more importantly.....

[Cap]

what draft pick do people think we are going to get for Bock?

What impact will this have on the clubs trade/draft prospects for this year?

I'm off to scour the AFL site.

The AFL site

For a player who meets the highest category of the compensation ranking, and is therefore categorised as a ‘top-echelon’ player, the Commission accepted a recommendation to increase the compensation for these players, which would now see a club receive a Round One Selection and a second selection at the mid-point of Round One, placed after the teams that have missed the finals have had their Round One Selection and before the teams that have competed in the finals have their Round One Selection.

The other categories of compensation would be in four categories - Round One Selection, End of Round One Selection, Round Two Selection and Round Three Selection. A club may elect to use its compensation selection(s) at its choice at any of the next five national drafts and its compensation pick in a round would come immediately after its pick in that year’s draft, with the exception of any Round One picks at the 2010 and 2011 Drafts, which can only be utilised at the end of Round One.

I need to clarify if "top Echelon" is in reference to the AFL as a whole or the AFC.

If for instance it is club based, then you could make a very good arguement that Bock is a top echelon players indicating we should get a "in the 1st round pick" and a "after 1st round pick" as compensation.

I imagine however the AFL will argue "top echelon" refers to the player in an AFL wide context, meaning I think we will get at bare minimum a "midpoint 1st round selection" if not another selection in the first round.

what are others thoughts? I'll stick with it being a 1st round draft pick, which as I said needs to be used to get us an elite mid, however that can be done.

 

[The Karma Bus]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...on-system-for-star-players-20100623-yx8e.html

5 player "bands" based on salary package offered, age, B & F finishing also will be part of the weighting..

Bock is AA and 2008 B & F..
If Ablett is worth 2 first round picks, an early one and one after the bottom 8 teams have picked, then surely Bock is a first rounder.. Pick 10 maybe? Be nice if it was higher..

 

[birdmanptr]

what draft pick do people think we are going to get for Bock?

What impact will this have on the clubs trade/draft prospects for this year?

I'm off to scour the AFL site.

but a purely ignorant idea would be a top 20 pick which we use to either get the best mid we can or trade (+ something) to get an existing midfielder.

Is he not a uncontracted player ??? Though that meant we got SFA

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Apparently we will get around pick 26 for him...I hope that is totally wrong but that is what I am led to believe

 

[Cap]

Apparently we will get around pick 26 for him

yikes - that is a pick in the 2nd round which would be rather disgraceful....but given its the AFL expected.

@birdmantr - he is at seasons end uncontracted. I believe the compensation still stands.

 

[LisaR]

Hey Adelaide fans, I am guessing Bock will classify as a 1st round pick.

That means that before a season starts the AFC needs to tell the AFL that in that years coming draft they will be using that pick that year. So the pick will end up being another pick immediately after the 1st round pick you have already due to your ladder position at the end of the year.

1st round compenstation picks from GC are only allowed to be used in the 2012,2013 or 2014 draft.

So if you finish 15th in 2012 you would have the usual pick 4 for finishing 4th last and then pick 5 for Bock. If 2012 was the year they nominate pre-season.

Hope that helps

 

[Cap]

cheers LisaR

I wonder how that would work for a club such as WCE.

say they come last next year and get a priority pick so in 2012 they could essentially have picks 1,2 and 3 in the draft the following year?

it also hurts teams who improve so the better your team the worse the compensation which seems unfair.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Is he not a uncontracted player ??? Though that meant we got SFA

Birdman, if that were true Geelong would also get SFA as both Bock and Ablett are in the same boat... contractually speaking.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

yikes - that is a pick in the 2nd round which would be rather disgraceful....but given its the AFL expected.

@birdmantr - he is at seasons end uncontracted. I believe the compensation still stands.

Agree Cap, hope my info is wrong.
If we were doing a trade we would demand and get better than pick 26..as you say expect anything from the AFL

 

[The Karma Bus]

I may be wrong but i don't think you got your compensation pick immediately after the pick you have in the draft that year.. If geelong are top how could that happen yet they get early first rounders for ablett?

Think the afl just decide from their weighting system that Player X is worth pick 5 or pick 11 or whatever and they then slide that pick into whatever draft you choose to use it in..

 

[Allefgib]

Its only the uncontracted they can take like this. So obviously the compensation applies.

That's why we made a big effort to ensure Kurt was contracted.

