new Facilities?

[portentous]

But bigfooty.com is NEVER wrong Eggzoi.

 

[afc9798]

I agree, plenty of space to build up for another 10 000 seats if needed.

Just build a bloody train/tram line ala the MCG.

It's a good idea in principle Noddy, but economically the transport option is not viable. It would be far more sensible to move the stadium facilities and supporter facilities to a more central location that is already served by existing infrastructure. Also the SANFL needs to realise that many of the club's supporters are from well outside the West Lakes area and many find it difficult to get there, find a park and get home within a reasonable timeframe. These issues will only continue to grow if the crowds increase.

Personally I think that Santos Stadium is the ideal venue, as it is barely utilised, is on prime near city land, is well served by public transport facilities ansd is near to hotels etc. for interstate visitors.

West Lakes has all the issues of Waverley going forward.

 

[Crow-mo]

It's a good idea in principle Noddy, but economically the transport option is not viable. It would be far more sensible to move the stadium facilities and supporter facilities to a more central location that is already served by existing infrastructure.

that's crazy talk. improved transport is not viable, but moving an entire stadium is? I'll have some of what you're having

Also the SANFL needs to realise that many of the club's supporters are from well outside the West Lakes area and many find it difficult to get there, find a park and get home within a reasonable timeframe. These issues will only continue to grow if the crowds increase.

no worse than anywhere else. the SANFL does not need to recognise anything, as it's tickets are sold out and will likely remain so. there is NO imperative here, and inventing one is doing just that.

Personally I think that Santos Stadium is the ideal venue, as it is barely utilised, is on prime near city land, is well served by public transport facilities ansd is near to hotels etc. for interstate visitors.

West Lakes has all the issues of Waverley going forward.

globally stadium sizes are going down, and the uptake is filled by TV. a 50,000+ seat stadium in a town the size of adelaide is bordering on overkill.

 

[afc9798]

that's crazy talk. improved transport is not viable, but moving an entire stadium is? I'll have some of what you're having




no worse than anywhere else. the SANFL does not need to recognise anything, as it's tickets are sold out and will likely remain so. there is NO imperative here, and inventing one is doing just that.



globally stadium sizes are going down, and the uptake is filled by TV. a 50,000+ seat stadium in a town the size of adelaide is bordering on overkill.

Stadiums produce profits if they are correctly built and utilised, whereas transport infrastructure is lucky to make an acceptable loss. Look at the amount being spent to put in a tram line extension from Vic. Square, or he amount that the underpass/overpass on South Road is costing.

In short, yes it is cheaper as it won't need to be funded by the State Government alone and the profits will repay the developer in the longer term. West Lakes land would go for a fortune if it was developed into housing and would return more than enough to finance an improved inner city stadium with club facilities. This is all on the proviso that Multiplex doesn't do the project.

 

[portentous]

It would be far more cost effective to shift the end of the Grange Railway Line up West Lakes Boulevard, terminating at the shopping centre, than building a whole new stadium-and it'd get used between times by shoppers, workers etc. It would also help solve the traffic nightmare before and after rock concerts.

It's that simple that of course the politicians won't do it. It should have been done when the stadium was built.

 

[Crow-mo]

Stadiums produce profits if they are correctly built and utilised, whereas transport infrastructure is lucky to make an acceptable loss. Look at the amount being spent to put in a tram line extension from Vic. Square, or he amount that the underpass/overpass on South Road is costing.

In short, yes it is cheaper as it won't need to be funded by the State Government alone and the profits will repay the developer in the longer term. West Lakes land would go for a fortune if it was developed into housing and would return more than enough to finance an improved inner city stadium with club facilities. This is all on the proviso that Multiplex doesn't do the project.

ok. could you fill us in, on what you think some of the numbers might be - because I don't think the above nearly stacks up.

A new stadium would cost 500mio+, with no real economic payoff. that seems a bad deal to me.

 

[Mad Dog]

It would be far more cost effective to shift the end of the Grange Railway Line up West Lakes Boulevard, terminating at the shopping centre, than building a whole new stadium-and it'd get used between times by shoppers, workers etc. It would also help solve the traffic nightmare before and after rock concerts.

It's that simple that of course the politicians won't do it. It should have been done when the stadium was built.

The SANFL need to leverage off the infrastructure plans that will fall out of the defense contract.

This should include light or heavy rail through West Lakes

 

[AC07]

ok. could you fill us in, on what you think some of the numbers might be - because I don't think the above nearly stacks up.

A new stadium would cost 500mio+, with no real economic payoff. that seems a bad deal to me.

I agree. It would be unrealistic to bash down AAMI and build in the city. AAMI Stadium will remain as the venue for Crows and Power for many reasons. Some of them.....

• They are not going to build a stadium 500m from another ground (AO).
• They have recently invested a massive amount of money on AAMI (new Balcony which a big part came from the clubs)
• They have already annouced a 70 million upgrade over the next 5 years.
• There are more bars there than at the TD. It's a classic. Yes it can be improved and it will be.
• Transport can be improved (possible train service or other in years to come) but be honest I don't have an issue getting there and I am from Reynella.
• The Crows Shed is there.
• Massive areas of grass for BBQ's, Beer and a kick.

I think we have a fantastic venue people.

 

[Crow-mo]

I agree. It would be unrealistic to bash down AAMI and build in the city. AAMI Stadium will remain as the venue for Crows and Power for many reasons. Some of them.....

