Moon landing

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Add me down for one that believes that the moon landing was faked. I am not sure about 911 though, there were first hand accounts of the planes hitting the towers.

The only things I am skepitical about is the pentagon which many believe was a car bomb and the plane that crashed, I believe the plane was shot down and the story was created about how they tried to take control back from the terrorists to cover up the fact that the plane was shot down and to make it easier on the families of the victims.

As for where the moon landing was shot I don't know, if it was fake as I believe then it one of the greatest coverups ever because even the Russian's didnt find out the truth and the USSR knew everything about the US because that is how information got leaked about area 51.

A very interesting book to read is The Day After Roswell, not sure whether it is actually true or not (the writer claims it to be), but it is a very interesting read. The writer is a former army offiicer who claims to have worked for the government and assisted in the reverse engineering of the remaining technology that the Army still had from the Roswell sight (supposedly the air force took most of the craft) and the army had crates of debris stored at a base. For me he seems to hit too many home runs for it to be true IMO, he was apparently there the night of the Roswell crash and saw the bodies and later takes credit for arranging the reverse engineering of and subsequent development of Kevlar, Microprocessors, Fibre Optics, Night Vision.

As interesting as it was, it seemed all a little bit too contrived imo as I said above he seemed to just happen to be in all the right places at the right time and just happened to manage to have everything that the army had in it possession from the crash reverse engineered.

 

[exe ex machina]

Add me down for one that believes that the moon landing was faked. I am not sure about 911 though, there were first hand accounts of the planes hitting the towers.

The only things I am skepitical about is the pentagon which many believe was a car bomb and the plane that crashed, I believe the plane was shot down and the story was created about how they tried to take control back from the terrorists to cover up the fact that the plane was shot down and to make it easier on the families of the victims.

As for where the moon landing was shot I don't know, if it was fake as I believe then it one of the greatest coverups ever because even the Russian's didnt find out the truth and the USSR knew everything about the US because that is how information got leaked about area 51.

A very interesting book to read is The Day After Roswell, not sure whether it is actually true or not (the writer claims it to be), but it is a very interesting read. The writer is a former army offiicer who claims to have worked for the government and assisted in the reverse engineering of the remaining technology that the Army still had from the Roswell sight (supposedly the air force took most of the craft) and the army had crates of debris stored at a base. For me he seems to hit too many home runs for it to be true IMO, he was apparently there the night of the Roswell crash and saw the bodies and later takes credit for arranging the reverse engineering of and subsequent development of Kevlar, Microprocessors, Fibre Optics, Night Vision.

As interesting as it was, it seemed all a little bit too contrived imo as I said above he seemed to just happen to be in all the right places at the right time and just happened to manage to have everything that the army had in it possession from the crash reverse engineered.

It's interesting that you believe the Moon landing was faked, but not 911. Usually, it's the other way around that is more common.

The Moon landing was shot, supposedly, at the Langley Research Center in Virginia. Virginia itself is a very interesting place concerning higher govt and intel operations. In one of the black and white pictures NASA claims was taken from a Moon mission, you can clearly see the ceiling of the Langley Research Center and one its protruding lights in the picture. It's been posted somewhere in this thread.

As for 911, yes planes were involved in the two tower hits, but in the 911 thread going on BF there's a video surveillance camera of the moment of impact of the Pentagon, and it's clearly visible that it was a drone military plane probably carrying a missle. There's plenty of good stuff in that thread to digest...the one Hodge2Franklin started. Also, even if the WTC towers pancaked, which isn't likely, but even if they did, the 47 vertical steel beams would still be standing. You can tell they lied because the Commission itself, being asked this question, lied badly by saying there were no 47 steel vertical beams in the construction. LOL. That's all they could, desperately lie and so very badly. The blueprints and engineers and construction photos all show that there were 47 vertical steel beams.

Anyway...there's plenty of good video and article documentation to read on that in that thread.

As for Roswell. No idea. Area 51 is up to something fishy that's for sure. I wouldn't dare speculate without a shred of anything known about it on the outside world. There was a good book by someone, called Behold A Pale Horse, the guy supposedly an Area 51 insider who published this tell-all book. He got killed not too long after, I think. Anyway, that book is kind of the 'grandady' of all Area 51 and other Top Secret conspiracies. I haven't read it, but supposedly it's a great book.

 

[exe ex machina]

Here's a scientific video documentary from NASA itself talking about the litany of fatal radiation that exists outside the protective layer of the Earth, and how NASA focus hundreds of millions of dollars of research into attempts to simply understand this radiation let alone find ways to actually protect humans from it.

GO TO EPISODE 25
http://video.csupomona.edu/streaming/NASA/nasa_index.html

Note: All Moon Nasa missions, 40 years ago, supposedly succeeded in reaching to the moon and back, using old technology and protection, yet completely protected all its astronauts from radiation....such that not one of them has ever had cancer or debilitating biological problems. Yet, 40 years later, Nasa is spending vasts sums of money and research into understanding and actually attempting to protect humans from fatal/harmful radiation. Why? Because they've never been to the moon.

