Nathan McSweeney 501 runs at 45 continuing his promising form from last season.
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Big opportunity in the PMs XI game this week. Could even have the big C next to his name for SA next year.
SA need a captain who isn't Boof Jnr. It seemed to ruin Hunt so maybe McSweeney is the answer.as opposed to the little c he shares with the rest of his teammates currently?
Or maybe he cements a spot in the Aussie side and SA are stuck with Boof Jnr.
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I've never seen the Shield rosters so weak.
I wonder if the way they have condensed the schedule over the past few years is a contributing factor?
Now they play 5-6 games between October to the start of December to accommodate the excessive length of the BBL, so pitches aren’t really conducive to batsman and if a player is having a bad run of form there’s no real opportunity outside of getting dropped to go back and work on their game, and bowlers also have to be rotated to avoid injuries etc and then amount of meaningless tournaments the OD1 or T20 teams play through this period further devalues the Sheffield Shield as additional players are unavailable.
I’d love to see them out a bit more focus on the shield - shorten the BBL so they’re playing 4 day games until late December and spread out the games far more over this period.
Now they play 5-6 games between October to the start of December to accommodate the excessive length of the BBL, so pitches aren’t really conducive to batsman and if a player is having a bad run of form there’s no real opportunity outside of getting dropped to go back and work on their game, and bowlers also have to be rotated to avoid injuries etc and then amount of meaningless tournaments the OD1 or T20 teams play through this period further devalues the Sheffield Shield as additional players are unavailable.
I’d love to see them out a bit more focus on the shield - shorten the BBL so they’re playing 4 day games until late December and spread out the games far more over this period.
Every level has dropped away - Grade / Premier is ordinary, the chances of someone moving into FC from this level is non existent for a couple of reasons, as a result the depth has fallen away, combined with all new generations having a deficiency in technique due to the way the game is mass learned and you’ve got a poor base.
Community cricket below this is horrid in general, the standard has declined to an alarming rate.
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What’s the solution for this? Is there even one or is it just the inevitable end of red ball cricket dying a slow death?
What I’d like to see, it won’t happen obviously but I’d like to see them scrap the BBL franchises and just stick to a state model. Why not have a full season of state cricket playing red ball & white ball concurrently? 4 day games, ODIs, T20s all summer, state v state.
Does any one even care about the internationals in t20s anymore? I mean I don’t even know who the internationals are for the most part they’re just t20 circuit players who come for a paycheck. We don’t even get the best ones as it is.
Save the money & spend it on locals. Put the money required to make playing for your state a valuable job. We can’t save international cricket but we could, if we wanted to, make Australian cricket strong with a strong domestic league, with proper coverage & eyeballs that over time would grow into something meaningful IMO. With kids growing up wanting to play cricket for their state & maybe one day their country.
CA makes enough money to fund this model and in time it just means more cricket for broadcasters to throw their cash at.
Sadly, society has changed, everything is now instant. Cricket to be fully appreciated and played correctly takes time. The way kids learn the game os essentially backyard cricket, which is great if that’s all you ever want to play. We need and my brother were growing up we played modified games including “10 ball cricket” we should have taken out a patent - with the BBL effectively wiping out the two main months of summer of Shield cricket the structural changes to the game simply cannot be reversed quickly or are ever likely to change. Our third tier cricket (Grade / Premier) was once the strongest in the world - I’m not sure it is anymore and it’s declined noticeably in the last 25 years and significantly since the BBL came in
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what we'd give for players born in the wrong era like d.hussey, siddons, law, love and even the likes of elliott , lehmann, bevan to be banging down the door.
That was not normal either though. We had one of the two best cricket teams ever.
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perhaps not, but sure d.hussey deserved a game in front of the likes of quiney.
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Maybe... But it's highly possible if those blokes were born ten years later they'd not be much better than the likes of Nic Maddinson, Chris Lynn, Cameron Bancroft, Joe Burns, Jake Doran et al.
Has the level of talent really dropped that much? Yep, it's probably not as strong but it'll take a lot to convince me that the current batting predicament isn't equally due to a lack of development and training as opposed to lack of talent.
We had a tri-series in which the final was Australia v Australia A. It was certainly not a normal period, that team is one of the all time greats for a reason. It was an all time team with an all time level of depth.
Arguably the 2nd best leg spinner of all time couldn't even get in the team, along with several bats averaging well over 50. That's not normal.
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The fact the likes of Paul Nobes, Jason Arnberger, Dominic Thornely all had first class averages of 40+ (or very close to) tells me that we really nurtured our batsmen back in that era (and the shield pitches were definitely better for batting on).
Those guys are all fine cricketers in their own right, but I'm having a hard time transplanting them into the current era and performing to the same level because that would mean they'd have either played test cricket already or be amongst the best modern day players to have missed out... Again, fine cricketers but I'm just not buying that.
So the idea that say Martin Love born 20 years later would still average 50 in shield cricket and be able to translate that into a long term 45+ test cricket average... It's definitely possible that it turns out that way, but I don't think you can just assume it will. The career and development pathways he got in the early to mid 90's are significantly stronger than what he would have got circa 2015.
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Love on the eye test was the one who looked a class above to me.
I think Kerry O’Keeffe probably summed it up best when he said Love was mid 20’s man living in a retirees body
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Class player and probably one guy who could transplant from era to era and perform to a similar level, due to the simple ease of his technique. Kane Williamson, Damien Martyn and Mark Waugh apply here as well.
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Australian sport in the 90s caught the perfect updraught.
Aftermath of no golds at Montreal 1976 leading to the creation of the AIS.
Bids for 1992, 1996 and eventually the successful 2000 Olympics bid meant money was getting pumped into sport.
The creation of the Australian Cricket Academy in the 80s. I can't remember if other countries had an equivalent - I don't think so and if they did, it definitely wasn't on the same scale.
It was inevitable we'd come back to the pack a bit.
Aftermath of no golds at Montreal 1976 leading to the creation of the AIS.
Bids for 1992, 1996 and eventually the successful 2000 Olympics bid meant money was getting pumped into sport.
The creation of the Australian Cricket Academy in the 80s. I can't remember if other countries had an equivalent - I don't think so and if they did, it definitely wasn't on the same scale.
It was inevitable we'd come back to the pack a bit.
Most nations tried it at sone point with limited success - the quad series that featured Australia v Australia A was its zenith - save for Greg Rowell and maybe one other, every player in Aus A eventuality made it to a point. Plenty of careers launched off the back of that series.
Phil Emery was the stumper as I recall, maybe he played in both in the off chance when Healy was injured, remembering AC Gilchrist could not get a game for NSW
