Next to debut?

[chinggis77]

Peel are a joke. Surely Harvs and Co take this into account when assessing the guys playing there. 20 possessions for Peel is like 30 possessions for any other team as there are no easy possessions for Peel, you have to go and get the ball yourself all the time.

I'd like to see Mellington come in.

 

[prattsta]

Have to disagree with you Prattsa. Michie was good against West Perth. He was one of Peel's leading possession winners in the first half and his disposals were clean.

I'm not talking about the West Perth game, I'm talking about all his games for Peel. He's just not a very good clearance player at the moment. Peel win even less clearances when Michie is involved, than they do when he isn't involved. Not only that, but the clearances they do win, aren't won as easily. Yes, he may get there - I really hope he does get there - but he's not there yet.

I'm not bagging the kid. All I'm saying, and all I've ever been saying, is that it will be hard for him to earn a game for Fremantle with the role he is playing at the moment. The Fremantle coaches want him to develop his game as an inside midfielder. That's all they really care about. Therefore when Michie displays clean hands around the ground and kicks goals it's no more relevant that Anthony kicking 6 goals in a game. Sure it'll make them happy, but they already know he can do that, they want him doing/developing more.

We've all talked a fair bit about player roles and tasks on this board lately and it's no different for players in the WAFL.

Crichton is a pretty good example. He was doing all the things Fremantle were asking of him, he was still maintaining all the things he worked on last year and he was still doing all the things he got drafted for. He maintained that level for 4-5 weeks and he earned a call up to the senior side.

Remember Schammer racking up 30 touches every game last season in the WAFL? How did that impact on his career game tally at Fremantle?

His 2nd half was average, but so were the whole teams.

This is separate to the Michie discussion, but I never understand this sort of comment. The entire team being poor doesn't make an individuals effort more or less relevant.

"It's okay that he was no good, because everyone else was f'n ordinary as well..."

If all those individuals played better, then the team would play better.

 

[prattsta]

Michie's only played 1 game in & under in the clearances Prattsta, Lloyd said it himself in his weekly wrap up the other week that he looked good when thrown up in the clearances occasionally so they'd try and push him into the midfield in the coming weeks.

That's not correct; Lloyd is not being entirely honest with some of his weekly wrap up comments either.

He's been one of their shining lights this year.

He's a promising kid, but I'm not sure I'd go that far.

And besides, if he came into the freo lineup he wouldn't be playing the same role obviously, he'd be playing a similar role to Pitt as the outside player or across half-back or half-forward.

I've already said as much.

 

[Clay Davis]

Did Michie piss on you or something prattsta?

 

[prattsta]

Did Michie piss on you or something prattsta?

Huh? I'm not bagging the kid for f sake.

Nothing I've said has been unreasonable. He's a young kid developing part of his game which is currently not up to scratch. Given it's the Fremantle coaches who want him developing that part of his game, it's pretty freaking unlikely he's going to get a game before it develops.

 

[Nickos66]

What players are asked to work on & develop in the WAFL is in stark contrast to what is expected when playing an AFL game. He may be being asked to develop his inside game but rest assured, he won't be starting in side the centre square at the start of any quarters unless we have a sudden further diabolical run with injuries, you'd like to think anyway. It's not what he was recruited for, you don't recruit players on the merits of a particular role they play and then get them to learn something else and only have them do that other role.

 

[prattsta]

What players are asked to work on & develop in the WAFL is in stark contrast to what is expected when playing an AFL game. He may be being asked to develop his inside game but rest assured, he won't be starting in side the centre square at the start of any quarters unless we have a sudden further diabolical run with injuries, you'd like to think anyway. It's not what he was recruited for, you don't recruit players on the merits of a particular role they play and then get them to learn something else and only have them do that other role.

Cool, we're in agreement.

 

[TIME IS NOW]

Ok,

I've had time to think about a few things.

Jack Anthony gets a birth as a true lead up forward, essentially playing the role McPhee does now only not brilliantly.

McPhee can be released into a role he had last year as a midfield tagger, or in defense.

Who gets dropped? Well you'd have to look at Johnsons place in side.

If Pavlich is going to play midfield then Anthony can be a target and kick his 2-4 goals a game. I dont think McPhee is suited as forward, drops too many marks.

