Next Generation

[BGman]

@ Tasweigans

How do these guys stack up?

Caleb Jewell
Mac Wright
Tim Ward
Jake Doran
Mitch Owen
Brad Hope
Nivethan Radhakrishnan

All 20-26yo

Possibly only Ward for a Baggy Green. Jewell, Wright, Owen possible international short format.

 

[BGman]

I'll have a crack at of mostly young, uncapped line up of players who could play before our next series in England in 2027

1. Hearne
2. Hunt
3. Wyllie
4. Kellaway
5. Hardie
6. Gilkes (WK)
7. Sutherland
8. Perry
9. Bartlett
10. Sangha
11. Morris

Hunt (smokie Harry Dixon)
Wade (smokie Ethan Jamieson)
Marnus
Wyllie (smokie Sam Konstas)
Green
Hardie
Inglis/Philippe (smokie Lachlan Aitken)

My attack includes Spencer Johnson, rest same as yours. I wanna add Jhye Richardson too but constant injury is ruining his career. Smokie Hunar Verma.

 

[Voice of the G]

Hunt (smokie Harry Dixon)
Wade
Wyllie
Konstas (smokie)
Green
Hardie
Ingis (smokie Lachlan Aitken)

My attack includes Spencer Johnson, rest same as yours. smokies Callum Vidler or Mahli Beardman if they avoid back trouble.

Are you having a re think about Harry Dixon,lol

 

[BGman]

Are you having a re think about Harry Dixon,lol

I have not written him off, you have misunderstood my post. Given expert technical tuition he will have a long Test career imho. If Warner can so can he as similar players at the same stage of their development. Difference I believe is Warner never improved technically, Dixon will if he has the correct attitude.

 

[Coops93]

Modern game, meaning turning traditional Test cricket into Bazball. I hope like hell there remain sufficient punters out there, like me, that enjoy watching a batsman build an innings to set a platform for those to come. I do think it is important in this new age tho to have two gears. This I see in several of our next gens, take for example the two leg Junior Ashes series which has just concluded, with the Aussies smacking the Poms bums in both formats. The last two Tester being played on Bazball (batting friendly) decks. Please CA dont prepare similar decks for this Shield season, otherwise the bowlers will strike.

No... it's like you didn't read the rest of my post. I explained my position and it had nothing to do with Bazball and simply not having a strong rank of youthful batters having an impact.

Followed that by saying they have a good balance of power and stroke making... not that they play Bazball and we should too - but they have balance.

I think the kind of fan you're longing for is exactly what I am... but you also need to recognise what is happening in the modern game. The gears thing is exactly what I'm referring too, not "turning traditional test cricket into Bazball", as you put it.

 

[Voice of the G]

I have not written him off, you have misunderstood my post. Given expert technical tuition he will have a long Test career imho. If Warner can so can he as similar players at the same stage of their development. Difference I believe is Warner never improved technically, Dixon will if he has the correct attitude.

He reminds a lot of when Ricky Ponting started as a 16 year old in Tasmania but in those days they did not have T20 cricket and limited 1 day stuff.Fully understand where you are coming from with his technique so lets see how he goes in the upcoming season in red ball cricket.

 

[BGman]

they have a good balance of power and stroke making

Think you may be underestinating our young cricketers, going on what some of our boys showed in both legs of the just completed Junior Ashes. Most of them excelled in the underage nationals which as you know is white ball with an emphasis on quick scoring. Thankfully, for purists like me, there are still some youngsters that have ingrained red ball skills from playing in Premier Cricket, some from as young as pre teens, yet they can also play the power game as a fair proportion of their early cricket has been white ball. Was your earlier point basicly that todays player has to adapt to the modern game and know how to attack when the game situation demands. I agree but not from ball one as most of the Pommies did with this so called Bazball in the last Ashes. That to me degrades Test cricket as there are still some of us that enjoy watching a batsman build his innings.

 

[BGman]

Fully understand where you are coming from with his technique so lets see how he goes in the upcoming season in red ball cricket.

Mate if he does get his First Class debut and plays most home games at St Kilda and some away at Karen Rolton Oval he wont need a technique. There needs to be a concerted effort by the respective state bodies to provide their decks with some modicum of a challenge for the batsman.

