Next Coach?

[Saintly Viewed]

Somebody alive?

 

[Duritz]

We don't have Leppo

Cool Post

How's Leppo going?

Have you won a game yet?

Touchy, touchy.

So you're saying you're satisfied with bradburying a win against the hapless Tigers, with the help of the umpires?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Touchy, touchy.

So you're saying you're satisfied with bradburying a win against the hapless Tigers, with the help of the umpires?

Here are some crayons for you, off you go....
Then off to bed, straight into your cot

 

[Buckley is my hero]

I desperately want Buckley to succeed as coach, but feel that he has drifted too far from the simple game plan of Mick Malthouse. Malthouse rarely moved players around the ground, whereas Buckley is constantly making changes to his game plan. Result is the players are confused and not sure where to run and how to defend. Still a very young side however and once the players learn their role in the team and trust their teammates, we should string a few wins together and make a strong run into the finals. But if it doesn't work out for Buckley we shouldn't panic and go outside in search of a new coach. The next choice of coach should come from one of the assistant coaches, either Robert Harvey or Scotty Burns.

 

[Maggie5]

Touchy, touchy.

So you're saying you're satisfied with bradburying a win against the hapless Tigers, with the help of the umpires?

Bradbury is in the record books as a gold medal winner, I'd take that wouldn't you?

 

[Maggie5]

Is there any club forum that doesn't have a thread about their next coach?
I can only think of Essendon, WB, Blues, Hawks, Sydney, GWS, GC, Adelaide. That makes about 10 clubs that are looking for new coaches.

 

[jackcass]

Buckley not going anywhere yet.

 

[nahnah]

Touchy, touchy.

So you're saying you're satisfied with bradburying a win against the hapless Tigers, with the help of the umpires?

What makes you think you're different to any other Collingwood hater and that we will actually place any worth on your opinion?

 

[Jasper84]

Have you sacked him yet?

We were going to tweet that he was going nowhere, but it all seemed very unprofessional.

 

[Mukesh]

Think we really made a huge mistake for our club not getting Bolton.

Yeah good one... Bolton..who nobody even knew existed before Clarko got sick...

 

[Temploar]

Buckley's going to see out his contract unless we're bottom 4 this year. Regardless of what fans say, if he was going to go it would have been a while ago.
The players love him, some players are only here because of him, we're going to give him all the time in the world, and probably even more.

Whether it's for the right reason or not, the club has 'sack Buckley' last on their list of priorities. He's a favourite with everyone down at the Holden centre, and sacking him mid season, or with a playing group built around him, WILL destabilize the club no matter what. The only way he'll get sacked is if he falls out of favour with the players. Which is unlikely.

We're going to put way more effort into making it work, than we ever will sacking him.

We can thank him for Treloar, Aish, Adams, etc.... It's fair to say they wouldn't be here if it weren't for Bucks. They adore the guy and everyone wants to see him succeed.

Whether he has what it takes or not is a different story, and trust me, I used to be the biggest Buckley hater.... But you can't hate such a genuine guy.
His coaching ability leaves a lot to be desired, but if anyone's going to improve as a coach it's going to be him, his determination is relentless and we all saw it with him as a player.

It might be a disaster if we fail on field this season, but I think sacking him will be even more of a disaster. Malthouse disharmony 2.0.
I'd rather wait until the end of 2017 to judge him and sit down and truly look at his results, rather than making a rash decision and causing players to get upset. We have spent way too much time building this team around Buckley, to get rid of him now would cause another 4 years of team building.

