More player rumblings

[WALL-e]

Do you know Knights? Well.................... he is one guy who actually loves living in Adelaide . His twin does not live in VIC either. He is a pilot and lives in Northern territory. they get down here lot.

He is best mates with Maric. Always the best way to get the best $. Every smart player manager will do it. Crows just have to stand tough and anyone wanting to go to VIC send them to Richmond

I know, re his brother. But there's a reason he's recouping from surgery in Melbourne.

It will probably do him well to be having time back here.

 

[Alex99]

New York Knicks board.

Chicago Bulls board

 

[WALL-e]

Chicago Bulls board

Brooklyn Red Coats board

 

[Alex99]

Brooklyn Red Coats board

tsk as if the Brooklyn Red Coats would want that dud someone James?

 

[Chief Crow]

 

[Mismatched]

This is third hand info, but apparently this "Ralph" character was on 5AA tonight saying Knights, Bock and three other players are categorically gone?

Is this the same "Ralph" that "catagorically" stated that Callum Ferguson would captain the Redbacks? He was close, but...

 

[OldCrowBloke]

My grave concerns that Ive been expressing for the past three years have all of a sudden grow legs

I feel this is the beginning of the biggest ever walkout the club has ever experienced in its history.

Clearly something isnt right at the Adelaide Football Club

This post typical of conspiracy theorists and doom-sayers. We have been expecting a number of retirements this year, don't call these "walkouts". There is always speculation about players coming out of contract.

No need for all this foaming at the mouth.

 

[Crow-mo]

We have been expecting a number of retirements this year, don't call these "walkouts".

at the beginning of the year Craig was talking about how these guys could still improve; 3 weeks ago he was suggesting that the side couldn't cope without the "big 4"; they spoke of continuing next year.

these sudden retirements are sudden, and weren't expected. Though many would argue that they should have been on the cards, a few weeks ago it looked anything but.

 

[subaru]

Do you know Knights? Well.................... he is one guy who actually loves living in Adelaide . His twin does not live in VIC either. He is a pilot and lives in Northern territory. they get down here lot.

He is best mates with Maric. Always the best way to get the best $. Every smart player manager will do it. Crows just have to stand tough and anyone wanting to go to VIC send them to Richmond

Jerry MacGuire board....$$$$$$

 

[marvin]

I know, re his brother. But there's a reason he's recouping from surgery in Melbourne.

Didn't Knights have the operation in Melbourne too? Nothing sinister in starting the recovery here.

 

[WALL-e]

Didn't Knights have the operation in Melbourne too? Nothing sinister in starting the recovery here.

I wasn't suggesting he really wants out, but rather he's a very big family man.

 

[Drummond]

Knights is staying at his 'home' in Melbourne for a week, or maybe not quite, then returning to Adelaide. I really struggle to see the issue or how this might be a sign of some sort.

 

[Allefgib]

Edwards was a nigh-on 34 year old midfielder who hadn't fired a shot all season, was given the option of staying on for a send off (despite NEVER earning the right for one - same goes for every other footballer in the business) and chose not to. The end was near, and it's a necessary end. He's not up to it anymore, Goody's showing signs as well. Both have made decisions, and we move on.

"Old players retiring? **** me, how could this have happened. Deserves a send off game does Edwards, club owes it to him because after the quality lifestyle, enormous sums of money, fan adoration and life security afforded to him it's them who owe him for doing his job.

Coach has clearly lost the players - old players are old after all. Emotional performance against the lions was a mirage. Mcleod's celebration was in fact a venomous gesture towards the coaches' box."

That's the extent of your argument. Laughable.

I'll reiterate that when I said 'lost' I was talking about emotionally as a figure of our club. Tyson did not want to do what the club was asking of him after 16 years of amazing service.

Besides - as per macca's source the players had to tell Craigy that his decision had 'lost them' and was threatening the culture they wanted at the club. That's exactly the type of 'issue' I was talking about.

I applauded him for changing his mind. I actually even applaud him for the apparent 'disregard' for the supporters opinions - but you have to agree its a shit situation. Terribly mismanaged.

You don't have to agree that points to bigger issues, but I am seriously concerned it does. I've been saying it most of the year based on the lack of application and confusion shown on the players faces and then some of the bizarre player management decisions made. Including those made late last year.

Fair enough he took a risk - it didn't pane out. Why not change tack? I'm personally of the opinion that he finds it incredibly difficult to do that. And if he does 'change' its incredibly slowly. I admire him for his strength of convictions, good coaches have that. But they live and die by them too. I'm not calling for his head - never have - I am calling for change. We've obviously had ALOT of that in the last month. I would have preferred to seen it earlier. Let's see if it makes a difference.

BTW - getting a little sick and tired of people calling for no overreactions and then overreacting to posts that continue to get backed up by the events that unfold.

