Next year

[yuba]

A general thought about our list.

If we keep cox, get Krueger from Geelong as a very cheap pick. Why not do the following

1 - play 2 rucks - cox/Grundy. Grundy isn’t a great tap ruck but he is almost another onballer, so we have the tallest ruck and a gun ruck who plays all over the ground. Similar to Gawn and their second ruck.

2 - 3 talls - we play Cameron as a stay at home forward, Krueger as our second tall and checkers gets to play third tall. We finally have an athletic forward a big key forward and a mobile forward in checkers.

We now have plenty of talls and able to move them around dependent on injury or match ups. We have Elliot, Henry etc as small. We also have a few younger kids pushing to get into that side as talls for competition.

3 - get lipinski. We then have Adam’s, degoey and lipinski all in a good age bracket as inside mids with reef pushing for a spot, pendles and Sidebottom as the statesman and young guns in daicos x 2, poulter, McRae, etc.

4 - backline - I think this is set. Moore, Howe and hopefully Kelly to start pushing Roughead. Quaynor, crisp, Maynard etc. Lots of options.

All in all I think with a new game plan and hopefully the extra forward and inside mid with Krueger and lipinski we start looking much much more balanced.

 

[yuba]

Sorry to add to that. Cox will be finished in 1/2 years. By then Cameron becomes the second ruck/forward and we now have that next wave coming in. So we have Grundy and Cameron with Cameron as second ruck who has years of forward craft experience.

 

[Baird]

Too tall, remove Cox and it's ideal

 

[OniAu]

I cant see the need to retain Cox and get Kruger. One or the other.

We then have McMahon coming through as the project KPF

Cameron, Begg for Ruck back up. I feel like Grundy needs to be coached/trained better in his ruck work.

Still think we are one short KPD if Moore or Roughie goes down. Puts a heap of pressure on Kelly

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Still think we are one short KPD if Moore or Roughie goes down. Puts a heap of pressure on Kelly

Don’t think that’ll be a problem until he gets injured running through the banner.

 

[magpiemaniac44]

Really think at least one of WHE and Thomas should get moved on.

Our forward demographic looks like this
Talls: Mihocek, Cameron, Cox, Krueger*
Medium Sized: Elliott, Henry, WHE
Smalls: Ginnivan, McCreery, Thomas, Brown?

Thomas just takes up a spot for Ginnivan and McCreery, and WHE is behind both Elliott and Henry now. With mids resting forward as well like Sidebottom and de Goey I think either of WHE and Thomas can get moved on.

 

[yuba]

Too tall, remove Cox and it's ideal

Gawn and Jackson as 2m+ tall rucks and did ok in the GF with Brown up forward that’s 3 guys over 2m then they have Tom McDonald/ Bailey fritsch a big shorter

We have Cox, Grundy as ruck and Cameron over 2 metres then checkers and Krueger. Seems same same to me. We also have a bunch on talented small forwards to play around their feet in the wings to make up for the slower movement of the talls when ball hits ground.

 

[gouki88]

Gawn and Jackson as 2m+ tall rucks and did ok in the GF with Brown up forward that’s 3 guys over 2m then they have Tom McDonald/ Bailey fritsch a big shorter

We have Cox, Grundy as ruck and Cameron over 2 metres then checkers and Krueger. Seems same same to me. We also have a bunch on talented small forwards to play around their feet in the wings to make up for the slower movement of the talls when ball hits ground.

Are you suggesting we play Grundy, Cox, Cameron, Kreuger and Mihocek all at once?

 

[yuba]

Are you suggesting we play Grundy, Cox, Cameron, Kreuger and Mihocek all at once?

Yes but we play them to their strength. Grundy started as an amazing ruckman because he became another centre player after the hit out. He either lost his mojo or I think got bigger and slower and now doesn’t move as free. Get him mobile again as he can link up in handball chains and play around the ground as a mobile ruck. Cox or Cameron play second ruck. We then have Krueger as a mobile forward. Checkers is a third tall. I really don’t see the problem. Again what is different with Melbourne playing 2 ruckman and brown all over 2m and then 2 other talls in fritsch and Donaldson? Eagles played Kennedy/darling/vardy/Lycett. They did a good enough in 2018 GF. Cox covers the ground ok as a ruckman as does Grundy. We use that and have true forwards so we stop having a cox mark on the wing, turn and kick to checkers by himself. We bring dumbing players into the game by having multiple options.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

We then have McMahon coming through as the project KPF

We have McMahon but there’s no evidence of him coming through. Fingers crossed but not a given.

 

[yuba]

We have McMahon but there’s no evidence of him coming through. Fingers crossed but not a given.

