Mojo's Moronic Draft Thread

[OZBomb]

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Interesting observations on Higgins, however, would you say that Higgins is more likely to make it than Pendlebury?

I still remember Adam Chatfield as the 188 centimetre player we drafted who was the quickest at draft camp a few years back.I'm not comparing Chatfield's football ability to Pendlebury's but it sounds like Dejá Vu and I want a footballer at 20.

Pendlebury has played well in most games I've seen him play.

Danyle Pearce impressed at the camp, but not with his football, last year and ended up getting picked up by Port and playing well near the end of the year.

It's not an exact science.

 

[Pivot]

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Hughes, McKinley, Lucy and Muston will slide IMO. Maybe past pick 20. Bower should be taken earlier than Lucy with the WA teams keen on a local boy who can play as a key defender. His attitude to improving is excellent, just what you want in a KPP.

Hughes is rated a 20-30 pick by SA recruiting staff. McKinley should be early I would hope but might slide. Muston will go later IMO purely because of his knee injury. Lucy is a little overrated by most but could surprise simply due to his size.

Blues would be crazy to pass up on Swallow. If Hurn and he both available at pick 4 that would be a nice dilemma - happy with either of those two.

Ryder=risky, Kennedy=now a risk, Dowler=risky, Ellis=we have Walker/Russell to develop, Drum=risky. These are only my opinions for a top 4 pick from the CFC point of view. Would be happy if the Blues took Clark at 4, big beat-up about his attitude.

 

[Blue70]

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Hughes, McKinley, Lucy and Muston will slide IMO. Maybe past pick 20. Bower should be taken earlier than Lucy with the WA teams keen on a local boy who can play as a key defender. His attitude to improving is excellent, just what you want in a KPP.

Hughes is rated a 20-30 pick by SA recruiting staff. McKinley should be early I would hope but might slide. Muston will go later IMO purely because of his knee injury. Lucy is a little overrated by most but could surprise simply due to his size.

Blues would be crazy to pass up on Swallow. If Hurn and he both available at pick 4 that would be a nice dilemma - happy with either of those two.

Ryder=risky, Kennedy=now a risk, Dowler=risky, Ellis=we have Walker/Russell to develop, Drum=risky. These are only my opinions for a top 4 pick from the CFC point of view. Would be happy if the Blues took Clark at 4, big beat-up about his attitude.

Paddy prior to the Carnival I would have been keen on Clark also however he showed nothing in the games I saw. He looked very disinterested and lacked grunt which is an important component - we need players with a good attitude.

I am hearing alot about Swallow but there is this real question mark over his kicking, who would he compare to in the AFL? We just de-listed David Clarke who had good pace, was tough and ran the lines but could not kick for crap and look what ended up with him! How bad is Swallows kicking?

 

[theorangeapple]

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I am hearing alot about Swallow but there is this real question mark over his kicking, who would he compare to in the AFL? We just de-listed David Clarke who had good pace, was tough and ran the lines but could not kick for crap and look what ended up with him! How bad is Swallows kicking?

There is a technical flaw in Swallow's kicking which the AFL clubs hoped/presumed would be rectified in this year (after being overlooked last year). From what I have gathered, this flaw has not been rectified. This view was substantiated by an interview with the Saints RM John Beveridge. I dont think Swallow's kicking is that bad, it has been over analysed. Its not to the point where you would see him in a game and think Mark McGough. He is capable of producing more than adequate foot skills but his kicking can let him down. In my view, I dont think Swallow would be worth of pick 4. I think he will go in the teens.


PS. Top stuff Mojo. Impressive thread.

 

[pinkus maximus]

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Yeah great read Mojo. This should be on the Draft Board

 

[Scham]

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Mojo, got a feeling Freo might go for Pendlebury at 10.

i've read all you've written about Pendlebury, sounds good,but would pick 10 be too early for him do you think?

 

[mojo31]

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Cypher,

you asked for some information on Matt Laidlaw and Jake Edwards on the draft board.