There are hundreds of quotes in this documentary that amount to Nasa's admittance of such. For instance, for a craft to travel to the moon and protect astronauts inside, the craft's body would have to be so thick it would restrict its basic flying/take-off abilities. There are plenty of red flag quotes in here.

40+ years and ongoing of research into just understanding and ATTEMPTING to find ways to protect from fatal/harmful radiation so that they can go to the moon and mars. Why? Just use your old 60's technology with 100% success rate!

 

[lookkg386]

Some interesting stuff, May have missed someone saying this already but couldn't the arguement be finished by using the best telescopes we have to check that all the equipment left on the moon is there. End of story either way.

 

[exe ex machina]

Some interesting stuff, May have missed someone saying this already but couldn't the arguement be finished by using the best telescopes we have to check that all the equipment left on the moon is there. End of story either way.

Same kind of thing regarding US govt showing multiple camera footage of the Boeing striking the Pentagon. There's a lot of stuff in Moon Landing and 911 and JFK where the withholding or lack of showing something key is fairly indicative of why they don't.

Always open to being proved wrong, and admitting I'm wrong...but at the moment, I'm 100% about JFK, probably 90% about 911, and perhaps 70-30% about moon.

They're the only conspiracies I've bothered to look into.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Moon Landing was the biggest piece of crap ever in history.

I dont understand why people believe it so easily?

The biggest cover up in history.




one thing - if they could supposedly exist earth's atmosphere 40 years ago, but cannot do it now, with all the technology we have today, how did they do it then? Answer that for me someone.

Do you really think that if they landed on the moon, they would not be doing it more often? instead of once in history?

Puh-lease.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Those who think the moon landings were faked are living in denial.

Why is that?

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

I reckon it's fake, nothing adds up by that I mean......The American Flag was gushing but there's no breeze in outer space. How can they catch the rocket blast off the moon. The footage was also too bright.

The Russians said it was impossible to land on the moon because of the dangers involved.

Best. Hoax. Ever.

Carlton adn Collingwood supporters agree!!

 

[Dont be a lemon]

Why is that?

The evidence is extremely overwhelming. To believe otherwise makes one either ignorant or in denial.

 

[Roll Tide]

How come no one has yet tried to read this website...

http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/

Click on the links at the bottom and read each little section. Test your beliefs and preconceptions.

I think these links do a good job of discrediting it. Pay particular attention to JayUtah's posts.
http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy...-moon-sim-pictures-omg-what-do-you-think.html

http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1116692731

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/2921-check-out.html

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/4569-something-confusing-nasa-scam-good-website.html

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/1110-amazed-some-folks-dont-believe.html

http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1179492255

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/3250-nasascam-updated.html



I cordially invite you hoax believers to present your claims here or here.

 

[exe ex machina]

I think these links do a good job of discrediting it. Pay particular attention to JayUtah's posts.
http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy...-moon-sim-pictures-omg-what-do-you-think.html

http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1116692731

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/2921-check-out.html

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/4569-something-confusing-nasa-scam-good-website.html

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-...t-believe.html

http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1179492255

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/3250-nasascam-updated.html

I cordially invite you hoax believers to present your claims here or here.

Cheers for the update. I will read them all asap. Meanwhile, look a few posts above where I linked about a NASA documentary "Episode 25". Watch that and give me your opinions, please.

 

[Roll Tide]

Meanwhile, look a few posts above where I linked about a NASA documentary "Episode 25". Watch that and give me your opinions, please.

My opinion is it's a dull video which I don't have the patience to watch all the way through. Can you direct me to the intervals which you think are suspicious?

By the way, this video has been discussed here starting at post #40. Post #68 is a gem. The opinions of the BAUT members with strong science backgrounds are worth more than mine when it comes to this subject.

 

[exe ex machina]

My opinion is it's a dull video which I don't have the patience to watch all the way through. Can you direct me to the intervals which you think are suspicious?

By the way, this video has been discussed here starting at post #40. Post #68 is a gem. The opinions of the BAUT members with strong science backgrounds are worth more than mine when it comes to this subject.

Well, those forums you pointed me to are definitely worth investing time into. Forums dedicated to all these dicussions and where there's a very calm and reasoned approach to dealing with information, etc. Unlike here where it's just "you nutter" type discussions.

So I'll be reading thru that whole forum a lot more before I add further to this discussion here.

Thanks for pointing me to a good source and forum.

 

[DemonErrol1964 - dees]

I have thought it was a hoax for some time and created so to make America seem advanced in some way.

Back in 1969 technology was very limited, we even had no real sound equipment. Cassette tape recorders were the go.

I dearly would like to believe that it happened , but with all the other scandel's that went on that were covered up like - Marilyn Monroe / Kennedy, 9/11, Weapons of mass destruction, Iraq, and Diana, I'll reserve my decision as a negative.