Yeah exactly. Is he comes on fantastic! He becomes the forward and Cameron takes over cox as the second ruck with Grundy. Now we have the mobile Grundy and Cameron with years of forward experience to play ruck/testing forward. We don’t know what will come of the next crop of talls but for next year. Play them all and I think you’ll see Grundy do so much better as the mobile ruck. Cox so much better as a main ruck as you clunks Mark’s around the ground so well. Then our mids can kick to multiple options. 1 is a big forward in Cameron both checkers and Krueger move fine. We then get so much ball to ground for the new batch of smalls. That system can work for me. Especially as with rotations you have cox forward while Cameron is off. CMeron in the ruck while Grundy rests etc.

 

[manicpie]

Yes but we play them to their strength. Grundy started as an amazing ruckman because he became another centre player after the hit out. He either lost his mojo or I think got bigger and slower and now doesn’t move as free. Get him mobile again as he can link up in handball chains and play around the ground as a mobile ruck. Cox or Cameron play second ruck. We then have Krueger as a mobile forward. Checkers is a third tall. I really don’t see the problem. Again what is different with Melbourne playing 2 ruckman and brown all over 2m and then 2 other talls in fritsch and Donaldson? Eagles played Kennedy/darling/vardy/Lycett. They did a good enough in 2018 GF. Cox covers the ground ok as a ruckman as does Grundy. We use that and have true forwards so we stop having a cox mark on the wing, turn and kick to checkers by himself. We bring dumbing players into the game by having multiple options.

Kennedy 196cm
Darling 191cm
Vardi 199cm
Lycett 200cm

The problem with your theory is that Kennedy and Darling are both natural forwards as is Brown. Grundy can't play forward and Cameron is still improving. Cox is just finished and we haven't even got Krueger yet who really is a hopeful more than anything

 

[Aussie pie]

I had this thought a while back that Cox plays #1 ruck and Grundy is played as a big bodied midfielder. Imagine that, I know it’s silly but sometimes Grundy really looks better in that mid role not taking the tap.
No I haven’t been drinking

 

[yuba]

Kennedy 196cm
Darling 191cm
Vardi 199cm
Lycett 200cm

The problem with your theory is that Kennedy and Darling are both natural forwards as is Brown. Grundy can't play forward and Cameron is still improving. Cox is just finished and we haven't even got Krueger yet who really is a hopeful more than anything

Kennedy 196cm - our Cameron - Melb. Brown (pies add krueager) (Melb. add fritsch)
Darling 191cm - our checkers - Melb. McDonald
Vardi 199cm - our Grundy -Melb. Jackson
Lycett 200cm - our cox - Melb. gawn

I’m not saying this is the GF team and I do think cox might be cooked, we also don’t know how Cameron will come on as a forward or as you say if this Krueger might be a talent or a bust. This is why you have development players pushing for selection. I’m saying next year. Not next flag. We run all of them next year find out what works/doesn’t with the new coach amd game style. I just think that mix let’s them all play their best role and give our small more crumbing options instead of cox/Cameron marking on a wing and kicking into checkers. It’s no taller than other side is my point. Try it, see what works and if it’s not working, McMahon comes or we try 1 ruck but we need to find out with the new coach what will work

 

[themulletking]

I had this thought a while back that Cox plays #1 ruck and Grundy is played as a big bodied midfielder. Imagine that, I know it’s silly but sometimes Grundy really looks better in that mid role not taking the tap.
No I haven’t been drinking

I have been thinking about this quite a bit myself .. I’m thinking at least maybe part time? Roughead style. And I would love to see what he could do as a forward, I was under the impression he was decent at this around his draft year.

 

[Aussie pie]

I have been thinking about this quite a bit myself .. I’m thinking at least maybe part time? Roughead style. And I would love to see what he could do as a forward, I was under the impression he was decent at this around his draft year.

Yes, I forgot about Roughead and how he did it for the hawks. It would be an interesting switch up mid game to mess with the opposition.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I had this thought a while back that Cox plays #1 ruck and Grundy is played as a big bodied midfielder. Imagine that, I know it’s silly but sometimes Grundy really looks better in that mid role not taking the tap.
No I haven’t been drinking

How quickly we forget that Cox could not get a game for most of the year and didn't even make much of an impression at VFL level. Yet in the off season, he is suddenly good enough at 31 to take over the main rucking role while Grundy lumbers around as a midfielder.

 

[Seedsfan]

Gawn and Jackson as 2m+ tall rucks and did ok in the GF with Brown up forward that’s 3 guys over 2m then they have Tom McDonald/ Bailey fritsch a big shorter

We have Cox, Grundy as ruck and Cameron over 2 metres then checkers and Krueger. Seems same same to me. We also have a bunch on talented small forwards to play around their feet in the wings to make up for the slower movement of the talls when ball hits ground.

