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Originally posted by Russian
What would u pick if these were the 2 options on the table:
Pick 6+13 from Essendon
Pick 3+20 from Melbourne

What if Melbourne only offered 5+20?

How much r Guerra/Morgan worth - could they be used to get 3 instead of 5 from Melbourne?
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Depends. On the balance of probabilities, I'd take Essendon's deal. It would give Port #13 or #15 to swing another trade and generally comments from recruiting people this year suggests there won't be much difference between what you get with #3 or #6. Politics and needs could play a role like they did with Salopek falling thru to #6 last year. I think it's fair to say if Carlton had kept picks #1 and #2 last year, Salo would've gone top 3.

I'm with Mic59 on Guerra/Morgan - they won't shift a deal from #5 to #3. IIRC Porthos has said Guerra is too valuable a trade on his own, and I'd agree with that. Indications are he'll be packaged up in a Motlop deal .. but this is trade week .. so expect the unexpected ... ;)
 
In my opinion, from Port's point of view, there isn't much difference between #3 and #5 - the top 5 or 6 are meant to be fairly hard to split, and after Cooney they're all non-locals anyway.

In a choice between #3 & #20 from Melbourne, or #6 and #13 from Essendon, I'd go for #5 and Bell or Smith from Melbourne ;)
 
Originally posted by Porthos
In my opinion, from Port's point of view, there isn't much difference between #3 and #5 - the top 5 or 6 are meant to be fairly hard to split, and after Cooney they're all non-locals anyway.

In a choice between #3 & #20 from Melbourne, or #6 and #13 from Essendon, I'd go for #5 and Bell or Smith from Melbourne ;)
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The draft pick is the crux. If you take the position that #2-#6 will net you a similarly talented player, then you can afford to concede some ground on the early pick to gain ground on the second part of the deal. So Carlton could offer say #2 and Campo, but you could go with #5 and Bell or Smith from Melbourne (who would have to up the ante on part 2 of the deal to match Carlton's part 1) and likely come out in front. Then that gets balanced up against Port maybe wanting to use a first round pick themselves for a trade ... do they give up #15 and have #5 only or do they go the trade for Stevens that leaves them two 1st round draft picks if they have to trade one?
 

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Originally posted by Russian
Keep the draft picks unless we can get Mal Michael
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Mal Michael would be no use to Port. He's a highly paid, one position player who's as easily chopped up on the lead as Wakelin. And we already have him.
 
Looking at the 'Tiser today, Michelangelo Rucci seems to think that Port may be forced into the position of having to settle for the 'woods first round draft pick for Stevens. I suppose this would be possible, if Carlton could be assured of getting him in the pre-season draft. Only thing is this scenario is only valid if, as he seems to think, Carlton and Collingwood are the only players for Stevens. Some have dropped out but there are still sufficient to make a good ol' bunfight. Although don't forget we got Byron Pickett for next to nothing.
 
I'm convinced Rucci makes stuff up to fill print space. On Sunday he was saying no one knew what was going on, a few hours later he's writing an article sending Nick to Collingwood for next to nothing based on knowing something. Yet on the same day another News Ltd publication (Herald Sun) quoted Max Stevens as saying Nick wanted to do the right thing by Port and there were 7 clubs lining up for his services ... believe nothing at this time of the year until the deal is done.
 
It wouldn't be Rucci if it didn't look like Port could get screwed.
 
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I dunno about you, but this is a pretty depressing photo.
 
Does this add anything? Probably not!


Stevens decision edges closer
12:33:30 PM Tue 14 October, 2003
Matt Burgan
afl.com.au
An announcement on the playing future of former Port Adelaide star Nick Stevens is still up in the air, although a decision on which club he will play for in 2004 and beyond could be known as early as Wednesday night.

The 23 year-old has been linked to Carlton, Collingwood and Melbourne, but the Blues and the Magpies are reportedly the two most likely to snare the brilliant young midfielder.

Carlton recruiting manager Shane O’Sullivan indicated that obtaining the services of Stevens was still very much in the balance at this stage.

