NAB Cup Line-Up

[OZBomb]

Personally I think we showed far too much of our hand as far as forward line set-ups in the last years Wizard Cup (Wok). I'd like to go into this years NAB Cup round 1 with this line-up

B. Saddington Livingston Carrazzo
HB. Russell Thornton (c) Teague (vc)
C. Simpson Bentick Smith
HF. Davies Hartlett Houlihan
F. Edwards S. O'hAilpin Betts
Foll. McLaren Murphy Walker
Int. Bryan Bower Blackwell McGrath

Rested... Fisher, French, Koutoufides, Lappin, Scotland, Stevens, Waite and Whitnall.

Let me know your thoughts on that.

 

[Mr.Kennedy]

Personally I think we showed far too much of our hand as far as forward line set-ups in the last years Wizard Cup (Wok). I'd like to go into this years NAB Cup round 1 with this line-up

B. Saddington Livingston Carrazzo
HB. Russell Thornton (c) Teague (vc)
C. Simpson Bentick Smith
HF. Davies Hartlett Houlihan
F. Edwards S. O'hAilpin Betts
Foll. McLaren Murphy Walker
Int. Bryan Bower Blackwell McGrath

Rested... Fisher, French, Koutoufides, Lappin, Scotland, Stevens, Waite and Whitnall.

Let me know your thoughts on that.

Oz Bomb, I agree. You can have a couple more on bench in NAB Cup so I would throw in Chambers and Longmuir.

 

[Pivot]

Personally I think we showed far too much of our hand as far as forward line set-ups in the last years Wizard Cup (Wok). I'd like to go into this years NAB Cup round 1 with this line-up

B. Saddington Livingston Carrazzo
HB. Russell Thornton (c) Teague (vc)
C. Simpson Bentick Smith
HF. Davies Hartlett Houlihan
F. Edwards S. O'hAilpin Betts
Foll. McLaren Murphy Walker
Int. Bryan Bower Blackwell McGrath

Rested... Fisher, French, Koutoufides, Lappin, Scotland, Stevens, Waite and Whitnall.

Let me know your thoughts on that.

Wizard Cup had nothing to do with our poor season from last year. Other teams just didn't put as much as an emphasis on the WC as maybe the Blues did last year, which is fine.

Can't rest players too much in the NAB Cup. How else are they getting game time and form by playing on the bench or resting altogeher?

Agree with playing the kids and mixing things up a bit. Looking forward to Smith, Blackwell, Bentick, Simpson, Davies, Murphy, Walker, Russell and Carrazzo moving through the midfield. Heaps of talent there!

I think Hartlett will play a bit, showing great signs at the moment on the track. CHF does look good for him. Setanta will be interesting as will Bryan and McLaren. All big guys with potential, Bryan has bulked up also, so will be interesting to see how Pagan uses them.

 

[bibi01]

Personally I think we showed far too much of our hand as far as forward line set-ups in the last years Wizard Cup (Wok). I'd like to go into this years NAB Cup round 1 with this line-up

B. Saddington Livingston Carrazzo
HB. Russell Thornton (c) Teague (vc)
C. Simpson Bentick Smith
HF. Davies Hartlett Houlihan
F. Edwards S. O'hAilpin Betts
Foll. McLaren Murphy Walker
Int. Bryan Bower Blackwell McGrath

Rested... Fisher, French, Koutoufides, Lappin, Scotland, Stevens, Waite and Whitnall.

Let me know your thoughts on that.

i like the idea of giving the kids a go, but i still think we need to play our very best team

the only players who should not play are injured players

there is $230,000 up for grabs and we could do with that sort of money, it also means we hopefully won't have to travel all over the country side if we are in the comp till the end

 

[OZBomb]

You could still play senior players in the Regional Challenge series out of view.

I wasn't suggesting that it was the reason we had a bad year, but it certainly didn't help at the start of the season.

