National Draft strategy - local vs interstate

[No 1 Draft Pick]

I strongly believe you go local if the interstate player is only slightly better.

Lets look at what seems to be a growing phenomena in the AFL and certainly the Crows. Draft young talented interstate guys put 2-5 yrs development into them and all of a sudden they want to go home in their early 20's. So many cases to choose from - you dont normally seem to get a good deal in terms of trading them either (eg Power last yr and this yr). The Crows trade of Stenglein appears to be an exception to the rule.

The funny thing is recycled players in their mid 20's dont appear to suffer the same anxieties and are more than willing to travel anywhere to get a gig - obviously more desparate to play. Unfortunately though 'recyclyed playes' by their nature have less talent than the star youngsters I am referring to above.

SO onto this yrs draft. All guess work I know but heres my early guess:

pick 8 Wood (or Monfries) depending on availbility
pick 24 Redden, if we dont get Monfries. Otherwise Hartlett perhaps
pick 28 Juniper - potential! Might not be there at 40
pick 40 Pearce - quick outsider
pick 56 ??

Give us 1-2 ruck, and a couple of midfielders - our major needs

 

[Mad Dog]

I strongly believe you go local if the interstate player is only slightly better.

Lets look at what seems to be a growing phenomena in the AFL and certainly the Crows. Draft young talented interstate guys put 2-5 yrs development into them and all of a sudden they want to go home in their early 20's. So many cases to choose from - you dont normally seem to get a good deal in terms of trading them either (eg Power last yr and this yr). The Crows trade of Stenglein appears to be an exception to the rule.

The funny thing is recycled players in their mid 20's dont appear to suffer the same anxieties and are more than willing to travel anywhere to get a gig - obviously more desparate to play. Unfortunately though 'recyclyed playes' by their nature have less talent than the star youngsters I am referring to above.

SO onto this yrs draft. All guess work I know but heres my early guess:

pick 8 Wood (or Monfries) depending on availbility
pick 24 Redden, if we dont get Monfries. Otherwise Hartlett perhaps
pick 28 Juniper - potential! Might not be there at 40
pick 40 Pearce - quick outsider
pick 56 ??

Give us 1-2 ruck, and a couple of midfielders - our major needs

always pick the best player that best suits your needs in that particular draft.
Each year - each club's circumstances - and each draft are different

 

[- PC -]

I strongly believe you go local if the interstate player is only slightly better.

Lets look at what seems to be a growing phenomena in the AFL and certainly the Crows. Draft young talented interstate guys put 2-5 yrs development into them and all of a sudden they want to go home in their early 20's. So many cases to choose from - you dont normally seem to get a good deal in terms of trading them either (eg Power last yr and this yr). The Crows trade of Stenglein appears to be an exception to the rule.

The funny thing is recycled players in their mid 20's dont appear to suffer the same anxieties and are more than willing to travel anywhere to get a gig - obviously more desparate to play. Unfortunately though 'recyclyed playes' by their nature have less talent than the star youngsters I am referring to above.

I asked this question before and I still dont have any definite..but at the end of the day you pick the best and then be the best..players only really move on for 2 reasons ..money and success..dont give me homesick...the homesick excuse gets the heartstrings going..

Chris Judd is a good example of the success motto..West Coast are starting to have success and the way the trade/draft works he wont go to a successful club unless a club has a Buckley and wants to go to West Coast

Sometimes drafting a kid from interstate CAN work in your favour for future trades..e.g draft a great WA talent and trade Pavlich for him down the track

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

You HAVE to select the best player, we cannot accept second best, if they choose to go home that is the risk we have to take.
More times than not you will get adequate compensation for them so you will not lose too much anyway.
Although it seems like a rarity these days but some guys do play their entire career at one club, if there was a better player I would take him on the chance he will stick around rather than not take him on the chance of him leaving.

 

[macca23]

You HAVE to select the best player, we cannot accept second best, if they choose to go home that is the risk we have to take.
More times than not you will get adequate compensation for them so you will not lose too much anyway.
Although it seems like a rarity these days but some guys do play their entire career at one club, if there was a better player I would take him on the chance he will stick around rather than not take him on the chance of him leaving.

I'm in the same camp as you on this one.

You have to take the best irrespective of where they come from. Most players will stick for the whole of their careers at the club that drafts them.

However, some do go home, and generally the compensation is fair and sometimes more than.

Tyson Stenglein is a good example. We took him at #29 in the 1998 draft and have had some good footy out of him. I thought we did very well turning him via trade into a much younger attacking Scott Thompson and pick #28 to boot.

Take the best every time.

 

[mymansyd]

Take the best every time.

Agreed 100% with the above.

If it's a 50/50 decision, however, go for the SA kid. Less admin hassles for the club re: relocation costs, etc, etc.

The fact that all 4 of the SA/WA clubs have primarily local players on their lists (although I think Port's split might be nearer to 50/50), would clearly indicate that - when in doubt - they stick with local talent.

 

[Crowked]

I agree with you all in the main that we go for the best, but we have been bitten by some in the past.

I think if their clearly better, you go for the better one, but if theyre regarded fairly equal, go for the SA boy. 3 reasons for that.

1. He aint going to go home.
2. He is more likely to perform at his best. Discomfort can and does reduce performance.
3. Being from Adelaide, there is a 70% chance he already loves our club. More commited.

 

[tribey]

Take the best every time.

That should be translated into Latin and put on the Fantasia family crest.

