Next Years Big Problem

[aussieviking]

Our biggest problem for next year is that we have a coach that is in the last year of his contract.

We should continue to develop the young players and ideally trade Tarrant and Hase if we can get the right deals.

The problem is that none of this is likely to happen when your coach is fighting to keep his job........short term interests take over.He needs to keep his job. Harvey is in a no win position.

The club should extend his contract as soon as possible if he is seen as the right man for the job.If he is not seen as the right person then others in the club must ensure that Harvey keeps to the plan and doesnt vary because of his own interests.

It is a difficult situation all round.Personally I would like another 1 year extension to Harvey's contract ASAP. This would ensure 1 more year of development then in 2011 Harvey is fighting to retain his position as I would expect final 8 or out(for Harvey) by 2011.

 

[Reveler]

Give him another 2 years.

The biggest issue is to getting all these players showing glimpses of potential to turn that into a season of good games. No freo Coach has for that.

 

[Freo Blood]

A good observation. Even this season just gone there was pressure mounting by round 4. The media is going to keep the pressure on if there are not results.

In my opinion they should extend now for an extra year, he has shown enough and taken the required action punt by chopping the list as was needed. No other coach did that. Cuddles and Schwab talked about the journey but in hindsight they just went the quick fix to keep their jobs.

 

[aussieviking]

I agree we should extend his contract by one year ASAP. The pressure will build very quickly next year if he is coming out of contract.

If he is not the best option they should replace him now.

The pressure that will build next year if we struggle(which is likely whoever coaches) gains a momentum in the media and then things start to be done to save coaching jobs rather than develop the clubs future.

 

[The Night Shift]

Thats a very good point you make Aussieviking. Offering him a 1 year extention does cover Freo'. Next season will most likely get a bit messy as our team refit continues...

 

[DeanS]

Harvey has shown great courage instigating last year's and (probably) this years clean-outs. I don't think a contract expiring will stop him doing what he thinks is right for Freo.

Having said that, if he is offered an extension all well and good. I am just saying it won't cause him to deviate from his vision of rebuilding.

 

[4n20]

Harvey has shown great courage instigating last year's and (probably) this years clean-outs. I don't think a contract expiring will stop him doing what he thinks is right for Freo.

Having said that, if he is offered an extension all well and good. I am just saying it won't cause him to deviate from his vision of rebuilding.

yep, and he has stated recently he doesnt care about himself...he cares about the Fremantle FC and is focussed on the direction the club is going. Whether he means it or not, it was a good thing to hear.

 

[anchor man]

Our biggest problem for next year is that we have a coach that is in the last year of his contract.

We should continue to develop the young players and ideally trade Tarrant and Hase if we can get the right deals.

The problem is that none of this is likely to happen when your coach is fighting to keep his job........short term interests take over.He needs to keep his job. Harvey is in a no win position.

The club should extend his contract as soon as possible if he is seen as the right man for the job.If he is not seen as the right person then others in the club must ensure that Harvey keeps to the plan and doesnt vary because of his own interests.

It is a difficult situation all round.Personally I would like another 1 year extension to Harvey's contract ASAP. This would ensure 1 more year of development then in 2011 Harvey is fighting to retain his position as I would expect final 8 or out(for Harvey) by 2011.

Is this that you are talking about,not the same scenario that the supporters went butchers about when they extended CC contract?
I agree that Harvey should have an extension,but why now.He is under contract until the end of next year.Let wait and see.
We are going ok with him,but lets wait and see.

 

[Sman-21]

I agree he will be starting to look after his own position instead of trying to keep building the team.

That is why he sounded so convincing that tarrant and Drum will not be going anywhere.

Because he knows without Taz down back we could really struggle and if mcpharlins not working there is no real backup.
So to lose such a KPP will really effect the teams chances and his of securing his job.

Trouble is im atill not convinced he is right for the job
I think he is but i still cant tell will only know at end of next season if we have improved enough.

I think its best we trade Taz hes made it pretty clear he is just going to play out his contract an highly unlikely to renew it.
He has very good trade value right now whereas next year he is gone no matter what so trade value wont be as high.

Only way Harvey could make that trade is if he knew his job was secure.

