ND Pick # 10 - Phil Davis - Discussion

[Crowman32]

Putting 2 and 2 togethor here....Does anyone remember Matt Rendell after last years draft say 'we were really keen on a guy, followed him for a while only to find out he wasn't old enough for the (2007) draft.'

Surely said player is Phil Davis.

I remember Rendell saying last year there was a player he wishes he could hide for the year so no one would know about him. I wonder whether this was Davis. If so it worked out reasonably well with Davis being injured for most of the year.

 

[Mego Red]

The two reasons I thought this was a positive decision (besides the fact we got two of our possible top ten choices with our first two picks) -

1. Athleticism. Davis has his speed and physical gifts often commented on, which isn't rue of Trengove;
2. A true KPP. He's not a converted ruckman. He has played KPP through his junior career, and this is comforting ...

 

[cmndstab]

The two reasons I thought this was a positive decision (besides the fact we got two of our possible top ten choices with our first two picks) -

1. Athleticism. Davis has his speed and physical gifts often commented on, which isn't rue of Trengove;
2. A true KPP. He's not a converted ruckman. He has played KPP through his junior career, and this is comforting ...

This is the most comforting to me. I'm racking my brains trying to think of a true KPP we've picked up in the past few years, and can't think of any. All of our talls have been athletic junior ruckmen.

 

[Stiffy_18]

This is the most comforting to me. I'm racking my brains trying to think of a true KPP we've picked up in the past few years, and can't think of any. All of our talls have been athletic junior ruckmen.

Fergus Watts always was a true key forward and a pretty good one at that as a junior.

 

[crowsarethebest]

http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/91387 - I forget if this has been linked before, it's a 2 minute press conference with him. He speaks fairly well, I can see why they say he has some leadership skills. Pity he admits to having been a Port supporter! Also claims that he's "mostly a defender", perhaps they really are intending to use him in defence? I've been fairly convinced this whole time that he'll be a forward but nobody involved with the club has actually said he'll play forward yet, have they?

In the Herald Sun in Melbourne there's a quote from NC stating that we've picked up 3 key forwards and named Davis, McKernan and Young (as the key forwards).

 

[Stiffy_18]

The two reasons I thought this was a positive decision (besides the fact we got two of our possible top ten choices with our first two picks) -

1. Athleticism. Davis has his speed and physical gifts often commented on, which isn't rue of Trengove;
2. A true KPP. He's not a converted ruckman. He has played KPP through his junior career, and this is comforting ...

Your second point is a really good one.

Also if Davis pans out at Rendell is convinced he will, then we have a real gun on our hands.

When a recruiter says a year out, no matter where we finish next year, we are picking this kid, thats a pretty convincing belief in Davis' ability.

And then go on to say that the only player we would overlook Davis for is Watts, then it tells you that Rendell rates this kid enormously.

Lets hope he turns out as good as Rendell is hoping he will. A tall utility is an interesting proposition.

The only slight question mark on this is that he has played most of his footy as a defender where as we really need a forward. Having said that, his 3 reserves games as a forward were promising so hopefully he can develop into the key forward we have been crying out for ever since Modra left.

If he develops into a Jarryd Roughead type we would all be stoked I am sure

 

[Mismatched]

I don't think he was using Didak or Boak as examples of players slipping, the opposite in fact.

As for Meesen, well, you got me on that one

Good to see someone can read, Meesen IIRC, maybe I don't, but we seemed surprised that he fell and the feeling I got is that we were a little unprepared and didn't do our research on him properly because of this.

 

[StuPendus]

Your second point is a really good one.

Also if Davis pans out at Rendell is convinced he will, then we have a real gun on our hands.

When a recruiter says a year out, no matter where we finish next year, we are picking this kid, thats a pretty convincing belief in Davis' ability.

And then go on to say that the only player we would overlook Davis for is Watts, then it tells you that Rendell rates this kid enormously.

Lets hope he turns out as good as Rendell is hoping he will. A tall utility is an interesting proposition.

The only slight question mark on this is that he has played most of his footy as a defender where as we really need a forward. Having said that, his 3 reserves games as a forward were promising so hopefully he can develop into the key forward we have been crying out for ever since Modra left.

If he develops into a Jarryd Roughead type we would all be stoked I am sure

Could he go one better than that? As we have someone who's taking over the #32 jumper, perhaps this kid could eventually take over the #23 if you get my drift.

 

[cmndstab]

Good to see someone can read, Meesen IIRC, maybe I don't, but we seemed surprised that he fell and the feeling I got is that we were a little unprepared and didn't do our research on him properly because of this.

I think it was more than we rated him the best ruckman in the draft so were happy to get him, but it was like, pick 8 or something and some pretty good players went that year.

 

[P.A.F.C]

From Inside Football Magazine
Phil Davis - tall defender, North Adelaide, SA
DOB: 30/8/90 Ht:192cm Wt:83kg
"Phil didn't play a lot of footy this year because he injured his shoulder early on. Played a few reserves games early in the year up forward and kicked some goals, which was a credit to him because he played all his junior footy in defence. After injuring his shoulder the first time he came back and played, then did it again and required surgery in May, and didn't play again. Didn't do the testing at the draft camp but ran a 3.02 for his 20 metre sprint early in the year and 11 minutes for the 3km time trial so he's reasonably mobile for his size."
- North Adelaide developmental manager Neil Sanders
From St.Peters College

 

[betterthanu]

Re: ND Pick # 10 - Discussion

Late August.