 

[Coops93]

Think you may be underestinating our young cricketers, going on what some of our boys showed in both legs of the just completed Junior Ashes. Most of them excelled in the underage nationals which as you know is white ball with an emphasis on quick scoring. Thankfully, for purists like me, there are still some youngsters that have ingrained red ball skills from playing in Premier Cricket, some from as young as pre teens, yet they can also play the power game as a fair proportion of their early cricket has been white ball. Was your earlier point basicly that todays player has to adapt to the modern game and know how to attack when the game situation demands. I agree but not from ball one as most of the Pommies did with this so called Bazball in the last Ashes. That to me degrades Test cricket as there are still some of us that enjoy watching a batsman build his innings.

My original comment was based on what's being showed at test level, not what is coming through below. The other big test nations have under 24s scoring test tons in a variety of styles and positions in the order right now.

I do have some hope from the next generation, but there's a gap from the current generation to when they come through.

 

[Coops93]

Namely the Poms, that is where the reference to Bazball in my original reply came from. ''Under 24 batsmen scoring hundreds'', you referring to the gnome opener Duckett and his giant partner Crawley whose FC averages were in the mid @30s yet they were playing Test cricket , not very successfully either, and there were others. Brook was the only one in that age group with a decent FC record. As Englands white ball cricket was stronger than its Test cricket at the time skipper Stokes and new coach McCullum meet over a few beers at the local and hatch a plan to turn Test cricket on its head by producing white ball decks to cater for their plentiful aggressive batsmen. They then take their idea to the ECB who must have condoned it. Now what about a name, how does Bazball sound, after you Baz one of the best ever white ball sluggers. (but a moderate Test batsman who averaged late 30s in Tests)

Not really namely the Poms, you've made it about them. You inferred Bazball but it was irrelevant to my point. You can try and make it about Bazball if you like but you're arguing against yourself. I agree more or less re Crawley & Duckett, but at the end of the day they've scored multiple test centuries as under 24s which bodes well for their long term career even if their record right now is middling at best. Less so Duckett tbf as he's 28 so he's not really in consideration.

India have a couple in Shubman Gill & Rishabh Pant, even Shaw could also be referenced but who knows what's going on there nowadays so probably not right now.

Dismiss them for whatever reason you like, but at the end of the day the stats don't lie. Our contemporaries have youth in test cricket scoring tons right now, while our batters are all late 20s or higher with no youth really pushing them for a spot, let alone in the team scoring tons.

 

[BGman]

 

[BGman]

You inferred Bazball but it was irrelevant to my point.

It is very relevant as this aggressive type of Test batting (BAZBALL) has given these first class duds with dodgy techniques Test 100s which were unlikely had they played on traditional moving Test decks instead of over the top batting belters. Gill and Pant also have dodgy techniques and score their runs in a reckless manner, unlike their contemporaries Tendulkar, Pujara and Dravid.
I give it three years and our current Test batsmen will have a crop of talented youngsters pushing for their spots. If you had watched the Junior Ashes you will see where I am coming from. Meanwhile the likes of Will Pucovski, Tim Ward, Henry Hunt and others, have the game now to replace our current openers.
That is my last word on this subject.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Jordan Buckingham has his name up in lights among the ever growing list of quicks waiting in the wings behind the big 3

 

[Soups]

Hunt looking like he’s dropped off a fair margin unfortunately.

 

[BGman]

Hunt looking like he’s dropped off a fair margin unfortunately.

Yes all rather baffling. Seems to be about the time he was handed the SA captaincy, then subsequently relinquished it. Obviously the added pressure of leadership was hurting his game.

 

[Soups]

Yes all rather baffling. Seems to be about the time he was handed the SA captaincy, then subsequently relinquished it. Obviously being a leader was hurting his game.

That’s South Aus cricket for you

 

[toml]

Nathan Mcsweeney will play for Australia at some point in the near future, just has that little something extra to my eyes than most of the domestic battlers, and that's a hill I am prepared to die on. Seems to just be getting better and better.

Very hopeful that Jack Clayton can show his best more consistently over the next year or two, he looks fantastic when he is at his best and gets through the first stage of his innings, bit of a nervous starter.