 

[SupersonicDocker]

I agree he will be starting to look after his own position instead of trying to keep building the team.

That is why he sounded so convincing that tarrant and Drum will not be going anywhere.

Because he knows without Taz down back we could really struggle and if mcpharlins not working there is no real backup.
So to lose such a KPP will really effect the teams chances and his of securing his job.

Trouble is im atill not convinced he is right for the job
I think he is but i still cant tell will only know at end of next season if we have improved enough.

I think its best we trade Taz hes made it pretty clear he is just going to play out his contract an highly unlikely to renew it.
He has very good trade value right now whereas next year he is gone no matter what so trade value wont be as high.

Only way Harvey could make that trade is if he knew his job was secure.

Every coach says that when players announce they want to be traded or want to go home. Its the first step to pumping up their value.

Worsfold said the same thing about Staker...

 

[theGav56]

He simply has not done enough for a contract extension, and clearly has some significant weaknesses. Why not give him 6 months to show how they have been remedied before reviewing him.

 

[theGav56]

Only way Harvey could make that trade is if he knew his job was secure.

You'd have to have a pretty limited view of what a coach does if that was the case. Making a good trade which is in the best interests of the club could be exactly the thing that the club needs to see from him. Certainly better than statements like a contract is a contract so we won't be trading (especially after he had just signed Murphy and Thornton on for 2 years).

 

[sabre_ac]

By what Milestones should Harvey be measured?

Our list is still in shambles due to the Schwab/Conolly era...We will finish bottom 4 next year.

So what exactly will say that he does or doesnt deserve to be around long term?

So far he seems to be getting the most out of "his" kids..Players he has been coach while drafted.

Can we really blame him if Conolly's kids arn't stepping up?

To be honest considering the quality we got rid of last year, I think his season has been as good as we could have expected. Losing Palmer crippled us but the stars continue to shine and the kids are coming along nicely.

With another cleanout expected, we are going to finish down the bottom again...Surely he deserves another two years after spending 2 years cleaning up Conolly/Schwab's mess.

 

[Moo]

I'd be over the moon if they extended him for 2 more years.

Look he is either the right coach and he will need this time to start to show improvement in the squad ...if we have another year of 5 wins next season I for one certainly will not be shocked.

or

He is not the right coach, however he is building one hell of a platform moving forward.

He is making far more right calls than wrong ones - he is the first coach who is actually going to go to the draft time and time again. Duffield has bounded along, the kids are being (i) drafted and (ii) played.

The team we have assembled is drafting talented footballers, if Harves goes after 2012 because he can not use the list to its potential then bring in the experienced finisher - who will at least inherit a midfield that is competitive for the first time in the clubs history.

I was pissed off when CC got his extension as it reeked of protectionism, if Harvey got it - I would not worry as the path he is going down is the right one regardless of who is at the helm in 2 years time.

On the downside, The West journos will have a huge hole ripped in their 'Summa for Coach' May - June 2010 Football Special.

 

[theGav56]

By what Milestones should Harvey be measured?

Our list is still in shambles due to the Schwab/Conolly era...We will finish bottom 4 next year.

So what exactly will say that he does or doesnt deserve to be around long term?

So far he seems to be getting the most out of "his" kids..Players he has been coach while drafted.

Can we really blame him if Conolly's kids arn't stepping up?

To be honest considering the quality we got rid of last year, I think his season has been as good as we could have expected. Losing Palmer crippled us but the stars continue to shine and the kids are coming along nicely.

With another cleanout expected, we are going to finish down the bottom again...Surely he deserves another two years after spending 2 years cleaning up Conolly/Schwab's mess.

He does need to be distanced from "Connolly's kids" but at the same time he chose the team as the one he wanted to coach, and saw them as finals contenders, so he definitely needs to show better judgement in terms of list appraisal. He has done that to an extent, but if he, for example, knocked back a decent trade for Tarrant then for me that would still be a question mark over him. He has been pretty slow to get a good team around him, including passing the blame for his first season to the fitness guru (why didn't he get rid of him, or hadn't he noticed in his 2 years as assistant what the guy could do?), then stuffing up by adopting Mitchell with the wrong game plan in tow. Now Smart has gone, which I assume is part of Harvey's vision, but Smart has been the same since Harvey was an assistant. On the player management level we have seen 2 yr deals to players who did not deserve or require them, plus he wanted J Carr to sign up on a 2yr gig.