Yes yes, you can go and say 'but Temploar, they're professional footballers... they shouldn't care what coach they play for, they get paid to do this!'
Cmon, we all know this isn't the case. They're human, professional or not, they're as weak-willed as the rest of the human race. If it came down to me playing under my idol at a young age, with virtually no maturity and ability to put up with conflicting characters VS a grumpy genius who is highly introverted who orders me around and tells me what to do - I know what i'd choose, regardless of premierships, regardless of results. These are young kids who don't understand the concept of 'legacy' - 'glory' - 'passion' - well, very few of them do. Not many AFL footballers understand what it means to truly 'play for the club' until later in their career. Read the recent article about Barry Hall not giving a **** whether he won the grand final or not when he was 19. Unfortunately our playing group are kids who want to surround themselves with familiar faces, we'll be better off for it when we do build a true legacy, these players haven't experienced a premiership yet, but when they do, the desire for another comes time after time again. Just look at the Hawks.

You can make an argument against me and say that the Hawks youngsters fit into the structure seamlessly and are as hungry for a premiership as the rest of the team. But it comes down to professionalism, Buckley is young in coaching terms, he gets along with the young guys and they look up to him but it's hard to truly follow someone until you see success, because then you get dragged into that success and want to emulate them. For example, put me to work under a boss who is young and hasn't achieved much in his short career, sure he is my boss but i'm not going to follow him as much as someone who is right at the top of their field, with the wares to show for it.

For those who have been following the EPL recently, just look at Manchester United - those players clearly don't want to play under Louis Van Gaal. Unfortunately they don't care about the legacy and the glory of playing for such a big club. Unhappiness causes disharmony and they're human like the rest of us.
Even Manchester City, their results have plummeted ever since they announced Pep Guardiola as their manager (Who is a downright footballing GENIUS). No matter who your next manager/coach is going to be, there's always going to be a portion of the playing group loyal to the old manager/coach and obviously the announcement that their manager was getting replaced ended up unsettling the players and poor results have been coming because of it. People build relationships and loyalty, take that away from them and then they don't have much left to keep them happy.

Previous history has shown it's a bad idea to get rid of a coach unless the playing group has a majority opinion of dislike against them. I think it's a HORRIBLE idea to get rid of a coach when a large majority of the playing group absolutely adores him. We saw this with Malthouse, a lot of players idolized him and his expertise, and it did destabilize us regardless of what we think or not. We'd be stupid to make the same mistake twice.

As far as our next coach goes.... Scott Burns. He isn't around for no reason.
Smokey would be Dale Tapping. I don't think we'll go poaching, barring some sort of disaster.

There's nobody to poach anyway, Clarkson is happy, Ross Lyon is a dud, Longmire and Simpson won't be leaving their jobs for a reasonable amount of time, Paul Roos is sealed into his job at the Dees, and Bolton just joined the Blues.

 

[Vicky Park]

Vince Lombardi?
(Besides different sport oh and he's dead)

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I think being alive would be one of the key selection criteria.

 

[speedytiger]

I think being alive would be one of the key selection criteria.

Jeez some people set the bar high these days

 

[The Plowking]

Touchy, touchy.

So you're saying you're satisfied with bradburying a win against the hapless Tigers, with the help of the umpires?

See , with a knee-jerk mindset, Hawks would have sacked Clarkson after another failure in '11, Geelong definitely would not have persevered with that dud Thompson mid 2000's and Collingwood would have sacked Malthouse circa 2005.

That's 7 premierships.

Why on earth anyone would advocate sacking a coach during a rebuild is beyond me. Need to see this contract through imo.

Like a couple posters suggest, bottom 4 he's in trouble.

 

[Anzacday]

Well played Duritz caught enough to feed an army.

 

[jmac70]

Buckley's going to see out his contract unless we're bottom 4 this year. Regardless of what fans say, if he was going to go it would have been a while ago.
The players love him, some players are only here because of him, we're going to give him all the time in the world, and probably even more.

Weather it's for the right reason or not, the club has 'sack Buckley' last on their list of priorities. He's a favourite with everyone down at the Holden centre, and sacking him mid season, or with a playing group built around him, WILL destabilize the club no matter what. The only way he'll get sacked is if he falls out of favour with the players. Which is unlikely.