 

[Allefgib]

Cmon what serious issues .......or are they in your head?

Guess what .....if the club starts winning again and showing some form ...it's amazing how quickly these SERIOUS ISSUES Disappear

Does Brisbane who have now lost 5 on the trot and likely to lose 6 after this weekend also have serious issues ......surely they must on your reckoning

I would suggest the serious issues would start to be addressed and then our form might turn around

Some might argue the change and upheaval of the last month might just be enough to do that. Lets see. I'm sure most of us hope so.

One of the first serious issues was lack of player application - pointed out by many of us when many were just crying 'injuries'. Club took action on that front. We're yet to see if Bernie, Stiffy and Jaensch respond to it - let's hope so.

Look the point of this thread was 'player rumblings'. I've said a few times in this thread that such comments are rumours and shit stirring. After the players went to Craigy and said they were concerned about the culture of the club if Edwards didn't play against Freo... well that sounds to me like exactly the type of things that would make an uncontracted player with an 'even offer' elsewhere really consider if they wanted to be at our club.

I can't for the life of me understand why some people get so upset that others are upset about the potential impacts situations like that might have on our club?!?!

 

[Crow-mo]

I can't for the life of me understand why some people get so upset that others are upset about the potential impacts situations like that might have on our club?!?!

its a tactic that allows people to participate in discussions above their own levels of content.

If I say "oooh the club must be right, because they're the professionals" then I don't need to be able to actually debate and discuss whatever issue is at hand in order to still participate.

which is not to say that the club is always wrong, far from it - but that often its these very same people who rely on this tactic, who get exposed because they still hold the line even when the club itself changes tact.

 

[Allefgib]

The doomsdayers have certainly been having a field day

We've had injuries ......we've had players badly out of form .......we've played lots of kids which has impacted the team

But there's no evidence that Craig has lost the players .......no evidence that there is anything sinister happening in the club other than an unexpected run of losses

Brisbane are about to lose their 6th game on the trot .......after their start to the season ......they are no different to us, so has Voss loss the players or their is unrest in the club

OR .....have the injuries to some key players (Merrett, Brown, Brennan & Drummond) simply changed the team dynamics .......and if that explains their form doesn't Adelaide have the same injury/form background

Injuries have impacted our ability to contest for a top four spot - no doubt. I've never argued that we should have been winning games at the level we expected. It's how we've lost and how the players have gone about their play, and the perceived mismanagement of the players that has been my concern.

Who says Voss isn't being questioned for his decisions? I think most of us interested in footy have been very curious about his decisions. I certainly wondered if he was stretching himself. I also question his decision to keep allowing Brown to play rather than getting himself right. I don't care enough about their club to mention it usually tho!

More importantly though - has Brisbane shown some of the lack of application we have? Have they shown an unwillingness to take the game on? Have they shown a confused approach or lack of effort in executing the game plan? Have they shown they misread the game with their gameplan?

I've not seen enough of their games but my gut feel from the little I've seen is no they haven't had those kind of issues with their club. We have.

 

[Allefgib]

You cannot just dismiss the quantity of injuries out of hand, which you seem to have done and claim that all our problems are caused by something more sinister. The disruption to our pre-season is possibly the worst we've ever had and then the ongoing disruption through the season proper has certainly exacerbated the situation. No team could have possibly survived these disruptions unscathed.

I understand that you want questions asked as to why these injuries were taking place - was it all just a case of bad luck or was it a case of mismanagement. I'm sure the club is asking those very same questions.

Another thing we could ask is that if these disruptions then upset the balance within the club and if this uncertainty then lead to a snowball effect to the avalanche that we currently see.

Craig indeed took a risk by keeping on all of the veterans. By all accounts, though, this season did (on paper at any rate) look to be a promising one. If he thought we were a serious chance, why not keep your senior players - all champions of the game - to give them one last crack? As it turns out, the veteran that looked the most likely to play on (Edwards) has performed the worst out of them all. And that last chance all but faded away once our pre-season injuries started to mount, which in turn has made the decision to keep them all look like a bad one. Hind-sight is a wonderful thing.

Michael Voss also took an enormous risk with his aggressive trading/drafting over the pre-season, and in the first 4 rounds it appeared to be paying off. 5 losses later you might start to question his choices as well.

No Jenny I've never said all our 'problems' are caused by something other than injuries. Injuries mean we will find it far harder to win games. Apart from that I fail to see how injuries should really impact on the effort and player management (injuries could be a by-product of player management too but that's another discussion). What do you mean by 'escaping unscathed'? Do you feel injuries causes a lack of application? Of 3/4 of shit football against NM followed by a quarter of 'where the **** has that been all game?' Do you feel injuries causes the player group to tell the coach he is threatening the culture of the club unless he reverses his decisions?

