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I agree with some of that GF but Sunline won a Doncaster at 3.
She was not asked to run in a Cox Plate(until she was ready) or an Oaks.

They arent machines as you well know,in the long run I think her owners greed may cost her achieving bigger goals.Time will tell.

seth
 
sethlad said:
I agree with some of that GF but Sunline won a Doncaster at 3.
She was not asked to run in a Cox Plate(until she was ready) or an Oaks.

They arent machines as you well know,in the long run I think her owners greed may cost her achieving bigger goals.Time will tell.

seth
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yes they arent machines and the reason that they are racing her so much now is because, being a broodmare they will want retire her after her 4 year old season or when her form tapers off. why keep racing her when she can throw foals that will sell for millions?

i dont think sunline had as many tough runs as mf in her 2 and 3 yr old seasons. agree?
 
I dont see how anything she does now can enhance her value.
If she fails as a 4yo,it wont effect her broodmare value but it will tarnish her reputation.Just another star 3yo that didnt go on.

No doubt Sunline had less asked of her at 3.She certainly wasnt asked to race from 1200-2500m.
Thats probably why she was still improving at 4 & brilliant at 5yo.

seth
 

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Almost Famous said:
Dont waste your time Seth. The Miss Finland brigade are the same ones who talk up the champion 3yo filly every year. They go on and on about how she is going to be the next immortal of the turf. The fact that they havnt been right since Sunline in 1998 doesnt stop them. My advice to you would be to continue to lay her on betfair (as I do ) every time she steps out in open group 1 company. You will finish well ahead if you do.
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Oh isnt that cute. Almost Famous has made a friend. Its easy to say why a horse shouldn't be rated highly, I could distort facts and make any horse racing now look average. What does a horse have to do to be rated so highly by you 2 experts? I know open G1 is your mecca but she has defeated soundly recent open G1 winners so come up with something else or if I'm right with Seth ask someone to come up with something for you.
 
sethlad said:
I dont see how anything she does now can enhance her value.
If she fails as a 4yo,it wont effect her broodmare value but it will tarnish her reputation.Just another star 3yo that didnt go on.

No doubt Sunline had less asked of her at 3.She certainly wasnt asked to race from 1200-2500m.
Thats probably why she was still improving at 4 & brilliant at 5yo.

seth
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Yeah thats whats John Messara and the other owners want. They are short for a dollar. They are all about looking after the horse and achieving as much as they can at the same time while adding to the reputation of Redoute's Choice.

Sunline wasn't asked to run 2500 because she couldn't and never was able to in her career. Thats why she wasn't asked to. Sunline did get to 2040m at 3 though and she certainly wasnt under raced.

Still feel silly thinking Singo part-owned MF sethy?
 
Miss Finlands luck may just have run out, I think He's No Pie Eater is the real deal, he is a tough big thing and is proven at WFA. We might for the 1st time see a horse outkncukle Miss Finland. This will be her greatest test thus far.
 
sethlad said:
I dont see how anything she does now can enhance her value.
If she fails as a 4yo,it wont effect her broodmare value but it will tarnish her reputation.Just another star 3yo that didnt go on.

No doubt Sunline had less asked of her at 3.She certainly wasnt asked to race from 1200-2500m.
Thats probably why she was still improving at 4 & brilliant at 5yo.

seth
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Seth,
If she can account for He's No Pie Eater and co. on Saturday will your opinion change? He is an open class Gr 1 winner two starts ago. That will then make it 2 open class Gr 1 winners in her last two starts she has accounted for. While she still won't have done it herself it would seemingly prove she has the talent to do it. And if you ever needed confirmation she could do it, I think Gorky Park's close-up third in the BMW on Saturday was it. I don't know David Hayes from a bar of soap, but I'm pretty sure he thinks Gorky Park wouldn't get within a bull's roar of Miss Finland.
 
When you answer the question DJ,you may be taken seriously???
Where did I say Singleton owned her?
Not only cant you read,apparently you know what I was thinking too.

Mmm,not sure P22.I believe,as I said that she has only 1 more thing to prove.
Whats the advantage of her again beating 3yo's,she's already beaten colts.
I dont believe any of it will enhance her reputation,the gap in her record will always be there until she does it IMO.

