Multiple Position Players

[jimbob7085]

To what degree as having MPP available changed your way of building a team? I myself have taken it as a very valuable aquisition and have Moore/Davis, Ziebell/Rohan & Dangerfield and Tippett/Lobbe to cover donuts.

I reckon MPP will play a vital role in who will win the 50K and by next year everyone will be making a fuss over the best MPP players available.

Thoughts?

 

[Hondo]

To what degree as having MPP available changed your way of building a team? I myself have taken it as a very valuable aquisition and have Moore/Davis, Ziebell/Rohan & Dangerfield and Tippett/Lobbe to cover donuts.

I reckon MPP will play a vital role in who will win the 50K and by next year everyone will be making a fuss over the best MPP players available.

Thoughts?

The issue I have with this rule is highlighted in in your post. You need a bunch of rookies to make it work from round 1. Rookies are unreliable and some of those will be culled, dropped by their teams or upgraded by the time you want to swap players as cover.

I think I will wait out and see what MPP flexibility can be accomodated by trade decisions I will make once the season starts. I am thinking maybe target a Goodes in my midfield. Then I'd have MPP flexibility with players I know will stay in my side all season, barring injury.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

I'm trying to build some cover in all positions by using the MPP's. Lobbe/Tippet, Goddard/Hodge, etc. Ziebell & Dangerfield are two other potentials but unfortunately, it always seems that the players you most want aren't interchangeable anyway.

What I have done though is move Goddard into the midfield and left Hodge in the backs rather than have them both in the same spot. I want to keep both of them but I may as well maximise my cover by separating them. Makes no difference to the points they score and if one goes down and I'm short on bench cover mids or back, I can at least throw these guys about.

 

[Jobe Watson]

It has made absolutely no influence what so ever over the way I have structed my team. I have just picked the players I think represent value, doesn't matter whether they are MPP or not. Bench rookies are the only place I can see the new MPP rule being used by me in the early stages of the season.

The way I see it, MPPs won't really come into play until the second half of the season, when injuries start to mount up and the trades start to dry up. Maybe around Round 13-14 is when I'll start thinking about how to best utilise MMPs on my feild, but until then, I'm not going to risk losing someone I would like in my team just because they aren't a MMP.

 

[Pocket_Pears]

The second half of the season is when the 0's start factoring in. So ill have 3-4 MID/FWD up forward and 2-3 MID/DEF down back to start with. Then mid way through, I will try and bring in a MID/FWD and a MID/DEF into my midfield.

 

[m8rix]

I thought about it a lot, and have come to the conclusion that it is of no value at all. Well when I say no value what I mean it that I see MORE value going into RD1 with the best possible team and not letting MPP influence this.

There are too many unknowns during the 22 RDs and no guarantee that even a very well thought out MPP contingency will cover you for most scenarios.

Although I do not completely reject your belief that the 50k winner will utilize this new rule, I seriously doubt that the 50k winner will be letting the rule influence initial team selection in any major way.

 

[Ingall]

I thought about it a lot, and have come to the conclusion that it is of no value at all. Well when I say no value what I mean it that I see MORE value going into RD1 with the best possible team and not letting MPP influence this.

There are too many unknowns during the 22 RDs and no guarantee that even a very well thought out MPP contingency will cover you for most scenarios.

Although I do not completely reject your belief that the 50k winner will utilize this new rule, I seriously doubt that the 50k winner will be letting the rule influence initial team selection in any major way.

For me it didn't influence who I picked, but it did influence where I put them.

 

[AssassinAndy]

Am toying with having Goddard and Pavlich starting midfield at the moment. Would be looking at perhaps a mid season switch of Goddard to the backline, Ladson to the middle who gets upgraded to a gun midfielder. Pav to the forward for Dangerfield who gets upgraded to another gun mid.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

For me it didn't influence who I picked, but it did influence where I put them.