 

[Salaryman]

Oz, i was thinking about posting this sort of thread too, given we can try out some stuff, give the rookies as a chance as well, but i still think we need a balance of senior experience so the boys don't get smashed. So accounting for some injuries:

B: Saddington Hartlett Smith
HB: Russell Thornton Stevens
C: Carazzo Bentick Simpson
HF: Blackwell Whitnall Fisher
F: Betts O'Hailpin Edwards

Foll: McLaren, Walker, Murphy

Int: Livo Lappin Houlihan Bryan Kouta Davies



Give Hartlett a trial at FB, but we have Saddington, Livo or Thorntono to go there if he is struggling. Might be a good chance to give Carazzo a chance to play some time in the midfield, start Smith at BP like Ratts did. Stevens to add some senior experience to the backline and work up some match fitness

 

[blueheart]

B. Carrazzo Thornton Teague
HB.Saddington Bower Russell
C. Simpson Walker Murphy
HF.Hartlett Fisher Scotland
F. Betts Whitnall Lappin
R. McLaren Stevens Bentick
I. Kouta, Livingston, McGrath, Houlihan, O'hAilpin, French
INJ: Waite, Fevola
IN MIX: Wiggins, Davies, Sporn, Longmuir, Houlihan, Chambers

 

[HBF]

Personally I think we showed far too much of our hand as far as forward line set-ups in the last years Wizard Cup (Wok). I'd like to go into this years NAB Cup round 1 with this line-up

B. Saddington Livingston Carrazzo
HB. Russell Thornton (c) Teague (vc)
C. Simpson Bentick Smith
HF. Davies Hartlett Houlihan
F. Edwards S. O'hAilpin Betts
Foll. McLaren Murphy Walker
Int. Bryan Bower Blackwell McGrath

Rested... Fisher, French, Koutoufides, Lappin, Scotland, Stevens, Waite and Whitnall.

Let me know your thoughts on that.

Great idea Oz, however I suspect the club will do what they did this year and play the best available players. It's on of Pagans things. Why not play on better grounds around the country than playing on some "cow paddock" in Shepparton.

 

[OZBomb]

There's been some good points made and I appreciate the feedback.

I hope we don't run all our in season set-ups during the NAB Cup even if they use the best available players.

 

[Andyt30]

we've done alright in the past when we use to play kids only no senior players.
this was the first year we played senior players that why we won this year
we'd struggle in the preseason but when proper season came we play fine
if we had played senior players in the preseaon we could have won it alot more

cheers

 

[XXX KINGS]

I wasn't suggesting that it was the reason we had a bad year, but it certainly didn't help at the start of the season.

I disagree. We carried good form from the Wizard Cup into the home and away season. We didn't get flogged till the Richmond game which was round seven. I can't see how us winning 4 matches in a row nine weeks prior to it could result in our poor form. I think after the Richmond loss the boys took a huge confidence battering as they expected to win it! I think a lot of our season can be attributed to that game. I am not saying it's the reason we finished last, however, it was the first of a huge losing streak and it can't go unnoticed. There is too much cash up for graps in the Wizard Cup to not attempt winning it. Many people say winning it was a disadvantage but I disagree. I don't think it had any effect on our season other than a good confidence boost early. I hope we do all we can to win it as long as the welfare of the players is taken into account. To purposely play a team of inexperienced players would do the club no service at all.

 

[audas]

Wiggins ?

 

[Pivot]

I disagree. We carried good form from the Wizard Cup into the home and away season. We didn't get flogged till the Richmond game which was round seven. I can't see how us winning 4 matches in a row nine weeks prior to it could result in our poor form. I think after the Richmond loss the boys took a huge confidence battering as they expected to win it! I think a lot of our season can be attributed to that game. I am not saying it's the reason we finished last, however, it was the first of a huge losing streak and it can't go unnoticed. There is too much cash up for graps in the Wizard Cup to not attempt winning it. Many people say winning it was a disadvantage but I disagree. I don't think it had any effect on our season other than a good confidence boost early. I hope we do all we can to win it as long as the welfare of the players is taken into account. To purposely play a team of inexperienced players would do the club no service at all.

Have to agree with you here. We should try to win the WC again. If we don't, no harm, but I think we need to expose our players as often as possible to games like the WC GF, better than playing in a country town.

More positives would come from winning or at least trying to win the WC than pretending we have much to hide from oppoosition teams. I totally agree about playing some kids but feel that we get more from playing Kouta, Stevens, etc (if fit) in the WC to get some match hardness, intensity, fitness and touch.