• They are not going to build a stadium 500m from another ground (AO).
• They have recently invested a massive amount of money on AAMI (new Balcony which a big part came from the clubs)
• They have already annouced a 70 million upgrade over the next 5 years.
• There are more bars there than at the TD. It's a classic. Yes it can be improved and it will be.
• Transport can be improved (possible train service or other in years to come) but be honest I don't have an issue getting there and I am from Reynella.
• The Crows Shed is there.
• Massive areas of grass for BBQ's, Beer and a kick.

I think we have a fantastic venue people.

you're right, it is a damned good venue.

 

[AC07]

you're right, it is a damned good venue.

Not to mention the car park space in the Shopping Centre next door. You can't drive and park at the TD or MCG like you can at AAMI. If the venue was in the city I would either have to park miles away (maybe in a dirty car park) and/or start catching train and bus which I am sure wouldn't be much better than the bus service to AAMI now.

Much happier driving to AAMI and parking in the grassed Lions Club space near the water (otherside of shopping centre). We forgot the BBQ once so we got the girls (as you do) to go buy a cheap butane BBQ from the the Shopping Centre and away we went. 10 minutes later we are cooking. I think it cost $19.95. Bottle shop next to us from where we park to so you buy once you get there. Leave the stadium at WL. It would be boring if it was in the city. Too many good memories to move. It's a classic like no other.

 

[afc9798]

ok. could you fill us in, on what you think some of the numbers might be - because I don't think the above nearly stacks up.

A new stadium would cost 500mio+, with no real economic payoff. that seems a bad deal to me.

Docklands only cost $250-300 million and $50 million of that was recouped in naming rights alone. it is predicted that the capital cost of the stadium will be paid off in approx. 12-15 years.

Conservative estimates are that a rail link from the existing network would cost in the vicinity of $150 million. With the money from the sale of land, utilisation of a transport network that already exists and a venue more central to more of the paying public, this project would be very viable and would serve the needs of the public for a much longer period of time.

I can't see it happening for at least 10 years due to the recent money invested in AAMI, but it would certainly be viable. Even more so given the lack of urban land releases in the Western suburbs, which would guarantee a healthy return on the land sold at West Lakes. It should never have been built there in the first place.

 

[Crow-mo]

Docklands only cost $250-300 million and $50 million of that was recouped in naming rights alone. it is predicted that the capital cost of the stadium will be paid off in approx. 12-15 years.

Erm.
1. that seems low
2. the naming rights would be considerably lower here.
3. how on earth would the capital be paid off in 12 - 15 years? including interest, that would be $40mio per year.
- how can you justify that, over what we already have. for no gain at all?
- where on earth is this extra cash coming from? that'd be as much as the entire turnover of the crows & port put together.

but most of all, it's money that does not exist, flushed down the toilet.

 

[afc9798]

Erm.
1. that seems low
2. the naming rights would be considerably lower here.
3. how on earth would the capital be paid off in 12 - 15 years? including interest, that would be $40mio per year.
- how can you justify that, over what we already have. for no gain at all?
- where on earth is this extra cash coming from? that'd be as much as the entire turnover of the crows & port put together.

but most of all, it's money that does not exist, flushed down the toilet.

1. that's the info. I got from a search on the project.
2. Agreed
3. of course there is a gain. Adelaide is in dire need of dragging people into the city area. The economic spinoffs for Adelaide would be huge as people will naturally flow to the city area, as they do at Docklands. The cash comes from catering, events, office/retail accomodation on the site, plus don't forget government contributions to these projects.

it would be viable IMHO, but of course only if the correct management was applied, unlike the early days of Colonial Stadium. Adelaide is currently missing out on many conferences/expos because we can't cater for more than one event at a time, so there would be a great opportunity for a multifunction venue/precinct.

 

[- PC -]

it would be viable IMHO, but of course only if the correct management was applied, unlike the early days of Colonial Stadium. Adelaide is currently missing out on many conferences/expos because we can't cater for more than one event at a time, so there would be a great opportunity for a multifunction venue/precinct.

This is the argument in Perth at the moment. With AFL, Rugby ,Cricket and Futbal all vying for commercial $$ and space it makes sense ( to the government) to make a NEW all purpose stadium, but the problem is control ie who has say on dates used etc? The WAFL dont want to give up Subi but realise the expansion potential is limited and so they lose out on $$$.

Have they talked about a retractable stadium to turn it from oval to square to accomodate different sports?

 

[afc9798]

This is the argument in Perth at the moment. With AFL, Rugby ,Cricket and Futbal all vying for commercial $$ and space it makes sense ( to the government) to make a NEW all purpose stadium, but the problem is control ie who has say on dates used etc? The WAFL dont want to give up Subi but realise the expansion potential is limited and so they lose out on $$$.

Have they talked about a retractable stadium to turn it from oval to square to accomodate different sports?

They haven't really talked about anything, it's all speculation at the moment. There is a definite need, but Adelaide is inundated with 'White Elephants' such as Entertainment Centre, Convention Centre, Powerhouse, West Lakes, Hindmarsh stadium, Santos Stadium etc. None of them are true multipurpose venues and therefore cannot be individually profitable. The argument always goes along the liones of how many venues we already have, rather than how good any of those particular venues are.