Player Watch Nathan Freeman

[ThePhantom777]

I reckon we have done our dough on him. He is finished before he has even started. Of course, I am not a great optimist at the best of times, let alone the worst. As for Reid ... at least we got some games out of him before his body disintegrated.

Should we delist Reid at the end of the season? 2 years, 4 senior games is a disgrace.

 

[Mkcaptain]

Something else everyone forgets

Luke Ball does his ACL - sent back onto the field (first time I've ever seen or heard of that happening)

Abbott does his shoulder (needs reco) - sent back onto the field

Tim Broomhead does a serious shoulder injury (might need surgery) - sent back onto the field

Ben Sinclair carefully managed for 3 quarters of game time - sent onto the field in the last because the game was in the balance and ends up missing the next 1-2 weeks.

There are many other examples too, like Cloke coming into a match with a dodgy calf then tearing it in the first 5 mins.. but hey, we could go on forever and it's beyond doubt anyway that the Collingwood medical staff are simply beyond question (because we don't have medical degrees ).

And that's my rant done for the day

Don't forget the worst one of all in my opinion. Shaz going back onto the field last year

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Should we delist Reid at the end of the season? 2 years, 4 senior games is a disgrace.

Surely there needs to be a serious appraisal of where he is at physically. I see he is named to play VFL this week. Maybe this will be the start of a long stretch of games spanning not only the few games left this season but years to come. The problem with delisting him is his contract. The neck of our club is burdened with so many albatrosses that it's a wonder it hasn't totally cracked under the strain of carrying them all.

 

[ottoman]

Should we delist Reid at the end of the season? 2 years, 4 senior games is a disgrace.

Last night I watched some games from past seasons. Man, I had forgotten how good this guy is. Unless the club has information which suggests he will always continue to be prone to injury I would persist with him. He is a genuine gun.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Should we delist Reid at the end of the season? 2 years, 4 senior games is a disgrace.

IMO yes. We won't get much use out of him anymore. He needs to be replaced with a guy like Hurley if we are to keep improving.

 

[neilk]

Should we delist Reid at the end of the season? 2 years, 4 senior games is a disgrace.

Give him one more game as a sub to get him to 100 in case there's any father/son action.

 

[ClaytonM]

IMO yes. We won't get much use out of him anymore. He needs to be replaced with a guy like Hurley if we are to keep improving.

What is the point we would have to pay him out. He certainly will not play if not on our list but we still pay. Silly in my opinion.

The reward if he gets back to full fitness is to big to cut him loose now. It only becomes an option in my opinion if Reid loses the drive to keep going.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

IMO yes. We won't get much use out of him anymore. He needs to be replaced with a guy like Hurley if we are to keep improving.

Two quick points.

1) We would have to pay out Reid.

2) How do we get Hurley.

Just silly imo

 

[NT.Thunder]

Something else everyone forgets

Luke Ball does his ACL - sent back onto the field (first time I've ever seen or heard of that happening)

Abbott does his shoulder (needs reco) - sent back onto the field

Tim Broomhead does a serious shoulder injury (might need surgery) - sent back onto the field

Ben Sinclair carefully managed for 3 quarters of game time - sent onto the field in the last because the game was in the balance and ends up missing the next 1-2 weeks.

There are many other examples too, like Cloke coming into a match with a dodgy calf then tearing it in the first 5 mins.. but hey, we could go on forever and it's beyond doubt anyway that the Collingwood medical staff are simply beyond question (because we don't have medical degrees ).

And that's my rant done for the day

It looks poor and is when put like that but I'd say that there would be evidence of this at most if not all AFL clubs.

 

[THATSGOLD]

What is the point we would have to pay him out. He certainly will not play if not on our list but we still pay. Silly in my opinion.

The reward if he gets back to full fitness is to big to cut him loose now. It only becomes an option in my opinion if Reid loses the drive to keep going.

He's taking up a senior list spot as is Freeman. Need to find two players in this country that can get on the park it would be a positive already.