^^^^^^^^

 

[Pocket_Pears]

Am toying with having Goddard and Pavlich starting midfield at the moment. Would be looking at perhaps a mid season switch of Goddard to the backline, Ladson to the middle who gets upgraded to a gun midfielder. Pav to the forward for Dangerfield who gets upgraded to another gun mid.

Why not just start Ladson and Dangerfield in the mids then?

But the main thing is that you're giving yourself extra cover for the backs/forwards for the start of the season and then throwing the cover away for the 2nd half when it will be needed most.

 

[Lotch]

Why not just start Ladson and Dangerfield in the mids then?

But the main thing is that you're giving yourself extra cover for the backs/forwards for the start of the season and then throwing the cover away for the 2nd half when it will be needed most.

Lol he must want a huge percentage of his score to come from the midfield. Doesnt really make a difference anyway... just gives you more options come upgrade time.

 

[Judd_Magic]

Going to have the Tippet in the forward line and Lobbe on the ruck bench one. May also put a ROK in the midfield to cover injuries to Ziebell, Dangerfield and Rohan. Subbing with Rohan also means I can cover injuries like Franklin and Riewoldt.

Can't see any value in using the duel position rule for defense as there is no good rookie back/mids to use as a link with back/mids that you have in your midfield. Could always have Davis on defense bench and Moore on forward bench though with Waite in the forward line cause then that would cover any backline injury.

 

[AssassinAndy]

Why not just start Ladson and Dangerfield in the mids then?

But the main thing is that you're giving yourself extra cover for the backs/forwards for the start of the season and then throwing the cover away for the 2nd half when it will be needed most.

Well either way it doesn't really matter where they start. Point I was making is that if the time comes that I need to upgrade these guys the extra trade options it gives will be handy. This is the way im looking at the dual positioning rather than using it to strictly cover for donuts.

 

[Ingall]

Can't see any value in using the duel position rule for defense as there is no good rookie back/mids to use as a link with back/mids that you have in your midfield.

True, not much in the rookies, but in the 200-250k range there are the likes of Ladson, Greenwood, Buckley who might be worth a look.

 

[Judd_Magic]

True, not much in the rookies, but in the 200-250k range there are the likes of Ladson, Greenwood, Buckley who might be worth a look.

I have Ladson and Greenwood as my 6th and 7th defenders. Also have Andy Walker as 5th midfielder and Martin as 6th midfielder. Not sure about Buckley, haven't given him much consideration yet.

 

[ozzyoslo]

For me it didn't influence who I picked, but it did influence where I put them.

makes no difference where you put them at the moment.

this topic should not be discussed anymore......not until after 2010 season. then I'll be happy to give my thoughts on it.

kill it now

 

[Ingall]

makes no difference where you put them at the moment.

It does if you want to make use of the new rule. Previously I would not have had any mid/fwd or mid/def players in the midfield, saving that for mid only players. This year I might put one of each in the midfield.

 

[ozzyoslo]

It does if you want to make use of the new rule. Previously I would not have had any mid/fwd or mid/def players in the midfield, saving that for mid only players. This year I might put one of each in the midfield.

I still dont think its worthwhile,over analysing can and will be your downfall sorry.....

 

[Hondo]

I still dont think its worthwhile,over analysing can and will be your downfall sorry.....

Part of me wants to agree with you because I have thought about MPP a lot and almost wish it would go away so I can just do what I did last year.

However, there can't be nothing at all in being able to switch players around to cover gaps if you are faced with a zero or do upgrades.

So I think it's dangerous to dismiss it completely because you know when you get to round 14 there will be coaches taking advantage of this feature in some way.

 

[ozzyoslo]

Part of me wants to agree with you because I have thought about MPP a lot and almost wish it would go away so I can just do what I did last year.

However, there can't be nothing at all in being able to switch players around to cover gaps if you are faced with a zero or do upgrades.

So I think it's dangerous to dismiss it completely because you know when you get to round 14 there will be coaches taking advantage of this feature in some way.

