Most Gutless Team

[Stripes666]

You Geelong supporters can bash Richmond all you want, which is stupid any way seeing as we finished above you a won our only meeting.
I now realize that your all happy with how your team finished last year and I assume another 10th place finish will keep putting big yellow smiles on the faces of Geelong supporters.
Good luck for next year.

 

[tin can sam]

You Geelong supporters can bash Richmond all you want, which is stupid any way seeing as we finished above you a won our only meeting.
I now realize that your all happy with how your team finished last year and I assume another 10th place finish will keep putting big yellow smiles on the faces of Geelong supporters.
Good luck for next year.

Get some new material, you've basically said the same thing in about 15 posts oin this thread.

 

[Grin]

20 points is not a flogging! These are though:

Western Bulldogs 6.4 9.11 18.13 25.17 167
Richmond 3.2 5.6 6.6 7.10 52

Richmond 4.2 6.6 8.7 9.8 62
Sydney 8.0 15.4 21.6 28.12 180

St Kilda 5.5 14.6 23.6 27.12 174
Richmond 2.2 6.7 8.9 10.11 71

Richmond 1.1 2.6 7.8 12.13 85
West Coast 5.8 10.12 21.13 26.17 173

Richmond players had the character to bounce back from bad performances.

Can't say the same about the gutless Geelong outfit

 

[Grin]

Ottens is Still better then any player Richmond has.

You keep telling yourself that.

If Geelong supporters weren't soooooo gutless, they would question the reasoning that led Geelong to making this absolutely disasterous decision.

That the do not, proves that Geelong supporters have no balls.

 

[Metallica_Man]

You keep telling yourself that.

If Geelong supporters weren't soooooo gutless, they would question the reasoning that led Geelong to making this absolutely disasterous decision.

That the do not, proves that Geelong supporters have no balls.

So gutless that we spit on our coach from 20 rows above him??

 

[Grin]

So gutless that we spit on our coach from 20 rows above him??

Yawn

Is that really the best you've got?

 

[Metallica_Man]

Yawn

Is that really the best you've got?

Is Ottens the best you've got?

 

[maccas_no1]

Don't know about the most gutless team, but the most gutless supporters award must go to that of the Adelaide crows.

How they attacked Robert Shaw's house, and harassed his kids was a disgrace.

While Dean Brogan is attacking doctors in the local park

 

[Grin]

Is Ottens the best you've got?

Well, no.

You see we traded Ottens to Geelong for 2 first round draft picks two years ago. I know it sounds unbelievable, but it's true.

 

[MTBTYT]

Is Ottens the best you've got?

Well, no.

You see we traded Ottens to Geelong for 2 first round draft picks two years ago. I know it sounds unbelievable, but it's true.

Now that's embarrassing. A blind guy could see that coming from a mile off.



You'll learn. Ottens = an embarrassment at every turn. Your problem now.

HOORAY!!!!

 

[winty]

1 good performance every 8 years you say. In 7 years Richo has kicked more than 55 goals for the season. Including 91 the year after a knee reco. Surely you were just having a shot at the Cats and their desperation to get Ottens. Career best 46 back in 2001 since then nothing and you still gave up 2 first rounders for him. 2 years at the Cats for 23 & 26 goals and the Cats fans still defend him. Thats not just accpeting mediocrity but embracing it warmly

Does Ottens play permanent forward at Geelong like Richo does at Ninthmond? No, he doesn't, so returns of 23 goals in 14 games in 2005 and 26 in 22 in 2006 were not bad returns for a guy who is a ruckman/forward. Incidentally, it's fair to say that most, if not all, Geelong supporters see Ottens' best value to the side is as a ruckman, not as a forward, so really comparing him to Richo is a rather pointless exercise. Compare him to a Simmonds though, and I think you'll find they both had a similar season in 2006, and I don't think you guys think Simmonds is a dud.

But let's just compare Ottens' output in 2006 to your great white hope (or, as you will discover sooner or later, great white dope) Kingsley's for a minute. For argument's sake, since Ottens played every game, but only spent about 50% of his game time at FF, he essentially played 11 full games at full forward, in which he kicked 26 goals. Kingsley on the other hand played 9 games at FF in 2006 for a measly return of 10 goals, which incidentally included one bag of 8. Take that game out and it is only 2 goals from 8 games. Hardly inspiring stuff from a FF, and probably one of the reasons we had such a shocking season.