 

[No SPIN]

He's taking up a senior list spot as is Freeman. Need to find two players in this country that can get on the park it would be a positive already.

And when Reid and Freeman go elswhere and star - you'll whinge that the club should not have let them go.
Give it a spell.

 

[ZEV]

And when Reid and Freeman go elswhere and star - you'll whinge that the club should not have let them go.
Give it a spell.

Well you would be upset that another club could actually get them on the field

 

[Apex36]

Should we delist Reid at the end of the season? 2 years, 4 senior games is a disgrace.

Unless we want to pay him out around $2 million, no.

 

[Kappa]

Reid and Cloke's contracts are a ball and chain on our salary cap

We are getting extremely poor value for money on both.

The only two long term contracts I can remember the club doing in recent times too

 

[DAWESOME!!]

No I have always understood that mistakes are made, I just don't jump immediately to conclusions of incompetence and calls for sackings.

Overall I think the club has got most major decisions right. At times they do things that I would not in way of selections etc, but they have access to far more information than I so that is understandable. Some people just like to jump on every perceived mistake the club makes for their own amusement.

I'm not annoyed at the club for drafting Scharenberg or Freeman. Them getting the injuries they got are bad luck. That doesn't mean they won't hurt us long term, but then life isn't fair.

I do think there is an issue in terms of why so many of our injuries that are, or have the potential to be, chronic have dragged on so badly. Yeah, Freeman's one could be a freak. Yeah, Reid might just be made of tissue paper. But there have been lots of them like that, too many to be satisfied that it's just bad luck.

 

[THATSGOLD]

And when Reid and Freeman go elswhere and star - you'll whinge that the club should not have let them go.
Give it a spell.

They can't star if they aren't playing. No one would take Reid now. Doubt anyone would touch Freeman now either.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Reid and Cloke's contracts are a ball and chain on our salary cap

We are getting extremely poor value for money on both.

The only two long term contracts I can remember the club doing in recent times too

Pendlebury signed for 5 years?

 

[Harry O]

Kappa reminds me of Rohan Tateson. Anyone seen them in the same room?

 

[Bucksboys]

No one would take Reid now. Doubt anyone would touch Freeman now either.

You can't be that stupid

 

[Kappa]

They can't star if they aren't playing. No one would take Reid now. Doubt anyone would touch Freeman now either.

We would still get a 2nd round pick for Freeman.

 

[ClaytonM]

He's taking up a senior list spot as is Freeman. Need to find two players in this country that can get on the park it would be a positive already.

Well worth the risk for next year at least. We already lose Keeffe and Thomas and probably would expect young. That is enough for next year.

Reid and freeman are both first round picks. You don't throw them out for nothing due to impatients. To do so would be incompetence.

 

[THATSGOLD]

We would still get a 2nd round pick for Freeman.

Who would be silly enough to give away their pick in the 20s for a guy that can't get on the park when you can pick a guy ready to go?

 

[Markfs]

Heard it from a work college that has a friend at Pies, Been told he'll play,

 

[Jasper84]

Heard it from a work college that has a friend at Pies, Been told he'll play,

NMIT or Kangan?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Especially on the back of Reid's continuing ailments, ditto Sinclair,

Agree, Freeman, Reid and Sinclair's soft tissue injuries are a concern. I guess Marsh has been a more positive story (tore the tendon off the bone last year, gotten back on the park in good form this year) ...

Ramsay's shin,

This is surely in a different category? Not unlike Kennedy's shin problems perhaps?

Oxley's ankle in 2014,

A similar injury ended Maxwell's career, and probably limited D.Thomas' career. Oxley at least seems to have made a full recovery which is great to see

Broomhead's recent shoulder injury

I'd say they've improved if anything. It wasn't so long ago we had four players out at one time a with Shoulder reco's (Brown, Hartley, I can't remember who the other two were)

and Maxwell's ankle last year. Our injured players take longer than any other clubs to get up to speed at VFL level and then don't return anyway so it's a real melon scratcher!

Balmy, Bucks seem to be using the phrase "but we're being conservative" when discussing any player's return from injury.