Mate there's only way to take advantage of it and it aint rd14 its rd1

ignore it and pick your best side available

 

[dlanod]

Part of me wants to agree with you because I have thought about MPP a lot and almost wish it would go away so I can just do what I did last year.

However, there can't be nothing at all in being able to switch players around to cover gaps if you are faced with a zero or do upgrades.

So I think it's dangerous to dismiss it completely because you know when you get to round 14 there will be coaches taking advantage of this feature in some way.

The most common scenarios are going to be Tippett/Lobbe in the rucks, effectively allowing your forward bench to count towards your ruck bench (which is a good thing). The other option I'm most interested in is the midfield/back combination to allow your midfield bench to count towards the back bench, since bench depth seems to have a lot more potential in the midfield. I just haven't found a combination ideal enough to stand on its own merits there though unless I move Hodge to the midfield.

 

[jd2006]

I do think people, myself included initially have over thought about this new addition to the game. IMO the main area MPP helps is with the rucks.

Having your 4th Ruck as a player like Lobbe and then picking Tippett in the forward line is a massive change to what I would of done if MPP wasn't created. In the past you would always pick a MPP that could play ruck in that position due to the lack of depth in that position. Also it helps if 2 of your top 3 ruckmen dont play. Finding a bench player for the backs or forwards who plays is usually a lot easier than finding a ruck that is under $200K

 

[Wittman10]

I do think people, myself included initially have over thought about this new addition to the game. IMO the main area MPP helps is with the rucks.

Having your 4th Ruck as a player like Lobbe and then picking Tippett in the forward line is a massive change to what I would of done if MPP wasn't created. In the past you would always pick a MPP that could play ruck in that position due to the lack of depth in that position. Also it helps if 2 of your top 3 ruckmen dont play. Finding a bench player for the backs or forwards who plays is usually a lot easier than finding a ruck that is under $200K

I've gone the other way - Tippett ruck Lobbe fwd. Have Warnock and prob the cheapest option as my ruck bench. Given the lack of depth in cheapo fwds I'm using Tippett essentially as backup for my fwds - my first fwd bench will be a Yarran type. But I've gone for multiple flexibility in all positions. Other than Ruck/Def and Ruck/Mid (which isn't possible) I can change between all lines.

 

[September 27 2008]

I've gone the other way - Tippett ruck Lobbe fwd. Have Warnock and prob the cheapest option as my ruck bench. Given the lack of depth in cheapo fwds I'm using Tippett essentially as backup for my fwds - my first fwd bench will be a Yarran type. But I've gone for multiple flexibility in all positions. Other than Ruck/Def and Ruck/Mid (which isn't possible) I can change between all lines.

Don't like it. There is a fair chance Lobbe isn't going to play much. I would think you should be switching it round. Lobbe not even named in NAB Cup game tonight and that's with extended squads. Surely there are better reserve forwards that will play. For the record I have Hille as my 2nd ruck and Warnock as my cover and if both of these guys were not playing that would be the only time Tippett will be switched, unless it's later in the season and Hille was cashed in or did his knee again. That way with the cash made from Hille and selling Lobbe, I can maybe get a gun forward and keep Tippett as 2nd ruck. Or keep both where they are if Hille becomes the 2010 H-Mac and Tippett breaks out.
Of course it's up to you, but I would have thought you would be able to uncover some good forward rookies. Check the "rate my team" posts

 

[doggies2010]

i have ziebell,dangerfield and pavlich in my forwardline which are also midfield options.

I currently have sam mitchell in my midfield and am thinking about trading him for ROK which will alow me to cover ziebell,dangerfield and pavlich if they miss any games and also allow a gun midfield rookie to take ROK place.

not sure what to do??? i think mitchell will post higher scores but ROK will help cover any gaps and is also a decent scorer.

any thoughts??

MPP is a very intersting addition this year but also if looked into too much may ruin your team.