and Carlton are paying a price for either what the coach or players delivered. I think coaching group but a lot of here think players.

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Data does lie.

Martin was rushed back many a time not fit or ready to stand the rigours of the game. Geelong built him up slowly to be ready for finals. Martin was def rushed back for one of the indigenous games just so he could play because it looks great to have an aborigine player out there for marketing.

It is the intangibles that are important here. One club is simply more professional across the board. We are forced to lump that lack of professionalism at Carlton. You can stay quiet and accept mediocrity if you want because that is what it is here.

I believe you’re being selective.
I’ll stick with what the data says across 12 seasons
Geelong have gotten no more out of Martin this year than in his previous 11 seasons
I’ve outlined a criteria whereby what you are suggesting could be reasonably argued.
Nowhere near that yet.

 

[JustOneTime]

I believe you’re being selective.
I’ll stick with what the data says across 12 seasons
Geelong have gotten no more out of Martin this year than in his previous 11 seasons
I’ve outlined a criteria whereby what you are suggesting could be reasonably argued.
Nowhere near that yet.

I agree i'm hyping a little bit ...but cant you just see Martin kicking the winning goal in the grand final. Would be ****ing rediculous!

 

[Revenant1995]

I agree i'm hyping a little bit ...but cant you just see Martin kicking the winning goal in the grand final. Would be ****ing rediculous!

If it's against Pies or Hawks, that would be OK... but getting back to Voss... hoping we can bring in some quality assistants...

 

[Accidental genius]

If it's against Pies or Hawks, that would be OK... but getting back to Voss... hoping we can bring in some quality assistants...

Will wait to see which quality assistant(s) will want to work with Voss as head coach.

 

[blue healer]

Will wait to see which quality assistant(s) will want to work with Voss as head coach.

I think this is maybe the biggest waiting game we will have this off season.

I reckon only an extreme optimist would give Voss any better than a 50% chance of having his contract extended so the question is: what do we offer the type of assistants many think he needs?

If there's uncertainty about the coach going forward how do we offer potential assistants anything more than a one year contract when it's likely that a new coach may be appointed and that person will, undoubtedly want to bring in his preferred assistants?

Which sought after assistants are going to accept a one year deal to leave a club that has been successful, stable and that they feel comfortable at to face the uncertainty we're likely to offer.

The last point I'd make is that Voss has struggled to manage our team over 4 years, is he capable of managing a whole new batch of middle managers?

I don't see it being easy to oversee a lot of direct reports who are new to the club.

 

[HarryFlashman]

I believe you’re being selective.
I’ll stick with what the data says across 12 seasons
Geelong have gotten no more out of Martin this year than in his previous 11 seasons
I’ve outlined a criteria whereby what you are suggesting could be reasonably argued.
Nowhere near that yet.

You’re right, they haven’t got much more out of him, but what you’re missing is they are getting the most out of him, at the right time, when he’s playing.

Having him fit and firing when it counts, is what’s important- looks like they have done that.

You are never going to have every player firing all season, but having good players fit & in form at the pointy end of the season is what player management is all about.

It’s called having a well managed & coached side, understandable that it’s a foreign concept to us - it’s been a long long time since we’ve seen it

 

[Accidental genius]

You’re right, they haven’t got much more out of him, but what you’re missing is they are getting the most out of him, at the right time, when he’s playing.

Having him fit and firing when it counts, is what’s important- looks like they have done that.

You are never going to have every player firing all season, but having good players fit & in form at the pointy end of the season is what player management is all about.

It’s called having a well managed & coached side, understandable that it’s a foreign concept to us - it’s been a long long time since we’ve seen it

Big difference in professionally run clubs.

We have mostly been scrounging around to try and get as many H&A wins as possible in any which way we can and hence bringing in players still not fully recovered and also bringing them straight back into seniors without a run in the VFL side.

Whereas the likes of Geelong are mostly thinking about setting up their seasons to win finals because they are so confident of making the top 8 each year.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Big difference in professionally run clubs.

