Mini Draft - WCE a strong contender

[Eastern Rangers]

Going by Nisbett's press conference, the boys are a very tight knit group and they don't really want to lose anyone. Agree that unless Brown wants to leave we'll keep him.

I wouldn't read much into comments made so shortly after the season's finished. Adelaide went into the 2011 trade period raising questions about how the mini-draft process worked. The season review hadn't happened as it's a length process, recruiters are still working on ranking prospective draftees and are feeling out trade options.

We all agree it's improbable but im suprised at how negative some people are at the prospect of improving our list, this club once had balls.

 

[pantskyle]

Move heaven and earth to get that big lad.

 

[sTeeL]

We all agree it's improbable but im suprised at how negative some people are at the prospect of improving our list, this club once had balls.

Improving our list is bullshit if it means giving up premiership chances for the next 3-4 years. Losing our sole remaining KPD with Glass on the verge of finishing is stupidity at its best. Having balls doesnt equal being stupid.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Improving our list is bullshit if it means giving up premiership chances for the next 3-4 years. Losing our sole remaining KPD with Glass on the verge of finishing is stupidity at its best. Having balls doesnt equal being stupid.

Mitch Brown equals premiership in the next 3-4 years gotcha. Perhaps you should ring Hawthorn and tell them they can't win this years flag without a genuine mature KPD, because that's what they are on their way to doing.

My position hasn't changed through the years. Draft and develop, it's just this one case that the mini-draft presents us with a rare oppotunity to get a leg up on other sides.

When we bring in Wellingham and we find ourselves sitting on three flags in four years time and LeCras and Hurn are facing the last few years of there great careers with premiership glory don't tell me i told you so.

 

[sTeeL]

Hawthorn's defence holds up because their midfield deny supply. They would be exposed if it ever came to actual defending continuously like our back half has to. Especially on any team that had 2-3 talls up forward.

And I did say premiership chances. Not premiership.

 

[The Dodger]

Hawthorn's defence holds up because their midfield deny supply. They would be exposed if it ever came to actual defending continuously like our back half has to. Especially on any team that had 2-3 talls up forward.

And I did say premiership chances. Not premiership.

That was the case last year. They have held up well this year with ball still coming in a fair bit.
But in that statement you are also saying that we can get away with an undersized defence if the ball doesn't get down there. So maybe that is the answer; less reliance on good KD's and put more effort into the midfield?

 

[sTeeL]

Getting a minidraft pick thatll impact the game in 5 years wont matter then either will it.

 

[Agent93]

If we give up Brown to GWS as a trade for a mini-draft pick... who says we can't fill that role elsewhere? Sheesh, it's not like we're restricted to one trade. Trade Brown to GWS, find someone else to fill the hole. Simple.

 

[sTeeL]

KPD are big ticket items. Your suggesting we go pick up Silvagni or someone equally as shit? Shoulda kept Wilkes in that case.

 

[Sammy J]

I'd probably do the trade of Brown for pick 1 or 2 in the mini draft.

I rate Brown, think he'll be a solid defender, but I think he is replaceable - our team does not look likely to be able to pickup early draft picks in the near future. Could we not groom big Fraser McInnes to be a CHB? Assume he puts a bit of weight on and he could be solid. MacKenzie is already playing on the competitions best forwards, and that's likely to continue.

We need midfield pace - while the pick won't pay immediate dividends next season, neither will Brown in all likelihood - assuming that he'll spend another 3/4rs of the year in the WAFL anyway.

 

[Agent93]

KPD are big ticket items.

We have 3 that play ahead of Brown currently. Brown is a gap filler.

Top 5 draft picks are also big ticket items, which is essentially what the mini-draft picks are. Top 5 picks a year early. We can then use this big ticket item to help cover our greater needs. Our midfield could use a boost, or perhaps we could pick a young KPF/D who has a much greater ceiling than Brown.

I'm suggesting we leverage Brown's 'value' and bring in another gap filler. Keeping Brown runs the risk of him becoming disgruntled behind the 3 existing players and then leaving when his contract expires. Of course no-one know how happy he is here playing 8 games a season.

 

[The Dodger]

We have 3 that play ahead of Brown currently. Brown is a gap filler.

Top 5 draft picks are also big ticket items, which is essentially what the mini-draft picks are. Top 5 picks a year early. We can then use this big ticket item to help cover our greater needs. Our midfield could use a boost, or perhaps we could pick a young KPF/D who has a much greater ceiling than Brown.

I'm suggesting we leverage Brown's 'value' and bring in another gap filler. Keeping Brown runs the risk of him becoming disgruntled behind the 3 existing players and then leaving when his contract expires. Of course no-one know how happy he is here playing 8 games a season.

Also which the chance to move him on for a mini draft pick would be gone.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

We need midfield pace - while the pick won't pay immediate dividends next season, neither will Brown in all likelihood - assuming that he'll spend another 3/4rs of the year in the WAFL anyway.

Why the hell would he be spending 3/4 years in the WAFL? He's a direct replacement for Glass, who will in all likelyhood finish up at the end of next year

 

[The Dodger]

Why the hell would he be spending 3/4 years in the WAFL? He's a direct replacement for Glass, who will in all likelyhood finish up at the end of next year

I think he said 3/4ths of the year

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Mitch Brown equals premiership in the next 3-4 years gotcha. Perhaps you should ring Hawthorn and tell them they can't win this years flag without a genuine mature KPD, because that's what they are on their way to doing.