We're going to put way more effort into making it work, than we ever will sacking him.

We can thank him for Treloar, Aish, Adams, etc.... It's fair to say they wouldn't be here if it weren't for Bucks. They adore the guy and everyone wants to see him succeed.

Weather he has what it takes or not is a different story, and trust me, I used to be the biggest Buckley hater.... But you can't hate such a genuine guy.
His coaching ability leaves a lot to be desired, but if anyone's going to improve as a coach it's going to be him, his determination is relentless and we all saw it with him as a player.

It might be a disaster if we fail on field this season, but I think sacking him will be even more of a disaster. Malthouse disharmony 2.0.
I'd rather wait until the end of 2017 to judge him and sit down and truly look at his results, rather than making a rash decision and causing players to get upset. We have spent way too much time building this team around Buckley, to get rid of him now would cause another 4 years of team building.

Yes yes, you can go and say 'but Temploar, they're professional footballers... they shouldn't care what coach they play for, they get paid to do this!'
Cmon, we all know this isn't the case. They're human, professional or not, they're as weak-willed as the rest of the human race. If it came down to me playing under my idol at a young age, with virtually no maturity and ability to put up with conflicting characters VS a grumpy genius who is highly introverted who orders me around and tells me what to do - I know what i'd choose, regardless of premierships, regardless of results. These are young kids who don't understand the concept of 'legacy' - 'glory' - 'passion' - well, very few of them do. Not many AFL footballers understand what it means to truly 'play for the club' until later in their career. Read the recent article about Barry Hall not giving a **** weather he won the grand final or not when he was 19. Unfortunately our playing group are kids who want to surround themselves with familiar faces, we'll be better off for it when we do build a true legacy, these players haven't experienced a premiership yet, but when they do, the desire for another comes time after time again. Just look at the Hawks.

You can make an argument against me and say that the Hawks youngsters fit into the structure seamlessly and are as hungry for a premiership as the rest of the team. But it comes down to professionalism, Buckley is young in coaching terms, he gets along with the young guys and they look up to him but it's hard to truly follow someone until you see success, because then you get dragged into that success and want to emulate them. For example, put me to work under a boss who is young and hasn't achieved much in his short career, sure he is my boss but i'm not going to follow him as much as someone who is right at the top of their field, with the wares to show for it.

For those who have been following the EPL recently, just look at Manchester United - those players clearly don't want to play under Louis Van Gaal. Unfortunately they don't care about the legacy and the glory of playing for such a big club. Unhappiness causes disharmony and they're human like the rest of us.
Even Manchester City, their results have plummeted ever since they announced Pep Guardiola as their manager (Who is a downright footballing GENIUS). No matter who your next manager/coach is going to be, there's always going to be a portion of the playing group loyal to the old manager/coach and obviously the announcement that their manager was getting replaced ended up unsettling the players and poor results have been coming because of it. People build relationships and loyalty, take that away from them and then they don't have much left to keep them happy.

Previous history has shown it's a bad idea to get rid of a coach unless the playing group has a majority opinion of dislike against them. I think it's a HORRIBLE idea to get rid of a coach when a large majority of the playing group absolutely adores him. We saw this with Malthouse, a lot of players idolized him and his expertise, and it did destabilize us regardless of what we think or not. We'd be stupid to make the same mistake twice.

As far as our next coach goes.... Scott Burns. He isn't around for no reason.
Smokey would be Dale Tapping. I don't think we'll go poaching, barring some sort of disaster.

There's nobody to poach anyway, Clarkson is happy, Ross Lyon is a dud, Longmire and Simpson won't be leaving their jobs for a reasonable amount of time, Paul Roos is sealed into his job at the Dees, and Bolton just joined the Blues.

I have heard from people connected with a coterie group that the target of making finals is a key requirement for Buckley to coach in 2017. If we miss the finals it would need to be narrowly for him to stay. The club believes we have a good enough list now to play in September.