 

[BGman]

Nathan Mcsweeney will play for Australia

Since arriving in SA he seems to have a new lease of life, a different cricketer to the one dumped by your state. Be a good skipper too as he did captain the U19s from memory. Who is currently leading SA .

 

[toml]

Since arriving in SA he seems to have a new lease of life, a different cricketer to the one dumped by your state. Be a good skipper too as he did captain the U19s from memory. Who is currently leading SA .

To be fair, he was 18 or 19 when he played the 4 matches or so for Qld and he wasn't ready to play at that level. Between his last match for Qld and his first match for SA he has multiple seasons of Qld premier cricket where he averaged 70 plus with the bat and taking a lot of wickets too, including a Player of the Season award. He was always going to be good, just needed to play more Premier Cricket to prime himself. Glad he accepted SA's offer to head there, would have found it much more difficult to get regular shield matches if he stayed in Qld.

Jake Lehmann is SA captain, McSweeney is Vice-Captain.

 

[The Passenger]

That is most probably the secret to a good cricketer. A long apprenticeship. On the other hand, the Blues pair Edwards and Sangha virtually went directly into Shield from under19 white ball nationals with little Premier experience.

I had no problems with their swift elevations into the NSW team. They're supremely talented cricketers and I know Sangha had scored a lot of runs in first grade before his elevation - it definitely wasn't unearned. I can't recall Jack Edwards grade record before his elevation.

But they've continued to be rewarded with mediocre performances at state level and that's the problem. Edwards is finally looking like he might have turned a corner and put in some solid stuff this season (albeit more with the ball than his main skillset, batting) but Sangha has regressed even further.

Edwards has been in and out of the team a fair bit over the last 5 seasons but if Sangha has been dropped, it's not been for an extended period. I rate Sangha as an immense talent but we are very quickly running out of time to capitalise on it, and I've said multiple times on this forum we don't have the depth of young talent to have too many misses, especially when Pucovski is - sadly - never far away from an immediate retirement. At 24, Sangha is not that young anymore - he should have been sent to grade cricket for a year during the last 22/23 season, if not the 21/22 season. It might well have just been the kick up the ass he needs, but at the moment his mindset must be along the lines that scoring runs just does not matter because he's getting picked regardless.

 

[Yoda_]

next generation of white ball bowlers?

 

[toml]

I had no problems with their swift elevations into the NSW team. They're supremely talented cricketers and I know Sangha had scored a lot of runs in first grade before his elevation - it definitely wasn't unearned. I can't recall Jack Edwards grade record before his elevation.

But they've continued to be rewarded with mediocre performances at state level and that's the problem. Edwards is finally looking like he might have turned a corner and put in some solid stuff this season (albeit more with the ball than his main skillset, batting) but Sangha has regressed even further.

Edwards has been in and out of the team a fair bit over the last 5 seasons but if Sangha has been dropped, it's not been for an extended period. I rate Sangha as an immense talent but we are very quickly running out of time to capitalise on it, and I've said multiple times on this forum we don't have the depth of young talent to have too many misses, especially when Pucovski is - sadly - never far away from an immediate retirement. At 24, Sangha is not that young anymore - he should have been sent to grade cricket for a year during the last 22/23 season, if not the 21/22 season. It might well have just been the kick up the ass he needs, but at the moment his mindset must be along the lines that scoring runs just does not matter because he's getting picked regardless.

Edwards had never scored a 100 at any level of grade cricket prior to NSW debut if my memory is serving me correctly.

 

[eth-dog]

next generation of white ball bowlers?

Spencer Johnson, Jhye Richardson, Murphy are the stand outs for me.

 

[Yoda_]

Spencer Johnson, Jhye Richardson, Murphy are the stand outs for me.

both sneakily 27 already. Will be 30 by the time the front 30 are done.

Who's next ?

 

[corbies]

both sneakily 27 already. Will be 30 by the time the front 30 are done.

Who's next ?

30 is your prime as a cricketer. People look way too young when it comes to cricket.

Although given this is the Next Generation thread you're probably looking at Tanveer Sangha, Will Sutherland, Lance Morris. Anyone younger than that is probably atleast 4 years from being international cricketers (which won't really exist by then anyway).