 

[Cap]

I may be wrong but i don't think you got your compensation pick immediately after the pick you have in the draft that year.. If geelong are top how could that happen yet they get early first rounders for ablett?

Think the afl just decide from their weighting system that Player X is worth pick 5 or pick 11 or whatever and they then slide that pick into whatever draft you choose to use it in..

Yeah, that’s sort of how I read it as well but lets be honest like most things with the AFL its very short on detail. I would be surprised if its pick 26.

Personally I think we will end up with something in the range of pick 11 & pick 17 but I am hoping for a pick 5 & pick 10

 

[afc1991]

Just a quick sidebar here, do the Suns have the 1st pick in the PSD?

So we've lost Bock, but Thommo isnt signed, soooo if they wanted him too.... a bit like how we lost Huddon and then Welsh.

 

[Vessel]

Hey Adelaide fans, I am guessing Bock will classify as a 1st round pick.

That means that before a season starts the AFC needs to tell the AFL that in that years coming draft they will be using that pick that year. So the pick will end up being another pick immediately after the 1st round pick you have already due to your ladder position at the end of the year.

1st round compenstation picks from GC are only allowed to be used in the 2012,2013 or 2014 draft.

So if you finish 14th in 2012 you would have the usual pick 4 for finishing 4th last and then pick 5 for Bock. If 2012 was the year they nominate pre-season.

Hope that helps

This would be the best guess as to what it would look like as far as the AFL has told us. They have reserved the right to change it to whatever they feel like though.

So my guess is now that salary is taken in to consideration a first round selection is most likely. So for whatever year we nominate we get it the pick after our first round pick. So it is best to use in a year where you do not perform very well.

As for Geelong, the mid first round selection is meant to make up for an elite player in a team who does not finish very low. Their first round selection will still be after their first found pick.

 

[KUNG FU]

I think everyone has misunderstood the system.

You must pick the year of use prior to the H&A season, from 2012-2016.

1st bracket: An extra 1st round pick after your initial pick (ie if you take the wooden spoon that year, you would have #1 & #2, or if you finished 4th, you would have #17 & #18) AND a mid-round 1st pick after the non-finals team have their first pick (depending on how the finals system works & priority pick, probably pick 9-12)
2nd bracket: An extra 1st round pick after your initial pick. In my opinion, what we are likely to get for Bock.
3rd bracket: A first round pick at the end of the round, #19 in years without a pre-1st round priority pick.
4th bracket: An extra 2nd round pick after your initial 2nd round pick.
5th bracket: An extra 3rd round pick after your initial 3rd round pick.

 

[Vessel]

To be honest I think Bock leaving is better for the club than him staying. Hear is why:

1. One of the few players we will get good compensation for. Will be surprised if we do not get the 1st round selection.

2. Only 2-3 years left of good footy, in a time where we will not be premiership contenders.

3. Can be used in a deep draft to pick up a midfielder who will slot straight into the team as icing for a premiership tilt in 2-3 years time.

4. We currently have too many (three first found picks + Walker) young KPPs on the list who would be playing AFL football in any other club. Sooner we get development into them, the better for the future.

 

[afc1991]

This would be the best guess as to what it would look like as far as the AFL has told us. They have reserved the right to change it to whatever they feel like though.

Then, in our case the top criteria will be the player's draft position and games played in 2010.

 

[LisaR]

I think everyone has misunderstood the system.

You must pick the year of use prior to the H&A season, from 2012-2016.

1st bracket: An extra 1st round pick after your initial pick (ie if you take the wooden spoon that year, you would have #1 & #2, or if you finished 4th, you would have #17 & #18) AND a mid-round 1st pick after the non-finals team have their first pick (depending on how the finals system works & priority pick, probably pick 9-12)
2nd bracket: An extra 1st round pick after your initial pick. In my opinion, what we are likely to get for Bock.
3rd bracket: A first round pick at the end of the round, #19 in years without a pre-1st round priority pick.
4th bracket: An extra 2nd round pick after your initial 2nd round pick.
5th bracket: An extra 3rd round pick after your initial 3rd round pick.

Yep Kung Fu

Good explanation, thats my understanding too.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I think everyone has misunderstood the system.

You must pick the year of use prior to the H&A season, from 2012-2016.