I wrote something up as I am watching the cricket.



Matthew Laidlaw.

HBF/Midfielder with more endurance


Good package. Oakleigh Chargers player just like Marc Murphy and Beau Dowler. Seen him play quite a few times.
The first thing I noticed was that he really improved as the year went on. Was playing down back earlier on and did a few nice things the first time I saw him but just did his job.
Saw him again a few weeks later and noticed the same thing. Good closing speed when his opponent lead for the ball but again did not really contribute much.
Then saw him about a month later and started back and moved into the midfield and looked a different type of player. Checked his number to be sure he was the same player to be honest. Took a big grab and started to carry the ball and impose himself a lot more on the game.
Then in another game he scooped the ball up cleanly off the wet ground and was about to be crunched as he was bent over and fired out a handball and wore the brunt of it and did not flinch. Very impressed with that as it was done 10 meters away from me.

So a good mark and a nice mix of being able to win the contested ball and also use it as a link player as well. Runs to good positions on the ground and has a good bit of poise with the ball when clear and also when under pressure.

I could see him being a decent half back flanker and play tall as well as provide good attacking run as well.
Did not play the whole season with Oakleigh and has his studies and private school commitments. In the same boat there as Xavier Ellis and would not be exposed to the same level of coaching, training and fitness work as others.

Tested very poorly at draft camp for the endurance testing (beep test and 3km run). I would imagine with full time training on an AFL list he will improve that immensely and will need to if he wants to be an AFL midfielder.

He is very top aged and will be 19 before the start of the next AFL season. If he gets his aerobic capacity up he will be a very good chance of becoming a good AFL player. Does have to be taught where to run to get the ball or to do the team things as he has all of that already. Skills are fine and with his marking ability he will cause a few problems matching up on if he can play in the midfield.




Jake Edwards

3rd Tall up forward or back

On the information I have it has Edwards as 192cms and not 191. Bottom aged and still likely to grow some more.
Is a bit of the the in betweens of a flanker/KPP size. Good athlete who moves well and presents hard for the ball when up forward and plays tight and man on man when saw him down back.
If he grows some more he has a real chance to make it as a tall forward. I don’t think so as a KPP but more as a floating type who needs a tall opponent to match him with his leap and strength over head. Think Brad Fisher.
But just like Brad Fisher he also is not a great kick and that hurts him from moving right up in the draft.

Would look at him for pick 36 but prefer a few others at the moment. Has the athletic ability to make it though. Like him as a forward but with his kicking he may have to play back which does not take advantage of his best attributes.

 

[mojo31]

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Mojo, got a feeling Freo might go for Pendlebury at 10.

i've read all you've written about Pendlebury, sounds good,but would pick 10 be too early for him do you think?

Not really. 10 is not that early. I had him at 18 a while ago but from 10 to 20 they are all very even.

For starters Pendlerbury is not 188cms he is 189.8 cms at draft camp and being bottom aged will quite likely grow some more.

So now he is a 6 foot 3 player who moves like a midfielder. Got a good leap and really huge hands. With the fact he has more upside tham most with only playing football full time for 1 year. Looking at a real utility who could develop into an Andrew Embley type of matchup nightmare with finding the right player with pace and aerial skills to go with him.
Might even grow into a KPP or a full forward. There is nothing lacking in his athletic ability or football skills which would prevent him playing anywhere on the ground.
Just the question on whether he develops as it is expected or his attitude of being a bit laid back due to his natural gifts and does the minimum required.

As far as Fremantle goes I would consider pacy midfielders who have the ability to break the lines or a true KPP player who will allow Pavlich and McPharlin to play forward.

So if Dowler, Clark, Kennedy and Ryder are gone at pick 10 then I pass on the other talls left and go for in order

Swallow - leadership. Clearances and real speed. Tough. Local boy who has the inside and outside game. The kicking should be okay now and has improved a hell of a lot since last year. Got the right attitude and will do the team things and is suited to the Subiaco wide open spaces. Will complement the slower Carr, Haselby and Bell.