All of these things show questionable judgement to me. Add into that the number of players on the list who have clearly gone backwards and an ordinary gameday coaching (and win/loss) record and there seems no actual reason for re-signing him. If you rated the current AFL coaches he is, like the team, a cellar dweller.

 

[FarmersWife]

Richmond gave Wallace 5 years, but he still put himself first.

lol, but Mark Harvey is much different. Give him two years.

 

[Rob]

The OP makes a completely valid point. I dunno about an additional 2 years, but a 1 year extension until the end of 2011 seems appropriate. I would expect that the 2011 season we would expect to see some sort of return on the investment. If there isn't any, then i'd start to wonder whether Harvey is the right man for the job.

 

[DCFCFAN84]

Extend his contract till the end of 2011 so he has job security and then hopefully he tries to trade Taz while he still has value. Where not going to win a premiereship in the next couple years while Tarrant is playing why not trade him to a team in there premiereship window. We could probably get a second rounder (we picked Suban up in the second last year) wouldn't it be better to get a player that could potentially play 200+ games and be part of our premiereship run rather then keep Taz witch maybe would win us couple more games next season? but wouldn't benifit us att all towards the future.

 

[Sman-21]

Its in the clubs best interest to trade him and its in harveys best interest to keep him.

Even if its taz an drum for a 1st round pick we need to take it.
If we had of done the melb an carlton trick we would of got an extra top 20 pick without having to do any trades but now we have to trade for it.
So now we need to follow the hawthorn way trade valuable players for extra draft pcks.
short term pain for long term gain.

Add the fact that even if taz stays here an wins all austrailian full back next year he is still leaving shows why we have to make the decision.

 

[wehavethepassion]

Our biggest problem is having a quality 22 on the park each week.

 

[dominguez]

He simply has not done enough for a contract extension, and clearly has some significant weaknesses. Why not give him 6 months to show how they have been remedied before reviewing him.

Spot on Gav. It would be ridiculous for Harvey to coach close to 100 games before they decide he's not up to it.

Wins/losses shouldn't necessarily be the deciding factor but we need to show improvement next season for Harvey to warrant a contract for 2011.

 

[The Purple Jesus]

Excellent original post AussieViking. I agree with everything you said. A couple of points though:
1. It seems as though the club is right behind him and barring a disastrous year in 2010 (which could happen) he will get another year or 2 but obviously things change quickly in footy so he needs reults. This year he was right under the pump from about round 3 or 4. So regardless of how much faith the club has in him the media will be right into him if we start badly next year
2. The fact he took a year to realise that we needed to off load older players and go with youth could mean down the track that this is what ultimately kills him and costs him his job. Keeping all the older guys like Carrs x2, Bell, Black, McManus, Parker etc etc and bringing in Mark Johnson. If he had gone with the youth from HIS first full year we would probably be slightly advanced on where we are now and better placed for a crack at the top 8 next year
Trading Tarrant makes a lot of sense right now for the clubs future but probably isnt in Harveys best interests so will be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of months

 

[dominguez]

If Harvey rejects a decent trade for Tarrant then he and Grover retire in 12 months time Harvey's gonna cop even more grief when we're leaking goals in 2011.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

If Harvey rejects a decent trade for Tarrant then he and Grover retire in 12 months time Harvey's gonna cop even more grief when we're leaking goals in 2011.

yeah, which is exactly the reason why he will trade tarrant if a semi decent offer is made. what freo need is for lake to sign up asap, the next best backman on the market will be taz, with 4 clubs haggling for him, we should get a decent deal for him.

harvey has shown so far to be fairly selfless, this is best seen by the lack of unneccesary trading and the blooding of the youth. im confident he will do a good job for us in the coming years

 

[4n20]

If Harvey rejects a decent trade for Tarrant then he and Grover retire in 12 months time Harvey's gonna cop even more grief when we're leaking goals in 2011.

Would it be totally up to Harvey though.??

I would be really pissed off if Bond and Rosich just sat back and watched that scenario get played out.