GF,it's not about being popular.Hype doesnt make it right.

seth
 
sethlad said:
He aint silly,if she was the world beater that this board thinks she is,why wasnt she in Dubai like Singleton & Jones wanted her to be?
Youre correct about one thing,he knows his horse.



seth
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This is where you imply that Singleton part owns her. Why would you mention him in the same sentence as a part owner in Jones?

Does this answer your question again genius?
 
sethlad said:
When you answer the question DJ,you may be taken seriously???
Where did I say Singleton owned her?
Not only cant you read,apparently you know what I was thinking too.

Mmm,not sure P22.I believe,as I said that she has only 1 more thing to prove.
Whats the advantage of her again beating 3yo's,she's already beaten colts.
I dont believe any of it will enhance her reputation,the gap in her record will always be there until she does it IMO.

GF,it's not about being popular.Hype doesnt make it right.

seth
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Get a clue. If she defeats He's No Pie Eater who has recently defeated Desert War and Eremein in an open G1 surely you can admit she is of Open G1 standard. That is simply how punters analyse form and is undeniable. You are correct about hype. However how that relates to Miss FInland only you know. 5 group 1's including the Golden Slipper, Thousand Guineas, Cadbury Guineas and the Oaks and will probably add the Derby is no hype mate. Couple these results(not hype) with an unlucky Cox Plate run and even you must admit she's the real deal.
 
Look,if you're gunna be a smartarse,at least be good at it.
I implied that Singleton owned her,did I?
You just kept it going,never let the facts get in the way.

"I would love to see Miss Finland race overseas,and I really mean that" Singleton said."Theres nothing left for her in Australia to prove"

www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21422944-32343,00.html

Thats ok though,I'm sure he actually meant what you were thinking.
Buffoon,stick to learning to read,then try comprehension,it will really help.

seth
 

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HeLMie said:
No im not talking about MA even though she was brilliant, but my attention here is on Miss finland - What a freak - Me and many others were adament the only reason Haradasun got near MF last year was because of her being first up with a wool winter coat and today proved a fit Miss Finland is far superior...

Whilst ont he same race, Haradasun obviously dissapointing, and even Efficient i though he was the main danger at the 300 but just didnt seem to goon with the run what are peoples thoughts.....

Also very unlucky was Marasco, to see pompie get such an easy run would break the heart of Marasco connections, marasco deserved that and the other 2 races he has run in Melbourne....

Last note would be go you mighty Filly Miss finland...

Oh might i add was very impressed with GE run, did not expect her to be so competitive, i wonder what the result wouldve been had Oli been able to get the lead... Seemed to kick real well and only just get run down...

ALso was it just me or was Caulfield slightly biased today, on pacers seemed to be a go, and thois was emphasisd when the highly likely Anamato (a renowned backmarker) was just off the pace sitting a pretty 4th or 5th....
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I'm fairly new to horses but I started about the same time as Miss Finland did... she is a fantastic horse indeed. Has also lined my pockets with a lot of money.

I've never understood why the punters have been 'soft' when it comes to getting on her. i.e. In the derby for example I think she was about equal favourite with Tuesday Joy at $2.50... that was fantastic money.

and yet on every other race they havent really run it into the low odds, like the extremes of where she should be. My view is this horse came 5th(?) in a COX PLATE... then its stepping back into these other races which arent even against horses close to that class.

Maybe there is no logic there... I'm not trying to prove anything, she just keeps winning.
 
sethlad said:
Look,if you're gunna be a smartarse,at least be good at it.
I implied that Singleton owned her,did I?
You just kept it going,never let the facts get in the way.

"I would love to see Miss Finland race overseas,and I really mean that" Singleton said."Theres nothing left for her in Australia to prove"

www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21422944-32343,00.html

Thats ok though,I'm sure he actually meant what you were thinking.
Buffoon,stick to learning to read,then try comprehension,it will really help.

seth
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So you back a quote thats completely contradicts your whole argument. You say she should have gone to Dubai cause Singo said it, yet the second sentence is very interesting for me and very sad for you. "Nothing left for her to prove in Australia" Singo says, but wait sethlad reckons she does have something to prove- you keep banging on about an open group 1 and she's all hype until she wins one. But then again you know better than Hayes and Singleton. :confused:

Game, set and match you absolute thief of air. :thumbsu:

See if you can pick up the Dummies guide to racing, might help you out if you can someone to read it to you, maybe mummy at bed time.:o
 
Surprised you have no knowledge of the relationship between Jones & Singleton,given your ability as a mindreader DJ

The discussion point is :Did I say Singo owned her....Answer.......NO
Did you say I did...........Answer...........YES

The only person who got OWNED is you..........
Spin it all you like,use as many smilies as you need to,game over.

