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Truck Rutten said:
Reilly hasn't shown enough on field to suggest that he's capable of a leadership role. I think Thommo has taken some steps this year towards being part of the leadership group. He still needs to cut down on the clumsy free kicks he gives away, but has shown he has the mental strength to stand up when the chips are down.
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Reilly is miles off being leadership material.
 
Truck Rutten said:
Reilly hasn't shown enough on field to suggest that he's capable of a leadership role. I think Thommo has taken some steps this year towards being part of the leadership group. He still needs to cut down on the clumsy free kicks he gives away, but has shown he has the mental strength to stand up when the chips are down.
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Too many other better short and long term options than Reilly and Thommo at this stage.

Truck - Goody - VB - Stiffy
 
SpringChoke said:
Reilly is miles off being leadership material.
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You're preaching to the converted here mate. He should be a far more consistent contributor by this stage of his career. To be honest, I'd be happy to trade him if we were reasonably compensated.
 
Mad Dog said:
Too many other better short and long term options than Reilly and Thommo at this stage.

Truck - Goody - VB - Stiffy
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I was only talking about the possibility of Thommo getting into the leadership group.
 

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Can't see VB becoming the NEXT Captain of the AFL. I think he WILL Captain the side, but that time is still a while off.

Roo is on record as saying that he will stand down from the Captaincy at the end of 2007. At which time, VB will be 21 years of age, with approximately 50-60 games to his credit. That's a lot of responsibility for one so young, with so little experience.

I would expect the next Captain to come from the next age group up. Most likely contenders at this stage would be Thompson & Rutten, both of whom would be 24 with around 100 & 80 games respectively.

However, Thompson is not as consistent as I would like, and I'm not overly enamoured with the idea of having the Captain at fullback.

Hence, it is entirely possible that a "caretaker" Captain may be appointed for 2-3 years until The Great Man is ready to assume his post.
 
What I like about this kid is that he is SO realiable no matter where you play him. I just have enormous respect for the way he goes about his footy. Early on, Didak had a serious case of bad BO as no one would get within a bull's roar of him. He was carving us up early. Enter his highness and Didak all of a sudden was quitened down. Then the great one gets sent into the midfield and goes after every ball like its his last.

I can't remember the last time I have been so impressed by a youngster at our club. If he sticks around, I think there is no doubt that VB will one day captain this team. I do agree that its a bit early for him to take over from Roo but he would still be in the leadership group with an eye on the captaincy position.

Thommo is a bit inconsistent but what I like about him this year is that he has cut down his silly frees against and when the chips are down, Thommo rises to the challenge and plays at his best. This is the trait that tells me he could be one of those players that rises to another level with the captaincy. He might find it a bit tough early (Just like Roo did) but IMHO, he has the potential to be a great leader and that sort of responsibility will take his game to another level. Just my opinion.
 
I think you guys are getting alittle carried away. Good player in the future, yes. But I dont think he has done much at all to attribute this star status you guys think he will become. VB averages under 10 posessions a game, will he ever add sufficient weight? He has been trying to add weight since he was 14 with not so great results.
 
David_Brent said:
I think you guys are getting alittle carried away. Good player in the future, yes. But I dont think he has done much at all to attribute this star status you guys think he will become. VB averages under 10 posessions a game, will he ever add sufficient weight? He has been trying to add weight since he was 14 with not so great results.
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VB is already adding weight, he is bigger this year than he was last year for sure.

The possessions statistics is misleading, for most of his games he has been blooded by Neil Craig, often last season he would only play a quarter or so of the game. We dont believe in burning talented youngsters out like other teams. What is impressive however is his tendency to throw himself at the ball, and not take a backwards step, whether it means breaking his collarbone diving headfirst at Mal Michael, or dishing out a handball a minute later.
 
I agree that posessions dont mean a whole lot, however, I think its a long bow to draw to say he will be a superstar when he really hasnt proven much on the AFL stage to suggest he has 'star' qualities ie. the qualities of someone like Buckley. At VB's age, Buckley was an out and out gun like Judd.
 
David_Brent said:
I think you guys are getting alittle carried away. Good player in the future, yes. But I dont think he has done much at all to attribute this star status you guys think he will become. VB averages under 10 posessions a game, will he ever add sufficient weight? He has been trying to add weight since he was 14 with not so great results.
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He's averaging 12.5 per game last year, up from 6.5 in his rookie season.

Good players learn how to get the ball more as their career develops. Simon Goodwin, Tyson Edwards, Graham Johncock all started off as 10 possession per game players (Edwards for his first 5 years), as did guns in other sides - Dal Santo, Hayes, Mitchell, Chapman to pick a few.