Pheiffer - will provide the defensive pressure the Fremantle need. Others are purely ball winners and if it is not going there way get exposed. Pheiffer will tackle and chase as well as anyone in the draft. Has a good AFL ready type body which will be able to compete. Can hurt going the other way and will play tight and close and allow for Haselby and others to be more offensive. Good in the air to make up for the lack of height of Schammer, Bell and others.

Oakley-Nicholls- not 186 as listed on Footydraft but now 188. Bottom aged and could really be anything. Great pace and agility as shown in his testing. Local boy with X Factor. Light but would be great running of the half back line at Subiaco and running opponents into the ground. Then as he develops should move into the midfield and wing and be very creative. Good mark and will not be easy to match up on.

So for pick 10 I would be choosing

1 of Clark, Kennedy, Dolwer or Ryder if they are still there. If not I would look at Swallow, Pheiffer or Oakley-Nicholls. Pendlebury would come after those 3.

Having said that I would take Pendlebury before Higgins and a few others who are likely to be available.

 

[mojo31]

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Anybody got anyone else they want a bit of a write up on then feel free to ask and will get around to writing something on them when I can.
Carlton supporters and anyone else is also welcome.

 

[Silvagnis]

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Cypher,

you asked for some information on Matt Laidlaw and Jake Edwards on the draft board.

I wrote something up as I am watching the cricket.



Matthew Laidlaw.

HBF/Midfielder with more endurance


Good package. Oakleigh Chargers player just like Marc Murphy and Beau Dowler. Seen him play quite a few times.
The first thing I noticed was that he really improved as the year went on. Was playing down back earlier on and did a few nice things the first time I saw him but just did his job.
Saw him again a few weeks later and noticed the same thing. Good closing speed when his opponent lead for the ball but again did not really contribute much.
Then saw him about a month later and started back and moved into the midfield and looked a different type of player. Checked his number to be sure he was the same player to be honest. Took a big grab and started to carry the ball and impose himself a lot more on the game.
Then in another game he scooped the ball up cleanly off the wet ground and was about to be crunched as he was bent over and fired out a handball and wore the brunt of it and did not flinch. Very impressed with that as it was done 10 meters away from me.

So a good mark and a nice mix of being able to win the contested ball and also use it as a link player as well. Runs to good positions on the ground and has a good bit of poise with the ball when clear and also when under pressure.

I could see him being a decent half back flanker and play tall as well as provide good attacking run as well.
Did not play the whole season with Oakleigh and has his studies and private school commitments. In the same boat there as Xavier Ellis and would not be exposed to the same level of coaching, training and fitness work as others.

Tested very poorly at draft camp for the endurance testing (beep test and 3km run). I would imagine with full time training on an AFL list he will improve that immensely and will need to if he wants to be an AFL midfielder.

He is very top aged and will be 19 before the start of the next AFL season. If he gets his aerobic capacity up he will be a very good chance of becoming a good AFL player. Does have to be taught where to run to get the ball or to do the team things as he has all of that already. Skills are fine and with his marking ability he will cause a few problems matching up on if he can play in the midfield.




Jake Edwards

3rd Tall up forward or back

On the information I have it has Edwards as 192cms and not 191. Bottom aged and still likely to grow some more.
Is a bit of the the in betweens of a flanker/KPP size. Good athlete who moves well and presents hard for the ball when up forward and plays tight and man on man when saw him down back.
If he grows some more he has a real chance to make it as a tall forward. I don’t think so as a KPP but more as a floating type who needs a tall opponent to match him with his leap and strength over head. Think Brad Fisher.
But just like Brad Fisher he also is not a great kick and that hurts him from moving right up in the draft.

Would look at him for pick 36 but prefer a few others at the moment. Has the athletic ability to make it though. Like him as a forward but with his kicking he may have to play back which does not take advantage of his best attributes.