 

[mediumsizered]

I disagree. We carried good form from the Wizard Cup into the home and away season. We didn't get flogged till the Richmond game which was round seven. I can't see how us winning 4 matches in a row nine weeks prior to it could result in our poor form. I think after the Richmond loss the boys took a huge confidence battering as they expected to win it! I think a lot of our season can be attributed to that game. I am not saying it's the reason we finished last, however, it was the first of a huge losing streak and it can't go unnoticed. There is too much cash up for graps in the Wizard Cup to not attempt winning it. Many people say winning it was a disadvantage but I disagree. I don't think it had any effect on our season other than a good confidence boost early. I hope we do all we can to win it as long as the welfare of the players is taken into account. To purposely play a team of inexperienced players would do the club no service at all.

Very good post. I wonder how different things might have been if Thornton hadn't gone down in the WC Grand Final and then Livingstone in Round 1 against the Kangas. A win in that first round followed by our win against the Bombers in Round 2 and also the game we should have won against Collingwood in Round 3 and the season might have been a lot different. Both those losses were as a result of the key forwards stepping up, Rocca & Thompson for North, Tarrant & Rocca for the Maggies. If we had both Thornton and Livo in those games the results might have been different and therefore the confidence gained during the Wizard Cup would have continued to grow during the home and away season.

 

[Silvagnis]

I'd trial Hartlett and O'Hailpin as the two key forwards in this game and run Lance off the bench this early in the season.Love to see Blackwell and Murphy get a game early, but I want to see Russell given Campo's position more than Simpson who needs to learn to be more accountable and do the one percenters.

B. Livingston Thornton Carrazzo
HB. Teague Saddington Russell
C. Walker Bentick Simpson
HF. Fisher Hartlett Houlihan
F. Betts O'Hailpin Deluca
R. McLaren Stevens Blackwell

I/C. Batson Wiggins Sporn Davies Chambers Murphy Bannister Longmuir Whitnall Bryan

Rested. French Kouta

Inj. Fevola Waite

 

[Jeremias]

i would really like us to take a more youth based team in the wizard cup. i dont mind if we lose, im used to it, but we must start breeding the young kids in games. and im not just saying give them 10-20 minutes a game...give them 3 quaters to run around and get used to playing in the big league. sure we may get murdered, but the players will be better off with the experience

B: Russell--Saddington--Hartlett
HB: Houlihan--Thornton--Carrazzo
C: Simpson--Murphy--Walker
HF:Fisher--Waite-- Scotland
F:Betts--S. O'hAilpin--Longmuir
R: McLaren--Murphy--Stevens
Int: Livingston--Davies--Blackwell--Bentick--Bower--McGrath--Sporn--Deluca--Edwards

*If we have a LTI, Smith comes in, McGrath goes out
*Face the facts, LIVO CANNOT PLAY AT FULL BACK. he is clueless down there. give him a shot in the forward line, see if he remembers why he originally got drafted (AS A FORWARD!!!!!!!!)
*Davies can be dangerous but he MUST be given adequate time in the middle of the ground!

i think a lot of these guys will make it, they just need to be given time (the youngsters of course) and the NAB cup is a perfect time to give them this game time experience which they need.

thoughts???

 

[cogs24]

i would really like us to take a more youth based team in the wizard cup. i dont mind if we lose, im used to it, but we must start breeding the young kids in games. and im not just saying give them 10-20 minutes a game...give them 3 quaters to run around and get used to playing in the big league. sure we may get murdered, but the players will be better off with the experience

B: Russell--Saddington--Hartlett
HB: Houlihan--Thornton--Carrazzo
C: Simpson--Murphy--Walker
HF:Fisher--Waite-- Scotland
F:Betts--S. O'hAilpin--Longmuir
R: McLaren--Murphy--Stevens
Int: Livingston--Davies--Blackwell--Bentick--Bower--McGrath--Sporn--Deluca--Edwards

*If we have a LTI, Smith comes in, McGrath goes out
*Face the facts, LIVO CANNOT PLAY AT FULL BACK. he is clueless down there. give him a shot in the forward line, see if he remembers why he originally got drafted (AS A FORWARD!!!!!!!!)
*Davies can be dangerous but he MUST be given adequate time in the middle of the ground!

i think a lot of these guys will make it, they just need to be given time (the youngsters of course) and the NAB cup is a perfect time to give them this game time experience which they need.

thoughts???

