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So let me get this straight, there is a school of thought amongst some that, if there are 10 players in a group, you would rather struggle to beat 9 of them and have a winning record against 1 ... versus ... dominating against 9 and have a losing record against 1. This seems illogical and strange.

This seems to be the case in the Nadal vs Federer comparison. The pro rafa fans point to Nadal's record against Federer and say he has a winning H2H but then conveniently forget about his failure to consistently final in the big tournaments. They back this up by conveniently forgetting about Federer's record of making 19 of the last 20 slam finals.

I just can't see how the pro rafa fans have an argument, aside form this 'winning H2H' there is nothing else to suggest that Nadal is better than Federer or even diminishes Federer's record.
 
CanonNo1 said:
The pro rafa fans point to Nadal's record against Federer and say he has a winning H2H but then conveniently forget about his failure to consistently final in the big tournaments. They back this up by conveniently forgetting about Federer's record of making 19 of the last 20 slam finals.
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Those wacky Nadal fans.
But hey, if it's on mens tennis forums, then it must be true!
 
CanonNo1 said:
Its simple evolution of a tennis player. The majority of 'greats' (mcenroe, borg, edberg, sampras, federer) did not have a heavy reliance on the the 'nadal' style traits - absurd physical strength coupled with a heavy reliance on their defensive play and ability to 'run' down a ball (maybe coupled with a good shot either server/backhand/forehand)
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wtf? you might wanna look up on nadals injury history before making ridiculous comments like "he is burnt out".He had knee troubles since the age of 16 and in 2003-04 had serious problems with his elbow and then hip.Its not cause of his gameplan, its just that he is injuryprone. These years he is running down fewer balls, flattened his forehand out with his backhand as well.In the Murray match he didnt really make that many defensive efforts, infact he was the one dictating play which is encouraging.
 
gaelictiogar said:
At last we are having some kind of sensible discussion about Nadal instead of the usual pro or anti slanging match. The man has 40 plus weeks at number one and 6 slam titles. A superb achievement and he will always be remembered for a game which game Federer, the greatest player we have seen so much trouble.

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and not as the greatest claycourter ever??? wow, sensible indeed :rolleyes:
 

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Just because Nadal hasn't finalled in as many slams as federer has, doesn't mean he 'consistently' fails to final.

Nadal, at the age of 23.5, has finalled in 8 grand slams.

At the exact same age, Federer had finalled in 4 grand slams.

On top of that, at the age of 23.5, I'd say Nadal would've finalled more than nearly every other men's tennis player in history.

Consistently fails to final? What a ****ing joke. hahaha laughable
 
Power King said:
Just because Nadal hasn't finalled in as many slams as federer has, doesn't mean he 'consistently' fails to final.

Nadal, at the age of 23.5, has finalled in 8 grand slams.

At the exact same age, Federer had finalled in 4 grand slams.

On top of that, at the age of 23.5, I'd say Nadal would've finalled more than nearly every other men's tennis player in history.

Consistently fails to final? What a ****ing joke. hahaha laughable
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This forum is a joke, people think you can only be consistent if you can match federers consistency, which is a joke anyway.Nadal had been more consistent in slams that any other player out there in this decade except Federer. :rolleyes: ,he always goes deep in the tournament even on his least favourite surface.

Clueless people should stop kidding themselves.
 
Greatest clay courter ever? Bjorn would have something to say there... 6 french opens is more than 4...
 

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Yet you have only posted in this thread (surprise, surprise) and once in the Aust Open thread throughout this entire tournament :rolleyes:

You did a pretty fair effort to not post, why bother coming back, particulatly given this forum is a "joke?"
 
Total Power said:
do you only post here when fed wins something? i dont see u here otherwise.
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Seeing that Fed has won most in the history of Grand Slams, what is your point?
 
MaccaKnowsBest said:
Yet you have only posted in this thread (surprise, surprise) and once in the Aust Open thread throughout this entire tournament :rolleyes:

You did a pretty fair effort to not post, why bother coming back, particulatly given this forum is a "joke?"
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I havent posted for quite a while, not only on bigfooty tennis forum but anywhere else on bigfooty cause of my job..i have to travel regularly to US and that makes it impossible for me to spend time online.

Anyhow, instead of rolling eyes and abusing the smiley, why dont you address the consistency point i brought up?????
 
Ricketts said:
Nothing better than a Federer GS title to bring Total Power out of his box.

Been enjoying the previous 3 years of his decline?
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funny back then even fed fans agreed with me. Proves they are nothing but bandwagoners.Anyhow, good on fed for winning the title, i must agree he played very good tennis today.
 
Total Power said:
I havent posted for quite a while, not only on bigfooty tennis forum but anywhere else on bigfooty cause of my job..i have to travel regularly to US and that makes it impossible for me to spend time online.
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Cool story

Total Power said:
Anyhow, instead of rolling eyes and abusing the smiley, why dont you address the consistency point i brought up?????
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When you answer my question...
 

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Total Power said:
trying to educate naive *****s like you :)
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Yeah, we all need to be told again how Federer is an average player that has succeeded only because of cakewalk draws and a lack of talent throughout the rest of the tennis world. You truly are a genius with what seems like limitless knowledge of tennis. I hope you enjoyed the final. Bitter ****wit.
 
TimeIsRunningOut said:
Yeah, we all need to be told again how Federer is an average player that has succeeded only because of cakewalk draws and a lack of talent throughout the rest of the tennis world. You truly are a genius with what seems like limitless knowledge of tennis. I hope you enjoyed the final. Bitter ****wit.
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lol bandwagon on full swing me thinks :D
 
Ricketts said:
Nothing better than a Federer GS title to bring Total Power out of his box.

Been enjoying the previous 3 years of his decline?
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Indeed. That pesky seven year transitional period just goes n and on and on.

As for nadal's being clay court king....he almost certainly is and he might be remembered for that if his fans could get over their obsession with his clay built H2H V the GOAT.

I'm sure in deepest Argentina there are old forgotten TP clones saying "oh but McEnroe the yankee gringo didn't beat Vilas on clay so Vilas is better than him." That'll be TP in future sitting in a lonely AAMI with the other 4,000 Port faithful ranting about Fed.
 
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