Cars & Transportation New Tunnel in Melbourne?

[tandino]

If that woman believes she will not be compensated, she is incorrect.

 

[Shell]

If that woman believes she will not be compensated, she is incorrect.

She didnt say that, I think the reporter did.

Anyway, still would be pretty shit to have no backyard- correction to have THAT as your backyard.

 

[treefingers]

If that woman believes she will not be compensated, she is incorrect.

Yeah they couldn't possibly half your land not compensate you.

 

[Paul_Pennywise]

It's a tunnel you idiots.

 

[checkraiseulite]

lawl

http://www.linkingmelbourne.vic.gov.au/pages/design-details.asp

 

[neroblack]

The tunnel is needed, and the link was always going to be built at some point (though not always as a tunnel). In terms of saying, I'd rather a rail link to the airport, or Doncaster, or Rowville, or just simply improved public transport, most of those will happen at some point anyway. Once the tunnel was being planned, it had to be built prior to any rail link to Doncaster anyway just due to where the rail line will come off the existing line.

Compensation for any land acquired is a statutory process that the acquiring authority has to go through. All owners will be made an offer, and they'll have an opportunity to have the offer reviewed, which wont really cost them anything themselves (which is why Slater and Gordon see $$ signs straight away).

There's very little chance of anyone stopping their property from being acquired, which sucks, but it's the way it is.

 

[neroblack]

It's a tunnel you idiots.

The properties being acquired are at each end of the tunnel.

 

[neroblack]

She didnt say that, I think the reporter did.

Anyway, still would be pretty shit to have no backyard- correction to have THAT as your backyard.

The compensation you'd receive will be a combination of the land value of the land actually acquired, and the impact on the valuation of the remaining land that you own. Still not great, but it is covered off that way, and not just ignored..

 

[neroblack]

Could be worse too...

 

[Shell]

God can you imagine the noise, etc when they are actually building the thing.

Again, I reckon the ones who have to move are lucky, I'd rather just be outta there.

 

[Falchoon]

It's a tunnel you idiots.

not really


A temporary side track will be required to ensure Alexandra Parade traffic can flow freely during construction.

 

[neroblack]

I'd prefer a train line to the airport.

That should happen regardless of this project being built or not, but Melbourne Airport Corp make a heap of money from car parking there, plus the Taxis will also crack it. It's unlikely to happen any time soon, although they've at least identifies a preferred route:
http://ptv.vic.gov.au/assets/PTV/PT...elbourne-Airport-Rail-Link-Study-Overview.pdf

 

[Smiling Buddha]

In terms of saying, I'd rather a rail link to the airport, or Doncaster, or Rowville, or just simply improved public transport, most of those will happen at some point anyway.

Not if idiotic voters like you keep voting in the major parties who are both beholden to special interest groups ie the construction and road lobbies.

When was the last time we saw a major upgrade of the Melbourne train system? Decades and decades ago. Generations ago.

And yet we have expensive freeways coming out the wazoo. Each one of them 'essential' and destined to 'reduce congestion'. Only a fool who has done no research for themselves could possibly think this 'East-West link' project sound policy at this point in time.

 

[neroblack]

Not if idiotic voters like you keep voting in the major parties who are both beholden to special interest groups ie the construction and road lobbies.

When was the last time we saw a major upgrade of the Melbourne train system? Decades and decades ago. Generations ago.

And yet we have expensive freeways coming out the wazoo. Each one of them 'essential' and destined to 'reduce congestion'. Only a fool who has done no research for themselves could possibly think this 'East-West link' project sound policy at this point in time.

Idiotic voters like me? I was explaining how things happen. Not what I think should happen. Read things properly before replying.

I have a question for you, and think about it before you answer. Is a new rail line, costing $5 billion that is currently being constructed a minor upgrade?

 

[Smiling Buddha]

Idiotic voters like me? I was explaining how things happen. Not what I think should happen. Read things properly before replying.

I read your post in full. You are an apologist for vested interests and the poor public policy they commit all of us to funding via our taxes. If you vote for either of the major parties (esp in vic state elections), as I inferred you do, then you are an idiotic voter. Period.

I have a question for you, and think about it before you answer. Is a new rail line, costing $5 billion that is currently being constructed a minor upgrade?

You mean the $5b rail line which features... two new train stations? In the middle of nowhere? Is that the one? Yeah, that would be a minor 'upgrade' in my opinion, albeit a ridiculously overpriced one.

 

[Paul_Pennywise]

The properties being acquired are at each end of the tunnel.

Yes, But people who don't get bought out aren't going to have a noisy freeway running 5 metre's from their windows like others have said.

 

[Paul_Pennywise]

Not if idiotic voters like you keep voting in the major parties who are both beholden to special interest groups ie the construction and road lobbies.

When was the last time we saw a major upgrade of the Melbourne train system? Decades and decades ago. Generations ago.

And yet we have expensive freeways coming out the wazoo. Each one of them 'essential' and destined to 'reduce congestion'. Only a fool who has done no research for themselves could possibly think this 'East-West link' project sound policy at this point in time.

Trains

 

[theboxmike]

There should be both train and road upgrades, Melbourne won't be able to handle the traffic in 10 years it can hardly handle now.