My position hasn't changed through the years. Draft and develop, it's just this one case that the mini-draft presents us with a rare oppotunity to get a leg up on other sides.

When we bring in Wellingham and we find ourselves sitting on three flags in four years time and LeCras and Hurn are facing the last few years of there great careers with premiership glory don't tell me i told you so.

Why do people use this argument?

Hawthorn have a different defensive setup and overall gameplan. We aren't Hawthorn, lose a KPD and we can't suddenly just play like them. They play to their strengths, which are different to ours. FFS.

They also still field 3 KPD when possible, Stratton, Shoenmakers and Gibson.

Please never use this argument again.

 

[mattyc75]

whichever way you look at it brown for all the promise he has shown is nowhere near a top 5 pick and barring injury wont get much gametime next year.
if we can get a youngster rated in the top few in aus for a backup KPD go for it and draft a KPD this yr and also seek 1 in a trade as a stopgap.
we will likely have glass for 1 more year,maybe 2.will brown last that long on our list?

 

[DivideandMultiply]

whichever way you look at it brown for all the promise he has shown is nowhere near a top 5 pick and barring injury wont get much gametime next year.
if we can get a youngster rated in the top few in aus for a backup KPD go for it and draft a KPD this yr and also seek 1 in a trade as a stopgap.
we will likely have glass for 1 more year,maybe 2.will brown last that long on our list?

You can't trade Brown against his will.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

You can't trade Brown against his will.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Why do people use this argument?

Hawthorn have a different defensive setup and overall gameplan. We aren't Hawthorn, lose a KPD and we can't suddenly just play like them. They play to their strengths, which are different to ours. FFS.

They also still field 3 KPD when possible, Stratton, Shoenmakers and Gibson.

Please never use this argument again.

That wasn't my argument and Stratton and Gibson are both sub 190cm defenders.

And FWIW our defensive structure is very similar to Hawthorn, the biggest difference is our midfielders and forwards don't zone off anywhere near as much. It makes the task of playing as a single defensive unit easier for Hawthorn and allows them to pick more offensive defenders.

So the argument remains that the loss of a non starting lock down defender will compromise the near non existant chance that we will win a premiership over the next few years?

 

[sTeeL]

compromise the near non existant chance that we will win a premiership over the next few years?

Your a ray of sunshine lately?

 

[DivideandMultiply]

That wasn't my argument and Stratton and Gibson are both sub 190cm defenders.

And FWIW our defensive structure is very similar to Hawthorn, the biggest difference is our midfielders and forwards don't zone off anywhere near as much. It makes the task of playing as a single defensive unit easier for Hawthorn and allows them to pick more offensive defenders.

So the argument remains that the loss of a non starting lock down defender will compromise the near non existant chance that we will win a premiership over the next few years?

They also play Stephen Gilham (when fit and needed).

That is a key difference though, they use midfield numbers to more choke effective supply and often use a third man over the top to spoil when the ball comes in long, then with a number of speedy elite kicking good ground level players, sweep the ball from the BP/HBF.

We rely more on our talls to either neutralise 1v1 targets, or a strong contested marking player like Waters, Hurn or Glass can fill the hole. Brute strength, height and marking ability is the hallmark of our defence, not numbers, ground level ability and elite pace+kicking.

There are some similarities, but also glaring differences. Asking us to suddenly go short and play a similar defensive brand as Hawthorn, would be like asking another club to go overly tall in the forward line much like WC. Yeah there are some clubs with a slightly similar forward structure, but try to mimic us with most lists tall cattle and it would work out badly.

People aren't saying the loss of Brown will cost us a premiership, they are saying losing a mature key defender without replacing him could, if we have get a couple of KPD injuries.

Big difference.

 

[the harry]

whichever way you look at it brown for all the promise he has shown is nowhere near a top 5 pick and barring injury wont get much gametime next year.
if we can get a youngster rated in the top few in aus for a backup KPD go for it and draft a KPD this yr and also seek 1 in a trade as a stopgap.
we will likely have glass for 1 more year,maybe 2.will brown last that long on our list?

In defence of Brown, he was pick 16.

But fact is he's half way through his career at the Eagles almost (been on the list 6 seasons now) managed 50 games and hasn't shown all that much, particularly when you consider how highly he's rated.

 

[mattyc75]

yep as i said "is" nowhere near a top 5 pick ,not "was".
i think if brown stays on our list he will be a handy player.we will still need to draft a KPD this year regardless.
but if you are talking about getting a potential star who will team up with darling,gaff and co for the next 10 or 12 years its a no brainer.it doesnt look like we will be getting any high draft picks anytime soon

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Brown or no Brown if we get a couple of injuries to KPD's we will still need to modify our structures.

 

[eagles rule]

Getting a minidraft pick thatll impact the game in 5 years wont matter then either will it.

wouldn`t be 5 yrs maybe 2.5 yrs including missing all of 2013 and being ready to play in 2014 .There is a reason these players are taken early because besides being standouts for their age ,they have talent and confidence to believe they are very good players ..