 

[jmac70]

Touchy, touchy.

So you're saying you're satisfied with bradburying a win against the hapless Tigers, with the help of the umpires?

What a load of horse crap.

 

[The_Anvil]

Buckley's going to see out his contract unless we're bottom 4 this year. Regardless of what fans say, if he was going to go it would have been a while ago.
The players love him, some players are only here because of him, we're going to give him all the time in the world, and probably even more.

Weather it's for the right reason or not, the club has 'sack Buckley' last on their list of priorities. He's a favourite with everyone down at the Holden centre, and sacking him mid season, or with a playing group built around him, WILL destabilize the club no matter what. The only way he'll get sacked is if he falls out of favour with the players. Which is unlikely.

We're going to put way more effort into making it work, than we ever will sacking him.

We can thank him for Treloar, Aish, Adams, etc.... It's fair to say they wouldn't be here if it weren't for Bucks. They adore the guy and everyone wants to see him succeed.

Weather he has what it takes or not is a different story, and trust me, I used to be the biggest Buckley hater.... But you can't hate such a genuine guy.
His coaching ability leaves a lot to be desired, but if anyone's going to improve as a coach it's going to be him, his determination is relentless and we all saw it with him as a player.

It might be a disaster if we fail on field this season, but I think sacking him will be even more of a disaster. Malthouse disharmony 2.0.
I'd rather wait until the end of 2017 to judge him and sit down and truly look at his results, rather than making a rash decision and causing players to get upset. We have spent way too much time building this team around Buckley, to get rid of him now would cause another 4 years of team building.

Yes yes, you can go and say 'but Temploar, they're professional footballers... they shouldn't care what coach they play for, they get paid to do this!'
Cmon, we all know this isn't the case. They're human, professional or not, they're as weak-willed as the rest of the human race. If it came down to me playing under my idol at a young age, with virtually no maturity and ability to put up with conflicting characters VS a grumpy genius who is highly introverted who orders me around and tells me what to do - I know what i'd choose, regardless of premierships, regardless of results. These are young kids who don't understand the concept of 'legacy' - 'glory' - 'passion' - well, very few of them do. Not many AFL footballers understand what it means to truly 'play for the club' until later in their career. Read the recent article about Barry Hall not giving a **** weather he won the grand final or not when he was 19. Unfortunately our playing group are kids who want to surround themselves with familiar faces, we'll be better off for it when we do build a true legacy, these players haven't experienced a premiership yet, but when they do, the desire for another comes time after time again. Just look at the Hawks.

You can make an argument against me and say that the Hawks youngsters fit into the structure seamlessly and are as hungry for a premiership as the rest of the team. But it comes down to professionalism, Buckley is young in coaching terms, he gets along with the young guys and they look up to him but it's hard to truly follow someone until you see success, because then you get dragged into that success and want to emulate them. For example, put me to work under a boss who is young and hasn't achieved much in his short career, sure he is my boss but i'm not going to follow him as much as someone who is right at the top of their field, with the wares to show for it.

For those who have been following the EPL recently, just look at Manchester United - those players clearly don't want to play under Louis Van Gaal. Unfortunately they don't care about the legacy and the glory of playing for such a big club. Unhappiness causes disharmony and they're human like the rest of us.
Even Manchester City, their results have plummeted ever since they announced Pep Guardiola as their manager (Who is a downright footballing GENIUS). No matter who your next manager/coach is going to be, there's always going to be a portion of the playing group loyal to the old manager/coach and obviously the announcement that their manager was getting replaced ended up unsettling the players and poor results have been coming because of it. People build relationships and loyalty, take that away from them and then they don't have much left to keep them happy.

Previous history has shown it's a bad idea to get rid of a coach unless the playing group has a majority opinion of dislike against them. I think it's a HORRIBLE idea to get rid of a coach when a large majority of the playing group absolutely adores him. We saw this with Malthouse, a lot of players idolized him and his expertise, and it did destabilize us regardless of what we think or not. We'd be stupid to make the same mistake twice.