Still, at the time no one had heard of him.

Also DJ75 was talking him up a year ago, good call people.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

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[betterthanu]

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[Crow-mo]

Good to see someone can read, Meesen IIRC, maybe I don't, but we seemed surprised that he fell and the feeling I got is that we were a little unprepared and didn't do our research on him properly because of this.

Meesen had been expected to go at no.7 to hawthorn, instead he went no.8

 

[ManInTheArena]

Meesen had been expected to go at no.7 to hawthorn, instead he went no.8

What a bargain... we got a slider!

 

[The Crows Truth]

Meesen had been expected to go at no.7 to hawthorn, instead he went no.8

correct. crows were always very likely to go a ruckman at 8 - either wood (most probably) or meesen (who was expected to go at 7). somewhat ironically, the crows picked the meese when he 'slid' as he was the more 'afl ready' and was effectively de-risking the pick (or so they thought)

also remember a little london birdie advising dont go the risky ruckman option at pick 8 (unless they were an absolute standout)- nice work old son

 

[Dujon11]

Is he any relation to Tim Davis, a CHB for North Adelaide about 10 years ago?

 

[-CG-]

Matt Rendell is quoted in today's paper as ear marking Trengove's hamstring as a 'real issue' as to why the Club over looked him. Although the article goes onto to say that he should be fine, I guess the Club was unwilling to take that risk and they were obviously very keen on Davis (rating him number 2).

 

[DJ75]

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Also DJ75 was talking him up a year ago, good call people.

Finally, the recognition I have been craving!

I did have a wry smile on my face when I read CC's claims!

 

[Jars458]

Matt Rendell is quoted in today's paper as ear marking Trengove's hamstring as a 'real issue' as to why the Club over looked him. Although the article goes onto to say that he should be fine, I guess the Club was unwilling to take that risk and they were obviously very keen on Davis (rating him number 2).

Its almost irrelevnat as they clearly rated Davis higher and Port took him before our next pick came. There may have been an interestnig decision at 28 if Trengove was still available.

 

[KUNG FU]

From what I've pieced together on the 2004 draft.

The reason Meesen was a 'slider' was that Hawthorn, Richmond and the Dogs were all in the picture in a big way and in desperate lack of ruckmen at the time (and arguably even now) Hawks had with 3 picks before us at, the Dogs #3 & #6 and Richmond at #1 & #4. The story goes, circled again this weekend, was that Hawthorn decided to go for the talls that morning and then pulled an even bigger surprise by recruiting the late bolter Jordan Lewis. They ended up picking Taylor in round 4 and another ruckman in the rookie draft Tom Willday from WA who is one of the few players to ever turn down an AFL contract to focus on uni. It seems to be a case of every showing strong interest and no one taking him, kind of like how Rich slipped. Highly rated by everyone, but no single club rated him quite high enough to take him that early. Opposite equation to a bolter pick like Hill at #3.

 

[cmndstab]

From an article on AFC.com.au today:

And coach Neil Craig was confident the Crows had finally addressed their long-standing lack of key forwards.
"We want to keep servicing our forward line and with Phil Davis and McKernan in particular we feel we've done that," Craig told Monday's Adelaide Advertiser.
"Key forwards have been a bit of an issue for us so I'm sure our supporters will be glad to hear that we've got some young forwards who can hopefully grow into those positions.

Good to finally get a direct answer about where Craig expects Davis to play.

 

[The Crows Truth]

From what I've pieced together on the 2004 draft.

The reason Meesen was a 'slider' was that Hawthorn, Richmond and the Dogs were all in the picture in a big way and in desperate lack of ruckmen at the time (and arguably even now) Hawks had with 3 picks before us at, the Dogs #3 & #6 and Richmond at #1 & #4. The story goes, circled again this weekend, was that Hawthorn decided to go for the talls that morning and then pulled an even bigger surprise by recruiting the late bolter Jordan Lewis. They ended up picking Taylor in round 4 and another ruckman in the rookie draft Tom Willday from WA who is one of the few players to ever turn down an AFL contract to focus on uni. It seems to be a case of every showing strong interest and no one taking him, kind of like how Rich slipped. Highly rated by everyone, but no single club rated him quite high enough to take him that early. Opposite equation to a bolter pick like Hill at #3.

iirc, burger and others had a definite top 5 and then highly probables to follow. hawks after deciding on the morning of the draft to go talls with first 2 picks then wanted to get a midfielder with pick 7 (ie lewis in, meese out). The burgatron from memory was

tigers delidio
hawks tambling
bullies griffen
tigers roughead
hawks franklin
bullies williams
hawks meesen
crows wood

is what i remember

 

[KUNG FU]

iirc, burger and others had a definite top 5 and then highly probables to follow. hawks after deciding on the morning of the draft to go talls with first 2 picks then wanted to get a midfielder with pick 7 (ie lewis in, meese out). The burgatron from memory was

tigers delidio
hawks tambling
bullies griffen
tigers roughead
hawks franklin
bullies williams
hawks meesen
crows wood

is what i remember

Yeah that all sounds about right. Earlier though Meese was much higher up the order. The crucial and unexpected event was Hawthorn going 2 KPPs and deciding to balance things out a bit with a midfielder, aiming for rucks late in the draft.

 

[cmndstab]

Davis is on 5AA right now.