+Train to the airport
+High Speed Rail along Melbourne - Sydney - Brisbane (and I don't mean some of the slower High Speed rail speeds I mean top of line Bullet train or Eurostar. Perhaps maglev like what the chinese are doing)
+EastLink Tunnel - Yes it means moving a few old biddies but its the needs a few vs the many and they will be well compensated
+Speed limits to increase across the state in proper/right locations (would never happen but it should help to ease congestion)
+New train lines to Doncaster and merge already existing lines that cross with others like the current london metro so instead of going to Richmond you can just go Ringwood-Knox for example.


any others?
I know most of those are unrealistic but i'm confident that would make us future proof (and possibly broke lol) But if just one or two of those happen within the next twenty years it would help immensely.

 

[neroblack]

I read your post in full. You are an apologist for vested interests and the poor public policy they commit all of us to funding via our taxes. If you vote for either of the major parties (esp in vic state elections), as I inferred you do, then you are an idiotic voter. Period.

You mean the $5b rail line which features... two new train stations? In the middle of nowhere? Is that the one? Yeah, that would be a minor 'upgrade' in my opinion, albeit a ridiculously overpriced one.

I was explaining how things actually happen. If that isn't understood in fairy land, there's not much I can do about it. Be realistic. It's got nothing to do with who anyone votes for, if you've got an issue with that then go start a thread about it.

And yep, that's the one. It's much more than two train stations, it will enable the existing metro lines from the west to function properly also, there are more stations planned for in the future, and whilst it is the middle of nowhere now, it certainly wont be in 10 years time. Some people complain about infrastructure not being provided in advance, and then when it is, the same people complain.

 

[neroblack]

Yes, But people who don't get bought out aren't going to have a noisy freeway running 5 metre's from their windows like others have said.

Should I refer you to your original post?

 

[Paul_Pennywise]

Should I refer you to your original post?

Should I refer you to the title thread and then the posts about it being unfair to the people who are going to have a noisy freeway next to their houses?

 

[neroblack]

Should I refer you to the title thread and then the posts about it being unfair to the people who are going to have a noisy freeway next to their houses?

To be fair, they already live next to one of the busiest roads in Melbourne. The extension to the freeways at each end of the tunnel look pretty minimal.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

fairyland... It's got nothing to do with who anyone votes for

Public policy doesn't have anything to do with who anyone votes for? Who is in fairyland exactly?

And yep, that's the one. It's much more than two train stations, it will enable the existing metro lines from the west to function properly also, there are more stations planned for in the future, and whilst it is the middle of nowhere now, it certainly wont be in 10 years time. Some people complain about infrastructure not being provided in advance, and then when it is, the same people complain.

Typical apologist language.

The present benefits of the RRL are questionable at best. Given that finite money available to the government, it is criminal that the state government is spending so much on projects like that. Five billion dollars. Think about that for a moment.

You live in Berwick, yes? How long does it take to catch a train to/from the city? 65, 70 minutes each way? Do you ever wonder why it takes so long? And how do you go getting a park at Berwick station after, say, 8am? Do you ever wonder if it might be worth investing a few million dollars to build more parking spaces? And how do people go getting a seat on a train past, say, Dandenong?

You of all people ought to know how woeful PT is in outer-suburbia. You also ought to know how quickly the city is sprawling out that way, especially in Officer, Pakenham and beyond.

Why you would choose to spend your time defending the incompetence of state governments which do not give a shit about you, your family, or anybody like you, and instead piss up your tax money on projects which line the pockets of their mates in Big Business is beyond me.

 

[neroblack]

Public policy doesn't have anything to do with who anyone votes for? Who is in fairyland exactly?



Typical apologist language.

The present benefits of the RRL are questionable at best. Given that finite money available to the government, it is criminal that the state government is spending so much on projects like that. Five billion dollars. Think about that for a moment.

You live in Berwick, yes? How long does it take to catch a train to/from the city? 65, 70 minutes each way? Do you ever wonder why it takes so long? And how do you go getting a park at Berwick station after, say, 8am? Do you ever wonder if it might be worth investing a few million dollars to build more parking spaces? And how do people go getting a seat on a train past, say, Dandenong?

You of all people ought to know how woeful PT is in outer-suburbia. You also ought to know how quickly the city is sprawling out that way, especially in Officer, Pakenham and beyond.

Why you would choose to spend your time defending the incompetence of state governments which do not give a shit about you, your family, or anybody like you, and instead piss up your tax money on projects which line the pockets of their mates in Big Business is beyond me.

Honestly I'm not defending anyone. You're just looking for someone to argue with, and when you write as much crap as you've just written not many people will bother.

It takes about 65 minutes on the train off peak, and about 35 minutes to drive off peak. In peak hour, it's about 55 minutes on the train and anything from 45-50 minutes with a good run, and up to probably 2 hours if something goes wrong. That can also happen on the train when they break down or something goes wrong there, which happens a little bit too often, but when it runs well it's fine. I use whatever suits me best on any particular day.

I know exactly how much the city is sprawling in the south-east, the north and the west. That's what I do for a job (I don't work for government either). I can see that you're good at identifying the problems with the road network and public transport, I'm yet to see you suggest a solution.

You make a good point about government lining the pockets of their mates by continuing with infrastructure projects. There is a shift starting to happen towards projects other than roads. There will be more roads built after the east west link, with the major one being the outer metro ring road in the west and north. But there will also be a lot more public transport investment that happens, which will give money to businesses but also benefit how the city functions.

If you want to discuss all of these things I'm happy to, but I don't care enough to argue. So don't waste time.

 

[hamohawk1]

a lot of the e-w tunnel is still in its infancy imo. still requires a heavy amount of private investment and investment from governments (beyond abbots pledge)