Next Coach?

[jmac70]

That's accepting mediocrity.
We love Bucks, I get it of course, I'm a Pies supporter, but his playing career has nothing to do with his coaching career. As a coach, he's been average at best.

We have a strong list, we should be playing finals. We should have played finals in 2014 and 2015. Our list is better than Richmond and North (plus Essendon in 2014 and Adelaide in 2015).

As the coach, he should be held accountable for our mediocrity.

Am I rating our playing group too highly? Was it purely injuries that decimated our past few years?

It is accepting that Buckley is the right coach for Collingwood. He just had his contract renewed on the basis that the club is confident in the path that he has set. They are not about to change their minds after one poor game.

 

[Dundalis]

It is accepting that Buckley is the right coach for Collingwood. He just had his contract renewed on the basis that the club is confident in the path that he has set. They are not about to change their minds after one poor game.

That doesn't mean the club are making the right decision. No one is perfect and clubs make poor decisions all the time. Our club isn't immune from stupid. That being said, for all we know the extension was done to avoid distractions. They may feel comfortable terminating his contract and paying out for a year if it doesn't work out. If the club was truly confident Buckley is the right man for the club going forward, then the extension should have been longer than 1 year.

 

[jmac70]

That doesn't mean the club are making the right decision. No one is perfect and clubs make poor decisions all the time. Our club isn't immune from stupid. That being said, for all we know the extension was done to avoid distractions. If the club was truly confident Buckley is the right man for the club going forward, then the extension should have been longer than 1 year.

It was Buckley's idea apparently.

 

[Dundalis]

It was Buckley's idea apparently.

Source? I struggle to see how the club could have justified giving him say a 3 year extension based on the evidence of our consistent drop down the ladder over his tenure. You don't make business decisions based on faith, not if you want success anyway.

 

[jmac70]

Source? I struggle to see how the club could have justified giving him say a 3 year extension based on the evidence of our consistent drop down the ladder over his tenure. You don't make business decisions based on faith, not if you want success anyway.

Ladder position is not the only indicater of success, particularly during a rebuild. Are you happy we recruited Treloar?

 

[Schraderbrau]

Factional warfare will be a thing of beauty. How about these factions
Devil's advocates
Necessary evils
Hand wringers
Prophets of doom
Eternal optimists
Fence sitters
Analysts
Gameplan technicians
Revisionists
Match thread snipers
All rounders
Some can be fairly similar with small points of difference.

It's THATSGOLD and the Profits of Doom

 

[Duritz]

I don't think there should be a coach at all. There should be a collective vote each week on Bigfooty for what the game-plan should be, who gets selected, who gets de-listed, who's the final best 22 and which injury managed program should be in place for Ben Reid.

With all the experts on here, it's nothing short of guaranteed to work.

Gold. Make it happen!!

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

It's THATSGOLD and the Profits of Doom

Haha add a few more and you have a faction.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

... as long as Dave is left out of the discussion.

No.
One in all in.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Don't care who it is, but Bucks has to go.
He's had enough time to prove himself.
He plays his favourites, even though they're spuds.

#sackbucks

The hashtag speaks to the mindset.
Ah social media, the bastion of rational measured thought

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Question for you. If we finish somewhere between 10th and 18th this season, should Buckley stay or go?

Stay.
Magic puddings don't exist.
Build a list, not working, work new players through.
Eg bringing in Treloar, Aish, Howe...
Certainly Treloar is a plus.
Bring in more and more elite.

This might be really hard to grasp for an anti Buckley bridge barracker, but Paul Roos is well regarded. He's doing the same. Hardly had success. Geelong who similar to us won a flag in the 2011 (we 2010) decided after 2011 their list could still win a flag, they have been just treading water.
Only now with a range of their better players leaving, retiring etc, they bring in Dangerfield. They will have to keep turning their list over.
That's what we are doing.
So sacking a coach, wow, suddenly all our foot soldiers will become Gary Ablett?
Hardly think so. Most a sugar hit, couple of weeks of better performance maybe? Then we can tear the newbie coach apart. That's the plan isn't it? Let's go Richmond before they became sensible with stability.

