Neil Kerley's 22

[Stiffy_18]

_F: _ 5. Ronnie Burns _ 24. Brett Burton _ 17. Scott Welsh
HF: _ 27. Scott Stevens _ 2. Wayne Carey _ 18. Graham Johncock
C: _ 11. Michael Doughty _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 33. Brent Reilly
HB: _ 3. Kris Massie _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 7. Nigel Smart
_B: _ 9. Tyson Edwards _ 8. Nathan Bassett _ 34. Ben Hart
1R: _ 4. Matthew Clarke _ 36. Simon Goodwin _ 23. Andrew McLeod

INT: _ 10. Matthew Bode _ 15. Jason Torney _ 13. Ben Hudson _ 20. Tyson Stenglein

I don't know about you but I surely there would have to be a spot for Biglands in that side. Going by the pre-season form so far I think Hentschel has also deserved a spot in the 22. I think his winmen selections are a bit interesting. We all know how good Reilly is going to be and we all know what Doughty is capable of. Dogga was very good in 2002 and if he can regain that form I reckon we wouldn't lose that much drive from the midfield if we played Burton as a FF.

Thoughts?????

 

[Damp Squarie]

No Shirley Ladhams Gallagher or Skipworth either.
Still you cant put em all in.

Id have Shirley Gallagher and Biglands in remove Stevens Burns and Bode

 

[Stiffy_18]

I think the only player that has a real claim for a spot is Biglands. I can't believe how highly people rate Shirley. He had 12 good games last season. So far this year he has shown nothing that would suggest he is in our best 22. I said it before and I will say it again, half a good season doesn't make a footballer.

Perrie has a very good year in 2003 but where is he now?????? Shirley is tough and hard at it, gets the hard ball but offers nothing more to the side. All the qualities that Shirley has, Bode has except that Bode is not a one trick pony like Shirley.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
_F: _ 5. Ronnie Burns _ 24. Brett Burton _ 17. Scott Welsh
HF: _ 27. Scott Stevens _ 2. Wayne Carey _ 18. Graham Johncock
C: _ 11. Michael Doughty _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 33. Brent Reilly
HB: _ 3. Kris Massie _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 7. Nigel Smart
_B: _ 9. Tyson Edwards _ 8. Nathan Bassett _ 34. Ben Hart
1R: _ 4. Matthew Clarke _ 36. Simon Goodwin _ 23. Andrew McLeod

INT: _ 10. Matthew Bode _ 15. Jason Torney _ 13. Ben Hudson _ 20. Tyson Stenglein

Biglands will get picked before Hudson, even though he has been impressive.

Sarge in for Dogga, with Birdman taking his wing.

Stinger to start in the midfield mix, with our gun-3 rotating through Burns forward position.

Backs look OK.

Would find a spot for Hentschel on the bench too, with probably Ronnie & Dogga the 2 which would miss. Pressure on Bode to keep his place & he needs to have field kicking training with Jars.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
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I don't know about you but I surely there would have to be a spot for Biglands in that side. Going by the pre-season form so far I think Hentschel has also deserved a spot in the 22. I think his winmen selections are a bit interesting. We all know how good Reilly is going to be and we all know what Doughty is capable of. Dogga was very good in 2002 and if he can regain that form I reckon we wouldn't lose that much drive from the midfield if we played Burton as a FF.

Thoughts?????

Never been a big supporter of Biglands, yes he gives 100%, but statistically, has he won games, or is he a match winner, as good ruckman are capable of. Potentially Hudson is a better proposition than Biglands, as Clarke is technically the best ruckman.
This could be good, as it now puts the pressure back on Biglands to perform at a higher level (around the ground) than he has been.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I can't believe how highly people rate Shirley. He had 12 good games last season. So far this year he has shown nothing that would suggest he is in our best 22. I said it before and I will say it again, half a good season doesn't make a footballer.

Perrie has a very good year in 2003 but where is he now?????? Shirley is tough and hard at it, gets the hard ball but offers nothing more to the side. All the qualities that Shirley has, Bode has except that Bode is not a one trick pony like Shirley.

Both Bode and Shirley are both highly questonable at this point of the season, with neither one having done anything to change our opinions of them.
However Bode does provide more options than Shirley. Shirleys best chance was as a small defender, but so far no evidence of him being the best option over perhaps Gallagher or Edwards.

Still have confidence in Perrie, remembering we are not as advance as last year, and big blokes will take longer to get in form.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Both Bode and Shirley are both highly questonable at this point of the season, with neither one having done anything to change our opinions of them.
However Bode does provide more options than Shirley. Shirleys best chance was as a small defender, but so far no evidence of him being the best option over perhaps Gallagher or Edwards.

Still have confidence in Perrie, remembering we are not as advanced as last year, and big blokes will take longer to get in form.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World

Who can argue with this??