Thanks Mojo and Laidlaw sounds like a great get if he's there at pick 36 with his pace and leap.If we land Bower at 20 then I hope he lasts to pick 36 but I unfortunately I reckon he'll be gone.

I've read another Bluesfans' opinion on Laidlaw and his words were nearly Verbatim of your comments.
Get him Wayne

 

[mojo31]

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Thanks Mojo and Laidlaw sounds like a great get if he's there at pick 36 with his pace and leap.If we land Bower at 20 then I hope he lasts to pick 36 but I unfortunately I reckon he'll be gone.

I've read another Bluesfans' opinion on Laidlaw and his words were nearly Verbatim to your opinion.Get him Wayne

Just depends on the fact he is 1 year older than others and his lack of endurance. He is listed at 49 on Footydraft when I just looked so who knows?
I have him inside my top 30 like I said and would take him at 36 without a hesitation. Taker Bower if Lucy is gone at 20 and if not look at Pendlebury.

1 Murphy
4 Dowler
36 Laidlaw

may as well rename us Oakleigh Chargers.

 

[Scham]

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Not really.

For starters Pendlerbury is not 188cms he is 189.8 cms at draft camp and being bottom aged will quite likely grow some more.

So now he is a 6 foot 3 player who moves like a midfielder. Got a good leap and really huge hands. With the fact he has more upside tham most with only playing football full time for 1 year. Looking at a real utility who could develop into an Andrew Embley type of matchup nightmare with finding the right player with pace and aerial skills to go with him.
Might even grow into a KPP or a full forward. There is nothing lacking in his athletic ability or football skills which would prevent him playing anywhere on the ground.
Just the question on whether he develops as it is expected or his attitude of being a bit laid back due to his natural gifts and does the minimum required.

As far as Fremantle goes I would consider pacy midfielders who have the ability to break the lines or a true KPP player who will allow Pavlich and McPharlin to play forward.

So if Dowler, Clark, Kennedy and Ryder are gone at pick 10 then I pass on the other talls left and go for in order

Swallow - leadership. Clearances and real speed. Tough. Local boy who has the inside and outside game. The kicking should be okay now and has improved a hell of a lot since last year. Got the right attitude and will do the team things and is suited to the Subiaco wide open spaces. Will complement the slower Carr, Haselby and Bell.

Pheiffer - will provide the defensive pressure the Fremantle need. Others are purely ball winners and if it is not going there way get exposed. Pheiffer will tackle and chase as well as anyone in the draft. Has a good AFL ready type body which will be able to compete. Can hurt going the other way and will play tight and close and allow for Haselby and others to be more offensive. Good in the air to make up for the lack of height of Schammer, Bell and others.

Oakley-Nicholls- not 186 as listed on Footydraft but now 188. Bottom aged and could really be anything. Great pace and agility as shown in his testing. Local boy with X Factor. Light but would be great running of the half back line at Subiaco and running opponents into the ground. Then as he develops should move into the midfield and wing and be very creative. Good mark and will not be easy to match up on.

So for pick 10 I would be choosing

1 of Clark, Kennedy, Dolwer or Ryder if they are still there. If not I would look at Swallow, Pheiffer or Oakley-Nicholls. Pendlebury would come after those 3.

Having said that I would take Pendlebury before Higgins and a few others who are likely to be available.

Thanks for that Mojo, very interesting.

 

[Silvagnis]

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Just depends on the fact he is 1 year older than others and his lack of endurance. He is listed at 49 on Footydraft when I just looked so who knows?
I have him inside my top 30 like I said and would take him at 36 without a hesitation. Taker Bower if Lucy is gone at 20 and if not look at Pendlebury.

1 Murphy
4 Dowler
36 Laidlaw

may as well rename us Oakleigh Chargers.

lol and I wouldn't mind drafting three guys that are already teammates.

But I think Bower will be gone and the Eagles would be mad to overlook a prospective tall defender given Parrot's ramblings.