Sacking coaches in panic mid stream in a planned period is often a knee jerk reaction. A sop To those that love to panic and hand wring.

No Collingwood is not perfect, sport is imprecise, but we are in building phase with a number of years to go.

So people keep panicking it's ok, there's a quick fix, the magic cure is there, voila we'll magically win flags again.

Meanwhile back in the real world, the workers go back to work, building building building....

 

[stevebbb]

Stay.
Magic puddings don't exist.
Build a list, not working, work new players through.
Eg bringing in Treloar, Aish, Howe...
Certainly Treloar is a plus.
Bring in more and more elite.

This might be really hard to grasp for an anti Buckley bridge barracker, but Paul Roos is well regarded. He's doing the same. Hardly had success. Geelong who similar to us won a flag in the 2011 (we 2010) decided after 2011 their list could still win a flag, they have been just treading water.
Only now with a range of their better players leaving, retiring etc, they bring in Dangerfield. They will have to keep turning their list over.
That's what we are doing.
So sacking a coach, wow, suddenly all our foot soldiers will become Gary Ablett?
Hardly think so. Most a sugar hit, couple of weeks of better performance maybe? Then we can tear the newbie coach apart. That's the plan isn't it? Let's go Richmond before they became sensible with stability.

Sacking coaches in panic mid stream in a planned period is often a knee jerk reaction. A sop To those that love to panic and hand wring.

No Collingwood is not perfect, sport is imprecise, but we are in building phase with a number of years to go.

So people keep panicking it's ok, there's a quick fix, the magic cure is there, voila we'll magically win flags again.

Meanwhile back in the real world, the workers go back to work, building building building....

We were meant to be winning premierships with Bucks. Now we're rebuilding... when did that happen?

Am I giving our list too much credit?

The issue I have is that Bucks he came in to a strong list and we've gone backwards. Results count.

If we're rebuilding, great, I do see a future with our young guns, but it doesn't change the fact that the last couple years have been crap.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Question for you. If we finish somewhere between 10th and 18th this season, should Buckley stay or go?

Gen Y?

 

[stevebbb]

Spot on mate

Mediocrity just doesn't cut it for us

 

[Quicky]

Stay.
Magic puddings don't exist.
Build a list, not working, work new players through.
Eg bringing in Treloar, Aish, Howe...
Certainly Treloar is a plus.
Bring in more and more elite.

This might be really hard to grasp for an anti Buckley bridge barracker, but Paul Roos is well regarded. He's doing the same. Hardly had success. Geelong who similar to us won a flag in the 2011 (we 2010) decided after 2011 their list could still win a flag, they have been just treading water.
Only now with a range of their better players leaving, retiring etc, they bring in Dangerfield. They will have to keep turning their list over.
That's what we are doing.
So sacking a coach, wow, suddenly all our foot soldiers will become Gary Ablett?
Hardly think so. Most a sugar hit, couple of weeks of better performance maybe? Then we can tear the newbie coach apart. That's the plan isn't it? Let's go Richmond before they became sensible with stability.

Sacking coaches in panic mid stream in a planned period is often a knee jerk reaction. A sop To those that love to panic and hand wring.

No Collingwood is not perfect, sport is imprecise, but we are in building phase with a number of years to go.

So people keep panicking it's ok, there's a quick fix, the magic cure is there, voila we'll magically win flags again.

Meanwhile back in the real world, the workers go back to work, building building building....

If you decide to sack a coach after 5 years of disintegrating performances I don't see how that is knee jerk.

If you do it after round 1 that would be knee jerk. It'll be interesting to see what comes at seasons end.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Spot on mate

Mediocrity just doesn't cut it for us

You'll have to forgive we Gen Xs as we didn't have parents with credit cards. We cope with delayed gratification.

 

[left at home]

You'd be over the moon if he was coming back knowing he can build an empire again.

the romans are long gone just like mm living in the past long since dead

 

[left at home]

Factional warfare will be a thing of beauty. How about these factions
Devil's advocates
Necessary evils
Hand wringers
Prophets of doom
Eternal optimists
Fence sitters
Analysts
Gameplan technicians
Revisionists
Match thread snipers
All rounders
Some can be fairly similar with small points of difference.

would love the match day thread instead of bagging the team we would be bagging each other for who was in the team

 

[Collingwoodity]

Seriously though, what about Billy Brownless and Crawf as his number 2

I want a succession plan with Billy Brownless as mentor and Garry Lyon as head coach.