 

[exe ex machina]

I have thought it was a hoax for some time and created so to make America seem advanced in some way.

Back in 1969 technology was very limited, we even had no real sound equipment. Cassette tape recorders were the go.

I dearly would like to believe that it happened , but with all the other scandel's that went on that were covered up like - Marilyn Monroe / Kennedy, 9/11, Weapons of mass destruction, Iraq, and Diana, I'll reserve my decision as a negative.

That's pretty much how I take it as well. There are far too many true and real conspiracies that have gone on in American history. Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, the Central Bank, Wall St collapse, JFK, Iraq, Patriot Act, North American Union already happening (destruction of the Constitution).

Given that the whole race to the moon was based on Cold War (politics) then that's why it's suspicious from the outset. It's not like some unrelated venture. All the other conspiracies mentioned just above are likewise politically related, power related. The US Govt/Intel lies thru its teeth time and again to cover itself, to convince people, they have the science, the economics, the politics, media and military all to help spin information to make it seem true.

 

[WazzaAC]

The is no-way that the moon landings were faked- and those who do believe it was are pretty gullible. I personally can debunk all the "evidence" that the moon landings were faked.

For instance, if we never landed on the moon, how did we get the mirrors up there? (and no, it wasn't done by robots, the mirrors were to delicate to do this- ie. they would have shattered.)

BTW, a couple of years ago the japanese sent a satellite to map the area of the moon landing sites- to check if the claims were real. If they found anything to the contrary, we would have heard about it.

 

[Dean3]

Do you really think that if they landed on the moon, they would not be doing it more often? instead of once in history?

Puh-lease.

Twelve astronauts have walked on the moon, the last being in 1972.

 

[melbournemartin]

I haven't read much of this thread but some people say "If we walked on the moon, why not just look for the flags and left-over Rovers through a telescope like the Hubble".

The problem is that nothing available can get anywhere near enough clarity to see such detail. Images of the moon from the Hubble are several km or something like that per pixel. I've forgotten the exact numbers but something far from the quality needed.

I thought I'd just add that in. It doesn't do anything to prove the moon landings but it does destroy some so-called 'evidence' of them being a fraud.

 

[deeman12]

IS there any chance they will ever go back. Technology is much better, why cant they go again?

 

[Roll Tide]

IS there any chance they will ever go back. Technology is much better, why cant they go again?

This is about the 7th or 8th time this question has been asked in this thread. My country is in a very costly war right now, so why should we spend billions of dollars on a moon mission? What is there to gain by going back?

 

[wally funk]

what was there to gain by going back to iraq?

 

[deeman12]

This is about the 7th or 8th time this question has been asked in this thread. My country is in a very costly war right now, so why should we spend billions of dollars on a moon mission? What is there to gain by going back?

I wasnt talking about the U.S, perhaps i should've been more clear. Russia can go. I havent been reading the whole thread, i just read it from the latter parts.

 

[Kangaroopit]

IS there any chance they will ever go back. Technology is much better, why cant they go again?

Yes, they are planning to go back to the Moon, and in the longer term, to Mars. I think the US wants to back to the Moon by 2018. This is principally for the same reason as the last time. China are also planning to go to the Moon, and the Americans want to remind people that they're in the lead space-wise. They have plans to set up a permanently manned station not long after that. The European Space Agency has a long term plan to send someone to Mars by 2030. As far as I know, the US hasn't put a time frame on their plans.

Astrophysicists are usually in two minds about these things. They tend to get very excited about space travel and space colonisation. Many (particularly Stephen Hawking) argue that we should make it a priority to colonise and terraform other planets as the only viable way to protect the human race in the long term against the possibility of nuclear war or another Earth-threatening catastrophe. However, on the downside, manned space travel is extremely expensive, and there's not much we can learn by it that we couldn't without the astronauts. Many scientists would rather put the money to better use with unmanned missions.

I looked into astronauting as a possible career. Alas, ESA only has a panel of 13 astronauts. Last time they had a job going spare, they had 22,000 applicants. 5,000 were well qualified too.

 

[melbournemartin]

Yeah, the general idea is for a station of sorts on the moon by 2020ish. They are looking into possible sources of water and other substances that could be used as rocket fuel which would obviously be handy as not only is the fuel 'free' but it doesn't need to be transported there.

I'm not sure about any manned missions to Mars. It's hard to even contemplate sustaining the lives of a group of people for about 2 years with no supply drop-offs. It'd be much easier if they could do the sleeping tube thingy in Rocket Man...but only if the Monkey didn't steal the human's tube thingo.

 

[Roll Tide]

Hey guys, just thought I'd share a couple of classic threads from the Bad Astronomy forum. Dave Cosnette, the webmaster of this website, drops in to debate with the scientists and engineers who post there. Just read the dialogue between JayUtah (the Apollo defender) and cosmicdave. Jay took Dave to school.

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/1323-new-very-laughable-topic.html (Dave arrives at post 23.)

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/1573-artful-dodges-cosmic-dave-cosnette.html