Do you have two murphys or did you put marc in twice??

 

[gandaal]

Do you have two murphys or did you put marc in twice??

Carlton has been funding research into experiemental cloning of late, it's why we've been struggling finanically of late, but it will start to pay dividends next season when we have two Marc Murphy's running around, 3 Bret Thorntons, 5 Nick Stevens and two new Stephen Silvagni's (COSOS and COSOS 2).

 

[XXX KINGS]

*Face the facts, LIVO CANNOT PLAY AT FULL BACK. he is clueless down there. give him a shot in the forward line, see if he remembers why he originally got drafted (AS A FORWARD!!!!!!!!)

This is one thing I never understand. How many forwards kick a bag on Livo. He is very accountable. This year when he played I thought he had stepped up quite a fair bit. He can't kick to save himself but he keeps his opponent pretty quiet. He will never be a champion but I think there can always be a place in the backline for a player with as much effort as him. He tries his guts out and does a servicible job on his opponent. I'd love to see how he goes on an oppositions third best forward. He reminds me a lot of Prestigiacomo. I admit to being a big fan of Livo simply for the fact he tries so hard. He has been dealt with some cruel injuries that have effected his ability but he never gives up. Livo gets my thumbs up.

 

[XXX KINGS]

i would really like us to take a more youth based team in the wizard cup. i dont mind if we lose, im used to it, but we must start breeding the young kids in games. and im not just saying give them 10-20 minutes a game...give them 3 quaters to run around and get used to playing in the big league. sure we may get murdered, but the players will be better off with the experience

I am sorry but this is not a good experience. The best experience a young player gets is a slow apprenticeship into a competitive team. You learn from the other senior players around you. That is why it is so important to have a well balanced side of both mature and more or less immature players. We want a winning culture and if we expose these young talented players at this moment in time we will see some serious confidence batterings. I am not suggesting wrapping our young players in cotton wool, however, I am suggesting we rotate them in and out of the side equally so they get the same valuable experience. If they are well and truely up to AFL standard then they should be getting a game. If they aren't don't play them for the sake of it.

 

[Silvagnis]

Carlton has been funding research into experiemental cloning of late, it's why we've been struggling finanically of late, but it will start to pay dividends next season when we have two Marc Murphy's running around, 3 Bret Thorntons, 5 Nick Stevens and two new Stephen Silvagni's (COSOS and COSOS 2).

I want two Deluca clones, 3 Livingstons, 4 Wiggins and 4 Sporns because that will get us back on top!

 

[stokesy]

I would really like to see Davies play pretty much 4 quarters of footy for every pre-season game...

He dominates VFL and he has done good things in the senior ranks, only to be benched again which ruins his momentum.

Interestingly I read Terry Daniher believes Justin Davies is one of the futures of Carlton, so that means that we are looking at him to be a good player and not someone we delist at the end of this coming season.

Justin Davies is one of many players I will be interested in.

 

[irish_setanta]

Personally I think we showed far too much of our hand as far as forward line set-ups in the last years Wizard Cup (Wok). I'd like to go into this years NAB Cup round 1 with this line-up

B. Saddington Livingston Carrazzo
HB. Russell Thornton (c) Teague (vc)
C. Simpson Bentick Smith
HF. Davies Hartlett Houlihan
F. Edwards S. O'hAilpin Betts
Foll. McLaren Murphy Walker
Int. Bryan Bower Blackwell McGrath

Rested... Fisher, French, Koutoufides, Lappin, Scotland, Stevens, Waite and Whitnall.

Let me know your thoughts on that.

Couldnt agree more, time to see what these young guys have got.

 

[Da Shag On Fire]

I would really like to see Davies play pretty much 4 quarters of footy for every pre-season game...

He dominates VFL and he has done good things in the senior ranks, only to be benched again which ruins his momentum.

Interestingly I read Terry Daniher believes Justin Davies is one of the futures of Carlton, so that means that we are looking at him to be a good player and not someone we delist at the end of this coming season.

Justin Davies is one of many players I will be interested in.

You cant not be serious. IMO and many others he is not up to AFL standard. He has been around the traps long enough to make an impression. How many more seasons do we have to retain this hack??

 

[irish_setanta]

Do you have two murphys or did you put marc in twice??

Maybe he wants justin murphy back?