My push for McKenna perferable to Malthouse...

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- If the needs are not addressed next year I will say our recruiting team is doing a poor job. What I won't do is single out the coach..

But the buck stops with the coach, it is his show, if the show doesn't work, the coach is not running his show correctly. Given there is 16 sides in the competition, it would suggest that you should win a flag every 16th year and that is if everyone raised to the glory once in that period, if you do, you can class yourself as average. Malthouse will be Malthouses 8th season, he has taken us to two Grand Final loses but since then we have went down hill, now we are rising again, but we are rising without the most, and the second most important ingredients to a football side. Malthouse should of seen to it, that the recruiters recruited someone that was going to assist Fraser, he didn't. He failed in that aspect.

- Jason was rubbish, game went by him. Notice how no club picked him up? It won't cost us Travis, please stop listening to trolls.
- I always thought Cameron was ok, but supposedly he had a poor attitude and kept getting injured. I have no idea if his attitude's changed, but he's still injured..

Jason wasn't much chop, I agree, but as a professional, the way Malthouse treated Cloke was nothing short of disgraceful, and knowing that Travis has a lot of respect for a father who has alot of influenceover him, and he isn't particularly happy with the treatment of his other boys. Wait until the money is thrown Travis's way, we see then.

- Scotland played over two-thirds of the games in his last two years. He averaged about 14 disposals and less than 1 tackle.

He was young, why is that an excuse for a Lonie, but not a Scotland?

- He's obviously improved his workrate since then and is doing well at Carlton, but he's still an outside player, something we have a surplus of. And at the time there was no reason for anyone to offer any more than a 4th rounder for him (as 14 disposal 1 tackle mids aren't exactly hot property).

Thats what happens when promising players get older, their deficiencies reduce, but like Licka and Johno, they resurface eventually. Scotland is purley an example of the club stepping backwards under Malthouse. We should of kept Scotland, then maybe we could of concertrated more on inside midfielders than outside receivers.

- My definition of the "best" coaches are the ones that consistently get lists performing at or close to their potential. By that definition Malthouse is one of the "best" coaches. Look, I have no problem with the club appointing someone else if they think there's a better candidate, or if the players are tuning out MM...but I'm not in a position to comment on that one way or the other.

We can only see the players tune in and out of their concerntrations on match day, and that is where it counts. How else do we judge whether the players are catching his drift, ask them, of course they will blow smoke up Malthouses backside, it is what any player that wants his spot on the list would say.

I can, however, say that firing MM for the reasons you've outlined would be foolish.[/QUOTE]

We will agree to disagree. I have to say you make some very good points though. At the end of the day, if we go with Malthouse again next year, he has to have a ruthless presuite for the players we are after (Ruckman, at least 1 in and under) and STOP playing favourites, lucky Morrison retired or I would of ended up throttling Malty on a dash down the race one day. If MM did this, I would like the bloke, but favourites I HATE.

 

[shawthing09]

I think people are getting carried away with the trend of "new young coaches" as if coaches have a used by date or something. As Jasbo said you do the best with the list your given and I think Mick and the coaching staff are doing just fine and if you remember rightly hawthorn have used the young inexperinced side excuse for about the last 5 years when they started there rebuilding, plus the end of season form has dropped away slightly and on top of all that i don't think its just our young players but our senior players also as i posted in one of the other threads we don't really have key players in anywhere near "peak age" (bar mayb Josh) we have the young and the very old in Burns Licca O'bree and i dare say the effects of the season are showing on both the young developing bodies and the aging bodies

 

[mdc]

We will agree to disagree. I have to say you make some very good points though. At the end of the day, if we go with Malthouse again next year, he has to have a ruthless presuite for the players we are after (Ruckman, at least 1 in and under) and STOP playing favourites, lucky Morrison retired or I would of ended up throttling Malty on a dash down the race one day. If MM did this, I would like the bloke, but favourites I HATE.

I think ultimately the difference is you believe it's the coach's responsibility to find players. I don't. In fact, IIRC a couple of years ago Malthouse appeared on Talking Footy and was asked about why WCE didn't draft Simon Black when Malthouse had said he liked him all along - his response was something like "Sure, as a coach you like certain players more than others, but at the end of the day it's not your call."

I agree (as do most Collingwood supporters) that we need help in the middle, and we need it fast. But I have faith that we can find a mid that can help us in the upcoming draft, and I pray we pluck a ruckman from somewhere (the disrespect of ruckmen being Malthouse's greatest flaw imho).

 

[PIEBOY]

Please tell me your kidding. Are you saying that Mick Malthouse has no fault for a player who is not motivated and lazy in the senior side, bloody oath is is, there are plenty of players in the two's who want to give it a shot. Simple theory for Malthouse and supporters to consider, Good performance=stay in, or be promoted, poor performance=get out or be demoted. Sick of passengers, turn them over, give them a prod, don't leave them there, they think there doing o.k.[/quote]


So you want to drop the whole side bar 4-5 players?
Thats my point there are more passengers then players MM is in charge of motivation but if you dont want to be motivated and dont listen whats the point.