As far as our next coach goes.... Scott Burns. He isn't around for no reason.
Smokey would be Dale Tapping. I don't think we'll go poaching, barring some sort of disaster.

There's nobody to poach anyway, Clarkson is happy, Ross Lyon is a dud, Longmire and Simpson won't be leaving their jobs for a reasonable amount of time, Paul Roos is sealed into his job at the Dees, and Bolton just joined the Blues.

I think I would throw up if Paul Roos became the next coach of Collingwood

 

[Duritz]

What makes you think you're different to any other Collingwood hater and that we will actually place any worth on your opinion?

We were going to tweet that he was going nowhere, but it all seemed very unprofessional.

See , with a knee-jerk mindset, Hawks would have sacked Clarkson after another failure in '11, Geelong definitely would not have persevered with that dud Thompson mid 2000's and Collingwood would have sacked Malthouse circa 2005.

That's 7 premierships.

Why on earth anyone would advocate sacking a coach during a rebuild is beyond me. Need to see this contract through imo.

Like a couple posters suggest, bottom 4 he's in trouble.

What a load of horse crap.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I have heard from people connected with a coterie group that the target of making finals is a key requirement for Buckley to coach in 2017. If we miss the finals it would need to be narrowly for him to stay. The club believes we have a good enough list now to play in September.

Ah coteries?
Yes people with money or who spend money, who because of that suddenly are "experts"
Ultimately the Board will make any call with Gary Pert.
In the meantime the experts can spend their money and continue being big headed, if that's their bent

 

[Temploar]

I have heard from people connected with a coterie group that the target of making finals is a key requirement for Buckley to coach in 2017. If we miss the finals it would need to be narrowly for him to stay. The club believes we have a good enough list now to play in September.

It's going to be a hard year to make finals in, there isn't a team you can look at right now and say "They're easily beatable" - I know it's early in the season but it feels like it's going to be one of those years, GC and GWS are by no means easy beats anymore and are getting into the upper spectrum of good teams, mainly GWS.
Essendon will surprise a few, they still have a good core list barring injuries. Carlton look 'different' under Bolton, and Melbourne aren't a rabble either.

Hard to say where we fit in, but yeah I agree, we do need to make finals for Buckley to retain any credibility.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Buckley's going to see out his contract unless we're bottom 4 this year. Regardless of what fans say, if he was going to go it would have been a while ago.
The players love him, some players are only here because of him, we're going to give him all the time in the world, and probably even more.

Weather it's for the right reason or not, the club has 'sack Buckley' last on their list of priorities. He's a favourite with everyone down at the Holden centre, and sacking him mid season, or with a playing group built around him, WILL destabilize the club no matter what. The only way he'll get sacked is if he falls out of favour with the players. Which is unlikely.

We're going to put way more effort into making it work, than we ever will sacking him.

We can thank him for Treloar, Aish, Adams, etc.... It's fair to say they wouldn't be here if it weren't for Bucks. They adore the guy and everyone wants to see him succeed.

Weather he has what it takes or not is a different story, and trust me, I used to be the biggest Buckley hater.... But you can't hate such a genuine guy.
His coaching ability leaves a lot to be desired, but if anyone's going to improve as a coach it's going to be him, his determination is relentless and we all saw it with him as a player.

It might be a disaster if we fail on field this season, but I think sacking him will be even more of a disaster. Malthouse disharmony 2.0.
I'd rather wait until the end of 2017 to judge him and sit down and truly look at his results, rather than making a rash decision and causing players to get upset. We have spent way too much time building this team around Buckley, to get rid of him now would cause another 4 years of team building.