Jackson’s athleticism is far superior to Cox or Cameron that’s why it works

 

[yuba]

Jackson’s athleticism is far superior to Cox or Cameron that’s why it works

No shit Sherlock. That’s why I’m suggesting Grundy plays the Jackson role. Cox as main ruck and Cameron as a forward. So we have the tallest ruck in the Comp who is able to mark around the ground, Grundy is our mobile second ruck and Cameron just tries to clunk Mark’s staying inside that’s 50 with Krueger and miocheck being the mobile forwards.

 

[Seedsfan]

No sh*t Sherlock. That’s why I’m suggesting Grundy plays the Jackson role. Cox as main ruck and Cameron as a forward. So we have the tallest ruck in the Comp who is able to mark around the ground, Grundy is our mobile second ruck and Cameron just tries to clunk Mark’s staying inside that’s 50 with Krueger and miocheck being the mobile forwards.

Lol Cox has never worked in the ruck why play him there when we have a dual AA ruckman?

 

[Civilest]

Does everyone think with the new coaching staff we now have a clean slate as to which players might get moved on? Obviously they want N Daicos and have to operate within financial constraints of existing contracts. But I would have thought players who might have had their papers stamped under Bucks will now get a fresh look. Who do you think would be out the door regardless of new coaches?

 

[yuba]

Lol Cox has never worked in the ruck why play him there when we have a dual AA ruckman?

Cox does work in the ruck. He is a good tap ruckman and is able to mark around the ground better than he can as a forward. When you play Grundy as the second ruck I’m not saying he spends all day on the bench. He still plays huge game time, he just uses his skills as a mobile tall player. We have both Grundy/cox roaming around the ground. Gawn/Jackson style. I do t see why it’s so impossible for people? Melbourne had both rucks. When Jackson was doing well in the ruck, Gawn was a target up forward or an extra defender etc. Why can’t we have cox/grundy do the same? Grundy is super mobile and cox while not as mobile has a good tank on him to cover the ground.

 

[Seedsfan]

Cox does work in the ruck. He is a good tap ruckman and is able to mark around the ground better than he can as a forward. When you play Grundy as the second ruck I’m not saying he spends all day on the bench. He still plays huge game time, he just uses his skills as a mobile tall player. We have both Grundy/cox roaming around the ground. Gawn/Jackson style. I do t see why it’s so impossible for people? Melbourne had both rucks. When Jackson was doing well in the ruck, Gawn was a target up forward or an extra defender etc. Why can’t we have cox/grundy do the same? Grundy is super mobile and cox while not as mobile has a good tank on him to cover the ground.

No he is useless in the ruck that’s why we are so reluctant to put him in there

Keep Grundy as the first ruck as he is our best ruckman

 

[yuba]

No he is useless in the ruck that’s why we are so reluctant to put him in there

Keep Grundy as the first ruck as he is our best ruckman

Ok so while every other decent side is playing with get talls we will continue to use 1 ruck and have our other forward pinch hit so checkers can try and mark against 3 players. Melbourne just won with 2 rucks. Richmond had lynch and Riewoldt as 2 key targets but again, we will be fine with checkers and Cameron can play the second ruck/forward roll. West coast in 2018 looked good with Kennedy and darling as 2 stay at home forwards. Lycett and vardy as 2 ruckman then did a good job… but no, let’s have Grundy go 1 v 2 and get occasional help from Cameron as our forward/ruck.

How many years do we go back? In 2010 we have Dawes and Cloke. 2 key forwards and jolly/Leigh brown as the rucks.

Cox/Grundy as rucks, Cameron/Krueger as forwards with checkers finally able to play loose as the Third tall.

 

[Seedsfan]

Ok so while every other decent side is playing with get talls we will continue to use 1 ruck and have our other forward pinch hit so checkers can try and mark against 3 players. Melbourne just won with 2 rucks. Richmond had lynch and Riewoldt as 2 key targets but again, we will be fine with checkers and Cameron can play the second ruck/forward roll. West coast in 2018 looked good with Kennedy and darling as 2 stay at home forwards. Lycett and vardy as 2 ruckman then did a good job… but no, let’s have Grundy go 1 v 2 and get occasional help from Cameron as our forward/ruck.

How many years do we go back? In 2010 we have Dawes and Cloke. 2 key forwards and jolly/Leigh brown as the rucks.

Cox/Grundy as rucks, Cameron/Krueger as forwards with checkers finally able to play loose as the Third tall.

If Cox is the answer I don’t what to know the question. He won’t be at the club next year

Three tall forwards and two ruckman is way to top heavy