 

[stevebbb]

I want a succession plan with Billy Brownless as mentor and Garry Lyon as head coach.

Best idea I've heard. You as President?

 

[Collingwoodity]

If Collingwood finishes 15-18th this season (or even next season) and Buckley is sacked, will all those that have criticized Buckley's gameplan and coaching be vindicated by those who are now ridiculing them as "pathetic" and "stupid"?

 

[Collingwoodity]

Best idea I've heard. You as President?

I would but I'm too underqualified, I'm not an ex-football player with no idea about football.

 

[Robroy22]

Stay.
Magic puddings don't exist.
Build a list, not working, work new players through.
Eg bringing in Treloar, Aish, Howe...
Certainly Treloar is a plus.
Bring in more and more elite.

This might be really hard to grasp for an anti Buckley bridge barracker, but Paul Roos is well regarded. He's doing the same. Hardly had success. Geelong who similar to us won a flag in the 2011 (we 2010) decided after 2011 their list could still win a flag, they have been just treading water.
Only now with a range of their better players leaving, retiring etc, they bring in Dangerfield. They will have to keep turning their list over.
That's what we are doing.
So sacking a coach, wow, suddenly all our foot soldiers will become Gary Ablett?
Hardly think so. Most a sugar hit, couple of weeks of better performance maybe? Then we can tear the newbie coach apart. That's the plan isn't it? Let's go Richmond before they became sensible with stability.

Sacking coaches in panic mid stream in a planned period is often a knee jerk reaction. A sop To those that love to panic and hand wring.

No Collingwood is not perfect, sport is imprecise, but we are in building phase with a number of years to go.

So people keep panicking it's ok, there's a quick fix, the magic cure is there, voila we'll magically win flags again.

Meanwhile back in the real world, the workers go back to work, building building building....

Well said sir

 

[jaxter600]

I know i shouldn't cos this is a Joke (of a) thread but news in from footywire!

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/afl_coaches?status=&type=R&sort=p

This would seem to indicate that at this stage that spud buckley (on 57.3%) sits just behind Leigh Matthew(57.5) and just ahead of Kevin Sheedy(57.2) and the great Micky M(57). I assume this means he sits amongst a plethora of spud coaches who know less than the collective wisdom of BF. I would still like to see improvement on his percentage - but given that I have never run a full time professional AFL club (nor am i involved in running Collingwood) I am unsure as to what would be (or has been) put in place in the club to achieve said goal.

On that note Floreat Pica and side by side (except when we disagree about who the spuds are).

 

[Saintly Viewed]

We were meant to be winning premierships with Bucks. Now we're rebuilding... when did that happen?

Am I giving our list too much credit?

The issue I have is that Bucks he came in to a strong list and we've gone backwards. Results count.

If we're rebuilding, great, I do see a future with our young guns, but it doesn't change the fact that the last couple years have been crap.

Sorry, this past list people love to bang on about.
Good yes, but by 2012 that group overall were cooked.
Jolly so integral to 2010 and Didak were done.
We decided to not do a Geelong and retain medium positions but rebuild.
That's what's going on.
The last couple of seasons is in keeping with building a team and games into players.
Go 8 - 3 then falling away sounds right to building groups.

Patience grasshopper.

If we had Roos or Lyon or even Clarkson this group isn't quite ready.
To get ready we need the elite
Pendlebury, Treloar (Swan) with the growth to elite of Moore, De Goey, Grundy etc
And this that troubles me, the emergence Again! Of Cloke to lead with strings marks, impose himself etc.
Then add some luck and injury list being ok, and who knows where we go.

But magic pudding solutions work in Hollywood movies not in the real world.

But you can think the messiah is coming and voila premiership glory. Each to their own.

Only 1 in 18 win the whole thing, them tough odds....