The last time we decided to go 100% homegrown (or close enough to it) was under Blight. Sure we nabbed McGregor with a late pick, but apart from him we brought in way too many bombs to make a third Premiership feasible.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

With our early must go for the best available talent, regardless of their home state or position they play (as that can be evened up with later picks & PSD). It is going to take us more than 1 year to rebuild, so we must go for maximum value (even if it means trade value years down the track).

 

[Stiffy_18]

I think the club wouldn't be doing their jobb if they didn't select the best available player.

As BRaG said iw ould rather take them with a chance of them staying that pass them with a chance of them leaving. I would say that the Carr and Stevens incidents are exceptions. Generally you get a fair compensation for a player. We got a very fair compensation for Kane Johnson and a very good one for Stenglein. We are yet to really lose someone for peanuts. Yes, we got nothing to show for Kane Johnson now but to be fair Richmond gave us a very fair compensation that we then decided to ******** in the wind.

Take the best available every time. If they end up staying with the club for their entire careers then great. If not, then we will get a fair compensation for them

 

[Crow-mosone]

Who cares where they're from?
if they're local great
if they're from interstate great.

if they want to go home, so what. it doesn't matter.
what matters is the price.

 

[No 1 Draft Pick]

I strongly believe you go local if the interstate player is only slightly better.

Lets look at what seems to be a growing phenomena in the AFL and certainly the Crows. Draft young talented interstate guys put 2-5 yrs development into them and all of a sudden they want to go home in their early 20's. So many cases to choose from - you dont normally seem to get a good deal in terms of trading them either (eg Power last yr and this yr). The Crows trade of Stenglein appears to be an exception to the rule.

The funny thing is recycled players in their mid 20's dont appear to suffer the same anxieties and are more than willing to travel anywhere to get a gig - obviously more desparate to play. Unfortunately though 'recyclyed playes' by their nature have less talent than the star youngsters I am referring to above.

I asked the above question a year ago. Has anyone changed their mind after the Watts debacle? I wonder if it will impact at all our choices in the upcoming national draft. As I asked a long time ago...has any interstate player ever stayed with us for the duration of their career? I think Perrie and Johnson would be the longest servants and both left eventually

I still cant believe hes going after only one 2 year contract. That is most unusual and could be a big wake up call to the club. I know the club is now trying to integrate new players in a better way but this situation could get very ugly if Fergus doesnt agree to go to a club we can trade with ie if Pies, Hawks agree terms with him he has no reason to help the Crows thru trading

******** Fergus Watts

 

[Crow-mosone]

Who cares where they're from?
if they're local great
if they're from interstate great.

if they want to go home, so what. it doesn't matter.
what matters is the price.

nah, nothings changed.
Fergus has the right to leave, we have the right to negotiate the best deal for our club.

Big Feg will be getting pretty good advice you'd think, and does anyone think that counsel involves going to Carlton?

 

[drakeyv2]

With our early must go for the best available talent, regardless of their home state or position they play (as that can be evened up with later picks & PSD). It is going to take us more than 1 year to rebuild, so we must go for maximum value (even if it means trade value years down the track).

This sounds wonderful in theory. What are the facts?

Is Watts' value now higher than the value of the draft pick we used to pick him up? What are the chances of him going for nix in the PSD? What about the cost in time & money already put into him? What about our record in retaining Victorian recruits taken with our rare & valuable early draft picks?

Maybe we are better of going with the best available local player with our highest draft picks & use our later picks to pick up interstate players. If they prove they are AFL quality & get homesick then they increase their value & we are adequately compensated. If they take some time then the pressure to keep a spot on an AFL list should outway "homesickness".

 

[Truck Rutten]

I asked the above question a year ago. Has anyone changed their mind after the Watts debacle? I wonder if it will impact at all our choices in the upcoming national draft. As I asked a long time ago...has any interstate player ever stayed with us for the duration of their career? I think Perrie and Johnson would be the longest servants and both left eventually

This is a tough call. If we were getting picks high enough in the draft that the draftee was able to step virtually straight into AFL ranks (eg Deledio, Judd, Franklin etc) would they be as homesick? I'm leaning towards picking the local boy if his interstate rival is only marginally better. A lot of people will disagree and say you have to go for the best, but I can see this continuing to happen, especially if we persist in drafting kids from Melbourne who must find it hard to adjust to living in Adelaide.

Mark Stevens would be the longest serving interstate player wouldn't he? Interesting to note he's a country boy.

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[Stiffy_18]

I am frustrared by Fergus' decision to leave after only 2 years on the list. However, I a still think you go for the best player available regardless of where they come from. Generally, when players want to go back home both parties are satisfied and the club gets fair compensation for them. Its also very rare that players leave after only 2 years with the club.

We are in reasonably delicate situation, where we could easily lose fergus for nothing and if we do trade which I think is most likely, then IMHO, we will get below what would be acceptable in normal circumstances.

I still think go for the best available regardless of where they are from. If the 2 or 3 players are a real line ball decision, then of course you go with the local but if there is a difference between the 2 or 3 players, then you go with the one that has bigger chance of succeeding.

 

[Stiffy_18]

nah, nothings changed.
Fergus has the right to leave, we have the right to negotiate the best deal for our club.

Big Feg will be getting pretty good advice you'd think, and does anyone think that counsel involves going to Carlton?

Are you suggesting what I think you are suggesting

 

[- PC -]

Havent changed my mind at all.

 

[Malibu#27]

On this theory ... I also have a theory that non-Victorian players are regularly undervalued (other than the absolute top liners). The reason for this is the amount of attention the U18 comp gets.

Uor juniors doing well in SANFL underage and the like can sometimes be overlooked even though they are probably as good potential wise as interstaters ... they just come without the hype. I dont have any facts to support this ... but look at some ofthe Corws late picks of local lads.