We have mostly been scrounging around to try and get as many H&A wins as possible in any which way we can and hence bringing in players still not fully recovered and also bringing them straight back into seniors without a run in the VFL side.

Whereas the likes of Geelong are mostly thinking about setting up their seasons to win finals because they are so confident of making the top 8 each year.

100% & they also have depth to bring in “youth” when necessary & drop them into the cauldron & they stand up.

Lot to be said for good management & having a system that’s proven & reliable

 

[jaggabagga]

Some people search for deep issues and quote 'inside knowledge' to post on public forums when a list underperforms expectations. Sometimes the deep issues are as simple as the list just not good enough - and by sometimes I mean 100% of the time.

However this stark reality is less digestible to some - easier to point fingers at a one person and scapegoating them ...

game plan ABCD - too defensive, too stubborn, doesnt coach kicking skills, too attacking blah blahblah...players dislike them - - throw enough mud and you have a nice dirty wall to reference as a Rosetta Stone.

the circularity of these 'opinions' reflects the mindset of the persons who continue to push this line - no point in engaging really.

What a bizzare post. What were the club expectations at the start of the year? Can you remember back that far??
The list seemed to be good enough to declare top 4 aspirations then by the club.
I'm not buying this latest spin, it's always all very conveniant.
Industry analysts explained it in black and White how our coaches overreacted, tinkered and fluffed the whole thing.
The easier option is what you put forth, because it's the popular one now, the one with no accountability on the club whatsoever.

 

[JustaBattler]

What a bizzare post. What were the club expectations at the start of the year? Can you remember back that far??
The list seemed to be good enough to declare top 4 aspirations then by the club.
I'm not buying this latest spin, it's always all very conveniant.
Industry analysts explained it in black and White how our coaches overreacted, tinkered and fluffed the whole thing.
The easier option is what you put forth, because it's the popular one now, the one with no accountability on the club whatsoever.

thanks for sharing M7

 

[Gavstar]

Club is desperately trying to re-write history to avoid the perception that this season was an absolute failure under Voss

 

[JustaBattler]

Club is desperately trying to re-write history to avoid the perception that this season was an absolute failure under Voss

yep they hired a new CEO and new Head of Football and sacked most of the assistant coaches as part of their 'rewriting history' plan.

 

[branedotorg]

Club is desperately trying to re-write history to avoid the perception that this season was an absolute failure under Voss

I don't particularly love Voss, I was also concerned that his leadership was irredeemable after a very poor season BUT I'm happy with the way this change has been actioned so far.

Too player lead, too individually focused, too conditional.

A massive change of culture was needed and it looks to be a good start.

 

[JJBagger]

Club is desperately trying to re-write history to avoid the perception that this season was an absolute failure under Voss

lol every aspect of the club is being overhauled. That’s hardly an endorsement of the season

 

[Baxter Wolf]

Time will tell. I'm not confident he's got what it takes, but I reckon we have done the right thing in letting him see his contract out.

 

[GT619]

Time will tell. I'm not confident he's got what it takes, but I reckon we have done the right thing in letting him see his contract out.

agreed. if he fails with better help around him. at least we know he's not up to it himself

 

[Soapy V]

I have my doubts about Voss and a few months ago I thought he was gone. That was the feeling internally

I have been asking why he was kept and a few things have arisen as to why

Wright has been appalled by standards and culture at club (I have as well. My biggest frustration) and had some frank discussions with Voss as to why he has allowed it or not tried to improve it. Feeling is Voss was always coaching for his future and didn’t want players off side. Gets too close and allows senior players to get away with things

Wright has now told him he wants him to go hard and set standards. Do that and we will back you. There will be no grey areas on expectations or requirements from everyone. Davies has supported this as well. It’s why players like EH, McGovern and possibly Charlie have been let go. Lloyd as well

This was presented to the board

Bottom line is Wright believes we are “soft” and with Davies and Voss will focus on this. Wins and game style are important but this seems to be main focus and Voss is clear on what he needs to do from here on