Yes yes, you can go and say 'but Temploar, they're professional footballers... they shouldn't care what coach they play for, they get paid to do this!'
Cmon, we all know this isn't the case. They're human, professional or not, they're as weak-willed as the rest of the human race. If it came down to me playing under my idol at a young age, with virtually no maturity and ability to put up with conflicting characters VS a grumpy genius who is highly introverted who orders me around and tells me what to do - I know what i'd choose, regardless of premierships, regardless of results. These are young kids who don't understand the concept of 'legacy' - 'glory' - 'passion' - well, very few of them do. Not many AFL footballers understand what it means to truly 'play for the club' until later in their career. Read the recent article about Barry Hall not giving a **** weather he won the grand final or not when he was 19. Unfortunately our playing group are kids who want to surround themselves with familiar faces, we'll be better off for it when we do build a true legacy, these players haven't experienced a premiership yet, but when they do, the desire for another comes time after time again. Just look at the Hawks.

You can make an argument against me and say that the Hawks youngsters fit into the structure seamlessly and are as hungry for a premiership as the rest of the team. But it comes down to professionalism, Buckley is young in coaching terms, he gets along with the young guys and they look up to him but it's hard to truly follow someone until you see success, because then you get dragged into that success and want to emulate them. For example, put me to work under a boss who is young and hasn't achieved much in his short career, sure he is my boss but i'm not going to follow him as much as someone who is right at the top of their field, with the wares to show for it.

For those who have been following the EPL recently, just look at Manchester United - those players clearly don't want to play under Louis Van Gaal. Unfortunately they don't care about the legacy and the glory of playing for such a big club. Unhappiness causes disharmony and they're human like the rest of us.
Even Manchester City, their results have plummeted ever since they announced Pep Guardiola as their manager (Who is a downright footballing GENIUS). No matter who your next manager/coach is going to be, there's always going to be a portion of the playing group loyal to the old manager/coach and obviously the announcement that their manager was getting replaced ended up unsettling the players and poor results have been coming because of it. People build relationships and loyalty, take that away from them and then they don't have much left to keep them happy.

Previous history has shown it's a bad idea to get rid of a coach unless the playing group has a majority opinion of dislike against them. I think it's a HORRIBLE idea to get rid of a coach when a large majority of the playing group absolutely adores him. We saw this with Malthouse, a lot of players idolized him and his expertise, and it did destabilize us regardless of what we think or not. We'd be stupid to make the same mistake twice.

As far as our next coach goes.... Scott Burns. He isn't around for no reason.
Smokey would be Dale Tapping. I don't think we'll go poaching, barring some sort of disaster.

There's nobody to poach anyway, Clarkson is happy, Ross Lyon is a dud, Longmire and Simpson won't be leaving their jobs for a reasonable amount of time, Paul Roos is sealed into his job at the Dees, and Bolton just joined the Blues.

Great great post.
To sum up, players are humans. Nathan is there for the long haul.

Players Have the same foibles, strengths weaknesses just like every body else.
And there is no magic pudding to just replace a coach and it is all golden times.

Great post.

 

[Temploar]

Jeez some people set the bar high these days

Not really. I heard Carlton once hired a Zombie as their coach.

Didn't work out well, something about not being able to see.

 

[Temploar]

Great great post.
To sum up, players are humans. Nathan is there for the long haul.

Players Have the same foibles, strengths weaknesses just like every body else.
And there is no magic pudding to just replace a coach and it is all golden times.

Great post.

I tried to get my point across, I went around in circles a bit, but I think I got my point across.

There are only a handful of 'true professionals' in this world, and there aren't many at the Collingwood Football Club, nor are there many in the AFL - And that's OK - But we shouldn't expect them to not have emotional attachments to people.

 

[Temploar]

Ah coteries?
Yes people with money or who spend money, who because of that suddenly are "experts"
Ultimately the Board will make any call with Gary Pert.
In the meantime the experts can spend their money and continue being big headed, if that's their bent

"Coterie group"