Your snowball comment is interesting. I want our club to be better than that. Don't you? I also find it interesting because you are happy to hypothesise from a 'positive' point of view - but dislike anyone hypothesing differently - when IMO there is plenty more evidence to support more critical hypotheses right now!

I do think Voss took a massive risk but I haven't seen the disharmony, lack of effort and confused playing list with the little I've seen of Brisbane compared to what I've seen at our own club. Do you see it differently?

 

[Allefgib]

its a tactic that allows people to participate in discussions above their own levels of content.

If I say "oooh the club must be right, because they're the professionals" then I don't need to be able to actually debate and discuss whatever issue is at hand in order to still participate.

which is not to say that the club is always wrong, far from it - but that often its these very same people who rely on this tactic, who get exposed because they still hold the line even when the club itself changes tact.

Yes, we've seen plenty of that lately.

It's like the AFL has become more socialist, some of our supporters have become more fans of authoritarianism (dare I say it totalitarianism) and I'm sitting here thinking 'but don't we live in a democracy with a right to protest to change the collective outcome for the betterment of all?!?

Apparently not. (despite the fact Craigy obviously agrees!)

 

[jenny61_99]

BTW - getting a little sick and tired of people calling for no overreactions and then overreacting to posts that continue to get backed up by the events that unfold.

It's interesting to sit back and watch all the conspiracy theorists try and fit square pegs into round holes. Adding 1 +1 and coming up with 15.

Hey, you might be right. ALL the things that are happening this year are a direct result of evil and sinister goings on down at the AFC. The players revolting against the coach, half of them disinterested and leaving for better offers, the administration don't have a clue.

Or it could just be one of those years. Annus Horribilus.

Sometimes there aren't any sinister things lurking in the shadows, they are just shadows.

 

[Allefgib]

Thank you for an example. Not sure I've ever said things are evil and sinister. Just that we have serious issues. How you can continue to deny that is beyond me.

 

[Mismatched]

So what if Ayres disagrees? what then?

Sorry, could have been clearer, I was more refering to how Craig has Coached and worked with both of them as Captain(he also worked with Bickley as Captain during the premiership year).

Quite frankly, I see no need to compare our captains, I think we've had 5 outstanding players captain our club and am extremely proud of them, I was disappointed in Craig that he felt the need to compare them as such, as simple statement such as "will go down as one of our clubs greatest captains" would have surficed.

However, to the comment that Craigy has no basis for his call, well I think he's got a pretty darn good decent basis. Ayres is similar, baring maybe the players, especially those like Roo, McLeod, Edwards, Goodwin etc who've been around for ever and experienced numerous different captains, the coach would be one of the best to judge our captains.

It was interesting to listen to Tom Harley, Brad Sewell(was it?) and Leigh Matthews last night at half time of the footy comment on the role of captain and how a captains role is defined by so much more these days than just what he does on the field, stuff that we the public, even as members, just don't see.

 

[Crow-mo]

It's interesting to sit back and watch all the conspiracy theorists try and fit square pegs into round holes. Adding 1 +1 and coming up with 15.

Hey, you might be right. ALL the things that are happening this year are a direct result of evil and sinister goings on down at the AFC. The players revolting against the coach, half of them disinterested and leaving for better offers, the administration don't have a clue.

Or it could just be one of those years. Annus Horribilus.

Sometimes there aren't any sinister things lurking in the shadows, they are just shadows.

why don't you make the case, without referencing Schrodinger's Cat, that everything is ok. no random maybe everything is ok, make the case using real analysis.

there is a shit load of evidence against, I wonder what your evidence for is?

 

[Crow-mo]

It was interesting to listen to Tom Harley, Brad Sewell(was it?) and Leigh Matthews last night at half time of the footy comment on the role of captain and how a captains role is defined by so much more these days than just what he does on the field, stuff that we the public, even as members, just don't see.

Red Herring, we as supporters don't care how well they go at corporate engagements. all we care about is onfield.

 

[Allbetsroff]

Red Herring, we as supporters don't care how well they go at corporate engagements. all we care about is onfield.

I hear Goodwin makes the best Soy lattes.

 

[jenny61_99]

Thank you for an example. Not sure I've ever said things are evil and sinister. Just that we have serious issues. How you can continue to deny that is beyond me.

Because I don't think there are "serious issues". We've had a shit year. Pure and simple. Everything that could go wrong, has. Every club has that - it's our first experience of it. Like I said, you "conspiracy theorists" will find a sinister reason (read: serious issues).

Clearly we are having problems. We've talked about them at length. The reasons behind those problems may be simple to explain, or they may be more complex, or more likely, something in the middle. At the end of the day everything will get resolved one way or the other - either you will get your wish of dumping the coach and cleaning out the administration, which according to you, is seriously flawed or the team will regroup, the coach will continue developing his squad and complete his tenure.