 

[Grin]

You'll learn. Ottens = an embarrassment at every turn. Your problem now.

HOORAY!!!!

It's funny because it's true

 

[ralphwiggum]

Does Ottens play permanent forward at Geelong like Richo does at Ninthmond? No, he doesn't, so returns of 23 goals in 14 games in 2005 and 26 in 22 in 2006 were not bad returns for a guy who is a ruckman/forward. .

Jack of both trades, master of neither


I remember the catalyst to your reality check in 06 (i.e. Rd 3 against us) King was out for pretty much the whole game, so u'd expect Ottens to step up both as a ruck and forward... and guess what, he did neither, with a return of 0 goals and a couple of set shot misses whilst the hawks did as they pleased at almost every stoppage (though u could blame some of it on that Blake guy and ur ball-winners)

Did u boo Ottens that day? A real impact player!

 

[winty]

You Geelong supporters can bash Richmond all you want, which is stupid any way seeing as we finished above you a won our only meeting.
I now realize that your all happy with how your team finished last year and I assume another 10th place finish will keep putting big yellow smiles on the faces of Geelong supporters.
Good luck for next year.

First win vs Geelong since 2000, and first time you finished above us since 2001. So I guess you can talk it up now, since it probably won't happen again for a while. Come to think of it, it's a lot like England celebrating their Ashes win in 2005, and we all know what happened after that!

 

[ChubbMuff]

Well, no.

You see we traded Ottens to Geelong for 2 first round draft picks two years ago. I know it sounds unbelievable, but it's true.

Your kidding? Really?

 

[winty]

Jack of both trades, master of neither


I remember the catalyst to your reality check in 06 (i.e. Rd 3 against us) King was out for pretty much the whole game, so u'd expect Ottens to step up both as a ruck and forward... and guess what, he did neither, with a return of 0 goals and a couple of set shot misses whilst the hawks did as they pleased at almost every stoppage (though u could blame some of it on that Blake guy and ur ball-winners)

Did u boo Ottens that day? A real impact player!

One player doesn't make the team. True, he didn't have an impact on that game, but name me one Geelong player that did. Yeah, I couldn't either.

 

[Stripes666]

Im glad your happy with Ottens but dont even try to compare him with Simmonds.
For the most part of the season Simmonds rucked basically alone and was a standout, extremely unlucky to missout on AA. 3rd in our best and fairest.
But Ottens wasnt even fit and spent much much more the 50 percent of the game sitting in the square and doing nothing. Maybe rucking for 3or 4 minutes only to return to the bench for a long break.

 

[winty]

Im glad your happy with Ottens but dont even try to compare him with Simmonds.
For the most part of the season Simmonds rucked basically alone and was a standout, extremely unlucky to missout on AA. 3rd in our best and fairest.
But Ottens wasnt even fit and spent much much more the 50 percent of the game sitting in the square and doing nothing. Maybe rucking for 3or 4 minutes only to return to the bench for a long break.

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=107&pid1=509&tid2=112&pid2=893

Seems they had a pretty similar season after all. Not bad for an unfit player to pretty much keep pace stats-wise with someone who was unlucky to miss out on AA.

 

[Grin]

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=107&pid1=509&tid2=112&pid2=893

Seems they had a pretty similar season after all. Not bad for an unfit player to pretty much keep pace stats-wise with someone who was unlucky to miss out on AA.

It would probably pay to have read those stats before you posted them.

 

[catman2006]

Stiring the pot with the Ottens being better then the whole Richmond team,but there is only six or seven players at Richmond who are actually better then him last year.

Simmonds had a good year and Ottens was not far behind him in terms of hitouts just 70 behind and Ottens kicked more goals.Simmonds was good at the centre bounce but around the ground was not as effective.

You only have to look at the Tackles and 1 per centers and ball gets to show Richmond are a very very soft side almost Gutless one would say.

 

[tazhawk]

My vote for the most gutless team of the last 25 years...............I can't split Melbourne, Geelong or Bitchmond.

 

[winty]

Stiring the pot with the Ottens being better then the whole Richmond team,but there is only six or seven players at Richmond who are actually better then him last year.