Come back when you can punch at your own weight newbie
BWAHAHAHA!!!!

seth
 
go fullta said:
hey almost famous, who was the last 3yr old to win 5 group ones ranging from 1000m-2500m!! yes thats right, the last horse was sunline so, to me she has the score on the board.
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Hey go fullta,
can you please tell me the 1000m group 1 that Miss Finland has won? Could you also tell me the 2500m group 1 that Sunline won?

Youd think people would check basic facts when trying to make their argument.
 
sethlad said:
Surprised you have no knowledge of the relationship between Jones & Singleton,given your ability as a mindreader DJ

The discussion point is :Did I say Singo owned her....Answer.......NO
Did you say I did...........Answer...........YES

The only person who got OWNED is you..........
Spin it all you like,use as many smilies as you need to,game over.

Come back when you can punch at your own weight newbie
BWAHAHAHA!!!!

seth
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You did indeed imply that he owned her when you mentioned Jones and Singo with the same opinion. Now you find a quote where Singo said it and think that it covers your lack of knowledge- Doesnt cut it, I see through it. Yes Jones works for Singo's station and that has to do with what?

It's your turn to answer a question, but I doubt you will as it proves your stupidity. Singleton says she has nothing to prove here. Comments sethy? Or are you only going to agree with half of the quote that sort of, in some twisted way backs you up?

I see you can make yourself laugh and that might be handy for a loner like yourself. Do people not hang around you because you claim to have knowledge in areas you clearly do not. It takes people like me to challenge you and show up your lack of real knowledge. Your statements regarding weight for age, times, Makybe Diva and now Miss Finland show you are a recent racing fan that hear something that sounds intelligent and passes of theories like they're your own. I've met plenty like you and no doubt will meet many more.

For me to punch at your weight I'd have to have my entire knowledge of horse racing wiped from memory.

You are typical of the recent convert to racing that thinks Makybe Diva is the greatest horse ever and have never heard of past champions. Do some research, come back, apologise and maybe we can have a civil conversation. But, dont bother typing seth at the end of every post- every time I start to read ill-informed garbage I know its you anyway.

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Yawn,cant you ad a few smilies to keep me interested.
Go back to whatever forum youve been laughed off.
Bigfooty P Board is above your crap

seth
 
sethlad said:
Yawn,cant you ad a few smilies to keep me interested.
Go back to whatever forum youve been laughed off.
Bigfooty P Board is above your crap

seth
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;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

I'll ask it again. I see why you wont answer it though. You'd love it if I left, no one to then call you on your lack of knowledge.

Repeat.

"It's your turn to answer a question, but I doubt you will as it proves your stupidity. Singleton says she has nothing to prove here. Comments sethy? Or are you only going to agree with half of the quote that sort of, in some twisted way backs you up?"

C'mon answer it and let me win.
 
Stay as long as you like........do you know what everyones thinking?
You seem to think you know a lot of what goes on here
What a knowledge base too.
What a skill you have.... but Im bored with people who just wanna fight & get personal.My views here are clear,despite what you ASSume & imply.

Whats hard to understand about that?

seth
 
Very, very amusing using the capitals at the start of ASSume. Oh the comedy. How on earth do you keep coming up with that gold.

Just answer the question.

"It's your turn to answer a question, but I doubt you will as it proves your stupidity. Singleton says she has nothing to prove here. Comments sethy? Or are you only going to agree with half of the quote that sort of, in some twisted way backs you up?"
 
Still avoiding the question I see. If I was you I wouldn't answer it either. I'd say its too late though buddy as you do still look silly whether you answer it or not. Good luck next time...... have you thought of harness racing. Might be your go.
 

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