I should have nominated you for the Phantom draft on the draft board, but Carlton's 79Vintage selected Laidlaw at 36 and Weaver picked him at 19 in his phantom draft so he's a smoky like Rusling.

But I still see the potential in a player this young despite his physical limitations.

 

[theorangeapple]

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But I think Bower will be gone and the Eagles would be mad to overlook a prospective tall defender given Parrot's ramblings.

You do realise that if we do draft a tall, Parrot will automatically say he is a dud.

 

[windows]

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Higgins and Jones are more likely to make it then Pendlebury but is the old arguement about upside and physical improvement etc.

Pendlebury like I said has only really had this year where he put football first and foregone basketball.
Had a good year in the TAC and averaged 23 poss a game 5 marks and 5 tackles.

Is young and 188cms and might have a bit left in him. Got the big hands and is an athletic package who tested well at draft camp but it is his form in TAC and the way he plays more so than a beep test that has him rated.

Higgins is also bottom aged but at 183 cms if he grows a little it does not change where he will play.
Pendlebury at 188 could almost be a tall defender or up forward with a little bit of growth.

All hypotheticals but think Pendlebury is a footballer who has some 'freak' about him and should keep improving more after leaving basketball.

Higgins has less scope to improve but is slightly more of a sure thing.

Agree wholeheartedly. Chatfield was a terrible player, really bad fumbler. Pendlebury does not have that problem. Reminds me a bit of Rhys Jones actually. Only concern is what position to play him. Definately not key position or on ball, which leaves only forward flanks and wings. I think that is the main reason he will still be available at 20.

 

[windows]

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Anybody got anyone else they want a bit of a write up on then feel free to ask and will get around to writing something on them when I can.
Carlton supporters and anyone else is also welcome.

What about Douglas? Footyman seems in love with him. What do you think?

 

[frosty1]

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Great read Mojo....

Wayde Mills - what do you think of him?

I've never seen him play, but here's what I've gleaned from numerous sources...
-Good Size at ~195cm
-All Aus as an U18
-Shows good leadership
-Shows good dedication (living in a caravan etc) to getting the best out of himself
-Tested well for speed, and exceptionally for endurance and leap at draft camp
-One of the most consistent contested marks in the draft.
-Somewhat ordinary kick

To me (who knows nothing) this sounds like a very appealing package (particularly if you can fix the kicking). How do you rate him? And what have I missed that sees him behind as many as 10 or 15 KP prospects according to "popular opinion"

Cheers.

 

[Silvagnis]

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Matt White please Mojo31.

I've heard him rated as highly as top 30 or even top 20 earlier this year.

 

[macca69]

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great read mate, should post this on the draft board.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

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My only criticism is you should've titled your thread better...

Nothing moronic about that, good analysis.

Is that better?

Got your mojo working mojo!

 

[blueboy15]

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Mojo how do you rate ainger and sprangher in your opinion which Kp defender is most likely to be the full back/ CHB we are crying out for out of all teh KPP in the draft

 

[Silvagnis]

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1 Murphy
4 Dowler
36 Laidlaw

may as well rename us Oakleigh Chargers.

Did you forget Sammy?

 

[WTTF]

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Mojo,

Terrific thread mate.

Any bottom aged players not mentioned who we might consider doing a 'Raso" on with our last pick?

 

[Salaryman]

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Just depends on the fact he is 1 year older than others and his lack of endurance. He is listed at 49 on Footydraft when I just looked so who knows?
I have him inside my top 30 like I said and would take him at 36 without a hesitation. Taker Bower if Lucy is gone at 20 and if not look at Pendlebury.

1 Murphy
4 Dowler
36 Laidlaw

may as well rename us Oakleigh Chargers.

I think Bower will well and truly be gone before 20

 

[mojo31]

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Is that better?

Got your mojo working mojo!

Sorry ODN.

Prefer Mojo's Moronic Draft Thread.

I am at work now but not doing much as usual so will get to all the questions and post them soon.

Wayde Mills is first up.