1st bracket: An extra 1st round pick after your initial pick (ie if you take the wooden spoon that year, you would have #1 & #2, or if you finished 4th, you would have #17 & #18) AND a mid-round 1st pick after the non-finals team have their first pick (depending on how the finals system works & priority pick, probably pick 9-12)
2nd bracket: An extra 1st round pick after your initial pick. In my opinion, what we are likely to get for Bock.
3rd bracket: A first round pick at the end of the round, #19 in years without a pre-1st round priority pick.
4th bracket: An extra 2nd round pick after your initial 2nd round pick.
5th bracket: An extra 3rd round pick after your initial 3rd round pick.

How are the brackets decided?!

I know there is age, Salary (not sure if at crows or new club), B&F finishes etc...

You would think that with all the legends of the club, Bock would not have been on a top 3 salary at the crows. He would have signed his new deal at the end of 2007 at which point he was not AA or B&F winner so the salary would not have been that big considering that Goodwin, Edwards, McLeod and Rutten (AA selection and high B%F finish to his name) would be on a bigger coin that Bock. You could probably throw in Thompson as having higher salary.

If they are taking salary at GC into account the we might sneak into bracket 1 but if its the crows salary he could very well be bracket 2 or even bracket 3 player which would be very disappointing.

 

[Vessel]

How are the brackets decided?!

I know there is age, Salary (not sure if at crows or new club), B&F finishes etc...

You would think that with all the legends of the club, Bock would not have been on a top 3 salary at the crows. He would have signed his new deal at the end of 2007 at which point he was not AA or B&F winner so the salary would not have been that big considering that Goodwin, Edwards, McLeod and Rutten (AA selection and high B%F finish to his name) would be on a bigger coin that Bock. You could probably throw in Thompson as having higher salary.

If they are taking salary at GC into account the we might sneak into bracket 1 but if its the crows salary he could very well be bracket 2 or even bracket 3 player which would be very disappointing.

It is based on age, AA/BF/draft position last three years and the contract signed with the new club. So Bocky AA 2008, BF 2008, draft position does not count as not in last three years, age he is old so will count against him, huge 600k contract. Bocky should score very well and maybe squeeze into bracket 1 but most likely bracket 2.

 

[Stiffy_18]

It is based on age, AA/BF/draft position last three years and the contract signed with the new club. So Bocky AA 2008, BF 2008, draft position does not count as not in last three years, age he is old so will count against him, huge 600k contract. Bocky should score very well and maybe squeeze into bracket 1 but most likely bracket 2.

Thats good for us then because if it was about the salary at the Crows we would be bent over in a big way.

At 27 he is not that old. He still has 4-5 years left in him and at a reasonably high level. These days players play into their 30s without too much trouble. The game is less physical than it was 10 years ago so the body does not cop as much battering as it used to.

I think Bock has 5 years left in the tank. The 27 age bracket is considered a peak for the footballer.

 

[Cap]

I reckon it will end up being the number 2 region, I guess it really depends who else goes and how well the AFC argue the case.

 

[macca23]

Apparently we will get around pick 26 for him...I hope that is totally wrong but that is what I am led to believe

Sadly I think your information is right.

IMO Bock would fit into the 2nd bracket which gives us a first rounder, which if we wait until 2012 to 2014 to use, means that we can use it directly after our first round pick at the time of using it.

We can use it this year if we want to, but it can only be used at the end of the first round, even if it is a first rounder. The same would apply if we used it next year as well.

This year, apart from their normal pick, the GC gets picks 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15. This means that the first round has a total of 17 plus 8 = 25 picks

If no other club finishing below us uses a similar pick then that first round pick for Bock would become pick 26.

However, if there were 3 clubs below us, who had also lost a player to the GC, and had also received a first rounder in return and decided to use it this year, then that would push our pick out to 29 if we used it this year.

I think that we are virtually forced to hang out to 2012 to 2014 to get any value out of the pick.

 

[Cap]

that is if we used it this year.

so we still get the 1st rounder, which I would imagine the club would rather use to its fullest value that this year (if it can use it this year?)

 

[Mismatched]

At the very least we should get a pick in the second category, however, if the rumours are true that he's on 600k+ a year, I'm not sure how the AFL can deny us a catagory 1. How many blokes are on 500k+ a year in the AFL? 5, maybe 10? If that doesn't classify a bloke as top echelon, I'm really not sure what does, no matter what his age is. If GC are willing to fork out that much doe, then he's clearly pretty valuable.