 

[Deep_Purple]

Ok,

I've had time to think about a few things.

Jack Anthony gets a birth as a true lead up forward, essentially playing the role McPhee does now only not brilliantly.

McPhee can be released into a role he had last year as a midfield tagger, or in defense.

Who gets dropped? Well you'd have to look at Johnsons place in side.

If Pavlich is going to play midfield then Anthony can be a target and kick his 2-4 goals a game. I dont think McPhee is suited as forward, drops too many marks.

Yes I agree with this, Mc Phee would be better as the sweeping 3rd tall defender than Jono and hopefully JA would be better as a forward than McPhee.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Ok,

I've had time to think about a few things.

Jack Anthony gets a birth as a true lead up forward, essentially playing the role McPhee does now only not brilliantly.

McPhee can be released into a role he had last year as a midfield tagger, or in defense.

Who gets dropped? Well you'd have to look at Johnsons place in side.

If Pavlich is going to play midfield then Anthony can be a target and kick his 2-4 goals a game. I dont think McPhee is suited as forward, drops too many marks.

yep, this is pretty much exactly how i see it. MJ can GTFO, jack to get his chance. must be galling for JA to be told that he needs to work more on his defensive game (which admittedly he did) and then watch an out and out bludger like johnson continually get a game.

people bag crowley about what his function was last week, calling for his head, well bob murphy who is a bloody good player had zero impact on the game last week, aside from his out on the full , that was purely because crowley stopped him, what did MJ do?

 

[Freo Dr]

Ok,

I've had time to think about a few things.

Jack Anthony gets a birth as a true lead up forward, essentially playing the role McPhee does now only not brilliantly.

McPhee can be released into a role he had last year as a midfield tagger, or in defense.

Who gets dropped? Well you'd have to look at Johnsons place in side.

If Pavlich is going to play midfield then Anthony can be a target and kick his 2-4 goals a game. I dont think McPhee is suited as forward, drops too many marks.

Based on Bulldogs game, at present I would move McPhee into the midfield as a tagger, leave JVB up into the forward line as a defensive forward in place of Crowley - 4 goals to him demands that we try that. Bring in JA as the key forward and drop Crowley. Crowley is not the fastest (wells and murphy caused him grief) and is struggling to hurt the opposition consistently when the chances come back the other way.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Based on Bulldogs game, at present I would move McPhee into the midfield as a tagger, leave JVB up into the forward line as a defensive forward in place of Crowley - 4 goals to him demands that we try that. Bring in JA as the key forward and drop Crowley. Crowley is not the fastest (wells and murphy caused him grief) and is struggling to hurt the opposition consistently when the chances come back the other way.

but crowley dominated robert murphy what did johnson do other than squib most contests, drop simple marks and overall stink up the place?

 

[Man of Men]

murphy got 20 touches, sure a lot of them had no impact but thats because murphy stuffed them up under no pressure whatsoever

 

[PapaJ]

Yes I agree with this, Mc Phee would be better as the sweeping 3rd tall defender than Jono and hopefully JA would be better as a forward than McPhee.

Nice in theory, but depending on McPhee as a defender has gone well not too often (ask any Essendon fan if you like). He can pinch hit, but not go back as full time option. So forget that, the Crowley option is more likely for mine.

murphy got 20 touches, sure a lot of them had no impact but thats because murphy stuffed them up under no pressure whatsoever

Spot on. I've defended Crowley often enough, but he was burnt badly by Murphy last week and it was only a rusty game from a normally reliable Murph which saved his bacon IMHO.

Harvs is not one to mess with winning formula too often, and Crowley has proved his worth over the long haul so he's not an automatic drop for mine, but he'd surely be in the sights if they wanted to get some scoring potential into the team.

BTW, our first game at the MCG may help Jack's cause too - I reckon he'd be next to debut.

 

[E Shed]

MJ had some nice creative plays and a couple of crucial touches in the last Q to get us back in front.

 

[DOCKERZ]

murphy got 20 touches, sure a lot of them had no impact but thats because murphy stuffed them up under no pressure whatsoever

Anyone know how many of those Murphy touches were from playing on after Freo kicked a behind?