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
_F: _ 5. Ronnie Burns _ 24. Brett Burton _ 17. Scott Welsh
HF: _ 27. Scott Stevens _ 2. Wayne Carey _ 18. Graham Johncock
C: _ 11. Michael Doughty _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 33. Brent Reilly
HB: _ 3. Kris Massie _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 7. Nigel Smart
_B: _ 9. Tyson Edwards _ 8. Nathan Bassett _ 34. Ben Hart
1R: _ 4. Matthew Clarke _ 36. Simon Goodwin _ 23. Andrew McLeod

INT: _ 10. Matthew Bode _ 15. Jason Torney _ 13. Ben Hudson _ 20. Tyson Stenglein

I like Kerley's line-up as it maximizes our resources.

Burton might be a better wingman than Doughty, but he is the only forward you'd be very confident of kicking more than 50 goals for the year. We would definitely gain up forward, and while Doughty may not get the ball as much as Burton he generally uses it better.

Did Kerley really mean to leave out Biglands and put Hudson in his place?? He's always been a huge rap for Biglands in the past. Hudson is going to be better than an average pick-up though.

Hentschel is the other one you'd like to see there as he will have to be part of the team next year when we have a few retirements.

I guess injuries would work it out so that these players are playing most games anyway.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Neil Kerley's 22

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Never been a big supporter of Biglands, yes he gives 100%, but statistically, has he won games, or is he a match winner, as good ruckman are capable of. Potentially Hudson is a better proposition than Biglands, as Clarke is technically the best ruckman.
This could be good, as it now puts the pressure back on Biglands to perform at a higher level (around the ground) than he has been.

Once again you can't have a side full of match winners. There are such things as good to very good role players. Biglands is a very good role player. Every player has their deficiencies and Biglands is no different.

I find it interesting that you have Clarke in as he is the best tap ruckman but is far more limited in field play than Biglands. I think Biglands has been useful in a couple of games so far this season where he played as a big man in defence to block space. He took a couple of very good marks against St. Kilda in defence. Rhett's tap work is not that far off Clarke's for him to be overlooked while his field play and versatility is much better than Clarke's

If I was choosing I would have Biglands and Clarke in my 22 while we are further developing Hudson at SANFL level this year. Hudson's time will come when Clarke retires next year. I am sure there will be times where we will go in with 3 ruckman and use one of them to block up space in defence against sidels like brisbane while the other 2 rotate through ruck.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Both Bode and Shirley are both highly questonable at this point of the season, with neither one having done anything to change our opinions of them.
However Bode does provide more options than Shirley. Shirleys best chance was as a small defender, but so far no evidence of him being the best option over perhaps Gallagher or Edwards.

Spot on.

Shirley is not a very good small defender. He is a decent tagger who can get the pill once he is lead to it. He can do a great stopping job on a midfielder but he gets trashed by small forwards.

While Bode's spot is far from secure one could argue that he will be picked before Shirley because:

1) He is more versatile as he can play as a crumbing small forward who is dangerous around goals.

2) He gets the hard ball as well as Shirley if not better.

3) Aerobically he is much fitter than Shirley which would suggest he can spend more time in the midfield that Shirley.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Neil Kerley's 22

Originally posted by macca23
I like Kerley's line-up as it maximizes our resources.

Burton might be a better wingman than Doughty, but he is the only forward you'd be very confident of kicking more than 50 goals for the year. We would definitely gain up forward, and while Doughty may not get the ball as much as Burton he generally uses it better.

Did Kerley really mean to leave out Biglands and put Hudson in his place?? He's always been a huge rap for Biglands in the past. Hudson is going to be better than an average pick-up though.

Hentschel is the other one you'd like to see there as he will have to be part of the team next year when we have a few retirements.

I guess injuries would work it out so that these players are playing most games anyway.

I have to agree that side maximizes our resources.

As you say Doughty might not get it as many times as Burton but he will use it better. If Dogga can reproduce his 2002 form we wouldn't be losing much at the wing at all but would be gaining a hell of a lot by playing Burton at FF.

I must admit I was very surprised that Kerls left Biglands out of the side since as you said he has alwys been a big rap for him. However, he also likes Hudson. I think he is fast becoming a big rap for Huddo. I think there will be times this year when we play with 3 ruckman and use Hudson to block space in defence in front of big forwards. I think this is the tactic that we could possibly use against Brisbane at the GABBA (since Brown will not play in round 2 due to suspension, I would play McGregor on Lynch)

Again, I agree with you that we must play Hentschel this year because, Stevo is done and he won't be back and Carey is likely to retire at the end of the year. This would leave us with Perrie and Scott Stevens as our tall forwards. Hentschel must be given every opportunity this year.