What impresses with Nathan Van Berlo, as impressed with all those other players, is firstly his ability to win the footy, rather than have it extracted for him; and secondly, the dramatic improvement in the way he uses it.
 
marvin said:
He's averaging 12.5 per game last year, up from 6.5 in his rookie season.

Good players learn how to get the ball more as their career develops. Simon Goodwin, Tyson Edwards, Graham Johncock all started off as 10 possession per game players (Edwards for his first 5 years), as did guns in other sides - Dal Santo, Hayes, Mitchell, Chapman to pick a few.

What impresses with Nathan Van Berlo, as impressed with all those other players, is firstly his ability to win the footy, rather than have it extracted for him; and secondly, the dramatic improvement in the way he uses it.
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Wholeheartedly agree with this post. :thumbsu: . The kid is growing on me rapidly like tinea.
 

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swanfan said:
The kid is growing on me rapidly like tinea.
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Interesting analogy.

12.5 possies is not a huge amount but I do agree he shows huge potential.

The boy is young and we will get a better idea as to where he is at when he hits 50 games.
 
marvin said:
He's averaging 12.5 per game last year, up from 6.5 in his rookie season.

Good players learn how to get the ball more as their career develops. Simon Goodwin, Tyson Edwards, Graham Johncock all started off as 10 possession per game players (Edwards for his first 5 years), as did guns in other sides - Dal Santo, Hayes, Mitchell, Chapman to pick a few.

What impresses with Nathan Van Berlo, as impressed with all those other players, is firstly his ability to win the footy, rather than have it extracted for him; and secondly, the dramatic improvement in the way he uses it.
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and people need to remember that he plays in defense !
 
Drummond said:
Surely this guy is the next captain of the AFC? He is just an exceptional young player, and words cannot describe the commitment and courage this guy displays on a weekly basis. In one contest tonight, he was running straight towards a Collingwood player who had a full head of steam, and I was holding my breathe. He is just returned from a broken collarbone and yet there were no second thoughts towards the contest. This is what VB is all about.

And then as he finally came on the field in the second quarter, he applied a brilliant tackle on Rocca which resulted in a turnover. VB is just the most fearless player in our team, and he is also very skillful. Whenever he’s on the ground we look a better side and I don't know why it takes Craig so long to put him on.

Next captain of the Adelaide Football Club? Must be high up on the list. :thumbsu:
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VB is a great player and I don't want limit his ability, but I think he should be our number one tagger. In the modern game you need speed, agility, skill, size, work ethic (mentally), endurance as well as the old fashion courage and footy smarts. I believe VB has all these attributes. Size and experience is the only thing Rob Shirley has over VB, but VB belies his size and age.

No this is not a campaign against Rob Shirley (for those sensitive supporters), I am trying to be objective (I like every crows player). Given the modern game I think VB could compete with all the guns in a run with roll. The type of stars this modern game dishes up (the likes of Judd/Cousins), a fit VB is a much better proposition that Shirley.

I think VB can play the run with role to greater effect ie being more damaging with the ball on the counter attack. Let's be honest Shirley doesn't offer much offensively by way of possessions or mere usage. Having said that, omitting Shirley, would create a position for a more creative/attacking player.

Your thoughts...? Try to be objective (I'm not interested in how much you love Rob!). It's the business end of the season. Time to make tough decisions...
 
lunacy said:
Your thoughts...? Try to be objective (I'm not interested in how much you love Rob!). It's the business end of the season. Time to make tough decisions...
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It's an easy decision. They'll both play, as currently is the case. :thumbsu:
 
lunacy said:
I think VB can play the run with role to greater effect ie being more damaging with the ball on the counter attack. Let's be honest Shirley doesn't offer much offensively by way of possessions or mere usage. Having said that, omitting Shirley, would create a position for a more creative/attacking player.

Your thoughts...? Try to be objective (I'm not interested in how much you love Rob!). It's the business end of the season. Time to make tough decisions...
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Shirley is a BIG part of the side. Need both in the team.
 

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David_Brent said:
I agree that posessions dont mean a whole lot, however, I think its a long bow to draw to say he will be a superstar when he really hasnt proven much on the AFL stage to suggest he has 'star' qualities ie. the qualities of someone like Buckley. At VB's age, Buckley was an out and out gun like Judd.
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reasonable post
 
Don't think Buckley was playing at VB's age.
Buckley has played at the same level his entire career, obviously just something that was thought to be reminiscant of Buckley.
Not really worth comparing anyone to Judd.
 

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