Simmonds had a good year and Ottens was not far behind him in terms of hitouts just 70 behind and Ottens kicked more goals.Simmonds was good at the centre bounce but around the ground was not as effective.

You only have to look at the Tackles and 1 per centers and ball gets to show Richmond are a very very soft side almost Gutless one would say.

Just to back you up Catman:

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_teams?tid1=107&tid2=112

In nearly every category to do with courage, like contested possessions, contested marks, tackles, 1 percenters...you name it, Geelong have Richmond covered.

 

[Bifrost]

Team "gutless": I think it's too tough to pin an entire team with the "gutless" tag. Every team has players who tend to hover around packs and don't go in for the ball at the bottom, but historically they've been some of the most effective players in the game (Bartlett, Ezard, even Judd). Classic players who tend not to dive in hard (except perhaps in Grand Finals).

There are certainly a lot of players who are not Judds, Ezards or Bartletts who hang back and you could probably consider those players gutless - but even they're not the majority of a team.

The Hard Man: Some of you guys are saying that a gutless team is a team without a hard man. I can't agree with that, particularly with the game as it stands today. To say that just one man or two men in a team can make a team gutless or not is pretty poor. Given that theory, Geelong would have to be one of the least gutless teams in the AFL - they're all either nuggets, tanks or Cam Mooney. But they get pinged for their indescressions and rubbed out which hurts their team and you think "idiot" rather than "nice one". I can't even remember the last time Richmond had a genuine hard man. Sure, we've got blokes who go in hard for the ball, but I wouldn't put them in the same class as my hard-man benchmarks: Essendon's Dean Wallis and Richmond's Neil Balme. Wallis was a pretty good player, but not extraordinary. You'd be thinking "what's he doing in such a quality outfit?" then all of a sudden, in a Final or Grand Final, he's annihilate one of the opposition's better players and you'd think "oh, I get it". The Richmond used to have a fair share of hard men, but the rules have changed even since Wallis' time (2000) and blokes like Mooney are being rubbed out for things that would have made Umpires laugh in the 90s.

I think it's good to have a few blokes who'll stand up when one of your team has been roughed up, but it's not worth having a player who'll loose their cool and get sidelined for half a season. I think this is where Brisbane's triple Premiership team really stood out - they had nearly an entire team of strong blokes who took no bull******** and dished out a fair bit of - mostly considered fair - rough treatment. I always felt that Matthews modelled his team on Sheedy's 2000 Premiership team (and himself, of course).

I don't think ANY of the AFL clubs could really be considered gutless as an entire team and certainly none of the teams who ended up in the top 8 could be considered gutless - you just don't win games without the ball and to get it, you have to go in and get the bloody thing.

 

[worthogs]

Most gutless team: Richmond. Won't win a premiership in near future.

Most gutless supporters. Adelaide. Turn on their own, full of excuses, ignorant of too many issues to be taken seriously. They should move to the Phillippines and rename themselves the Manila Folders!!!

Agree with the first but on the 2nd point I would say Crows are the most ignorant unless you are talking the difference between a wooded and unoaked Chary form Barossa. Worst Supporters are Still Bitch and Moan. ...Just raed throuh this. They carry on about The Big O leaving and say he is a dud 1/2 the Idiots were not here when they were moaning that he was a traitor, they Forget Nathan Brown did the same to the Doggies ..and probably blew his chances of playing in a decent team or Finals Footy.

And I wont even mention the Spitting QUALITY CLUB SUPPORTERS FOR SURE.

The Brownlow stand at Geelong have some old farts still clap dud efforts but they dont come anywhere as close to the Bitchand Moan sooks

 

[sexyhunk]

One played backs back into an onrushing forward and suddenly your team is "tough"?

What he did was gutsy no doubt, but do not be fooled by the extent of his injury in that he is the only player in the competition that would do such a thing. Ryan Ferguson, Jared Rivers and Brad Green to name a few do it week in and week out for us.

i named the lonegan incident cause you had a go at josh hunt for being soft and implying our team as soft and now you come up with that comment so basically makes you a hypicrit.

if thats not the case, care to elaborate on what you meant by your josh hunt comment in your first post? or would rather not dig further into that hole of yours?