 

[J.Gallagher #1]

Well when i read this i thought man that is a suspect team so here is what my round 1 team would be

F:Skipworth Carey Welsh
HF:Johnco(ck Perrie Bode
C:Reilly Ricciuto Burton
HB:Massie Mcgregor Gallagher
FB:Hart Bassett Edwards
R:Clarke Mcleod Goodwin

Int:Biglands Torney Stevens Stenglein

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by J.Gallagher #1
Well when i read this i thought man that is a suspect team so here is what my round 1 team would be

F:Skipworth Carey Welsh
HF:Johnco(ck Perrie Bode
C:Reilly Ricciuto Burton
HB:Massie Mcgregor Gallagher
FB:Hart Bassett Edwards
R:Clarke Mcleod Goodwin

Int:Biglands Torney Stevens Stenglein

Hentschel deserves more of a go than Skipworth. Hentschel hasn't played a bad game so far this year and has done enough to hold a spot come round 1.

 

[Thunderstruck]

Its a good line-up apart from Biglands missing which I cant believe. He is well ahead of Hudson in my books, tho Hudson is improving exponentially.

Id also swap a few of the positons around. Burton for Stevens, infact Burton was much better on the wind last year, he was fantastic actually but thats a posie for a young and fast player. Reilly is perfect I aint touching him.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Thunderstruck

Burton was much better on the wind last year

Don't worry, a few baked beans should have him back to his best!!

 

[Stiffy_18]

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[Damp Squarie]

Kerley leaving out Biglands was an oversight.

As for Shirley; your too harsh you blokes.
Hes harder than Bode is plus Bode hasnt played a good game since last years Wizzer Cup!

Shirley also frees up Stinga from a tagging role

No Bickley remember...I hope Shirley plays more than 12 games this year.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by topjars
Kerley leaving out Biglands was an oversight.

As for Shirley; your too harsh you blokes.
Hes harder than Bode is plus Bode hasnt played a good game since last years Wizzer Cup!

Shirley also frees up Stinga from a tagging role

No Bickley remember...I hope Shirley plays more than 12 games this year.

Bode is much better ball winner that Shirley. Shirley doesn't have what it takes to as a tagger on big midfielders in the comp. He goes with them for a half and then gets beaten. Stenglein is our number 1 tagger and thats not going to change any time soon.

The only way Shirley will play more than 12 games this year is if there are injuries and Bode is BADLY out of form.

You have got to reward form player and right now Bode is in better form than Shirley.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
_F: _ 5. Ronnie Burns _ 24. Brett Burton _ 17. Scott Welsh
HF: _ 27. Scott Stevens _ 2. Wayne Carey _ 18. Graham Johncock
C: _ 11. Michael Doughty _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 33. Brent Reilly
HB: _ 3. Kris Massie _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 7. Nigel Smart
_B: _ 9. Tyson Edwards _ 8. Nathan Bassett _ 34. Ben Hart
1R: _ 4. Matthew Clarke _ 36. Simon Goodwin _ 23. Andrew McLeod

INT: _ 10. Matthew Bode _ 15. Jason Torney _ 13. Ben Hudson _ 20. Tyson Stenglein

Thoughts?????

My thoughts are often changing a little, but:

F: McLeod, Carey, Welsh
HF: S Stevens, Perrie, Johncock
C: Reilly, Ricciuto, Burton
HB: Massie, McGregor, Smart
B: Edwards, Bassett, Hart
R: Biglands, Stenglein, Goodwin
I: Clarke. Hentschel, Torney, Ladhams

 

[Stiffy_18]

I don't know about you guys but I think Hentschel (being a tall) must be given a LOT of time on the ground this year so I would have him in my 18.

If Carey retires at the end of this year as it would appear likely, we need Hentschel to be ready to for being a vital cog in our forward line. This can only happen if he has plenty of AFL game time under his belt.

Its not all about this year. We need to give Hentschel every opportunity or we could be in real trouble next year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I don't know about you guys but I think Hentschel (being a tall) must be given a LOT of time on the ground this year so I would have him in my 18.

If Carey retires at the end of this year as it would appear likely, we need Hentschel to be ready to for being a vital cog in our forward line. This can only happen if he has plenty of AFL game time under his belt.

Its not all about this year. We need to give Hentschel every opportunity or we could be in real trouble next year.

With player rotations, I don't think it makes much difference whether he is in the starting-18 or team-22. He needs to earn a starting spot & if performs well, he may well be a permanent starter by year's end.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
With player rotations, I don't think it makes much difference whether he is in the starting-18 or team-22. He needs to earn a starting spot & if performs well, he may well be a permanent starter by year's end.

I don't think there is much rotation of KPP. Usually rotations are with midfielders and ruckman.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I don't think there is much rotation of KPP. Usually rotations are with midfielders and ruckman.

But Hentschel can play either KPP or on a flank ... as you guys keep telling me.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Bode is much better ball winner that Shirley.

When hes in form...


You have got to reward form player and right now Bode is in better form than Shirley. [/QUOTE]

I agree about rewarding a form player.
Bode is form is he?