“We haven’t got anywhere today, so we’ll just keep moving along and see what happens,” O’Sullivan told afl.com.au on Tuesday, when asked about the prospects of recruiting Stevens to Optus Oval.

Reports published Tuesday suggested that the Blues would be prepared to offer their priority pick - no.2 overall - for Stevens which would put them at a distinct advantage over Collingwood, given Port's declaration that it wants early draft picks.

Stevens played 127 matches – including 23 games this year – with Port Adelaide from 1998-03.
 

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beffrey, the teal socks were the coolest thing port had going for them.
i was very sad when they went.
 
Max Stevens was on the radio a few minutes ago and said Port had asked the Pies for Didak and Pick 17 in return for Stevens. I can't believe they'd want to go for that. Surely they'd be wanting a higher pick than 17. Collingwood aren't going for it, they want to keep Didak.

He also said that a lot of the other trades eg. Guerra won't be sorted out until after the big 3 Stevens, Rawlings and Brown have been sorted out, which looks like taking a while and as a result, some of the smaller trades might not be filed in time.
 
No real surprise there. Time to stop ****ing about with Collingwood and look elsewhere, I'd reckon.
 
Stuff this crap. If #2 is on the table, ring Carlton tonight and take it - if they want to throw in a player all well and good. Then draft a hard running midfielder. Colin Sylvia sounds good. Don't **** around with Collingwood any more trying to get into some game of brinkmanship.
 

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Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Stuff this crap. If #2 is on the table, ring Carlton tonight and take it - if they want to throw in a player all well and good. Then draft a hard running midfielder. Colin Sylvia sounds good. Don't **** around with Collingwood any more trying to get into some game of brinkmanship.
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If we are getting pick 2 then id prefer us to draft the most talented tall player in the draft, opposed to a midfielder. I think our young midfield stocks like healthy with K Cornes, Cassisi, Hall, Ebert, Salopek. Adding another top notch young midfielder in my view will just end up with a couple more players leaving for more oppurtunities.
 
Originally posted by Macca19
If we are getting pick 2 then id prefer us to draft the most talented tall player in the draft, opposed to a midfielder. I think our young midfield stocks like healthy with K Cornes, Cassisi, Hall, Ebert, Salopek. Adding another top notch young midfielder in my view will just end up with a couple more players leaving for more oppurtunities.
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I was going on what Alan Stewart said last night - Choco wants a HRM to replace Stevens - Stewart seemed to suggest that was better found thru the draft.

I'm no expert on the young talent available in the draft - I'll take it under advisement.
 
A second day and nothing finalised. Not that that's odd. Some of the things mentioned have been though. Ch 7 said Collingwood are putting together a package with Prestigiacomo. I thought he'd re-signed and couldn't be traded? Ch 9 said Carlton are offering #2 and Beaumont. If that's right I'd leap at it before they change their minds. The #2 pick alone would be acceptable but with a good middle-size player like Beaumont: he's nearly exactly the size and weight of Cochrane but experienced and an occasional goalscorer. Only problem, he's 28 in December. I'd sooner we could get a younger player but I doubt if they'd want to offload anyone younger, they're a pretty ancient bunch.
 
Sylvia and Dunn (after Cooney) would be the most game ready. Tenace is rated as a #2, but I suspect he's another Johnstone.
 
If Carlton have #2 and Beaumont on the table, all we need to do is find someone else who wants Beaumont and/or #2 and see what we can do.
 
I think Collingwood would be tempted by pick #17 and Didak for Stevens but would be snubbing it off until later in the week trying to get a cheaper buy as they know Port want to get a draft pick and a quality player or two early picks not just an early pick and a player like Beaumont who is going to struggle to make our 22.
Collingwood want Stevens badly, they rate him very high. The last few years they have tried to poach him when under contract, Neil Balme has even said Collingwoods sole intention in this trade period was to get Nick Stevens and whatever it takes is what it takes. I'd like to see him go to Carlton and play out his days with Barnaby, at least we know at Carlton they aren't going to be a threat to us.
I like Nick Stevens, I was a bit dirty he went but I felt similar about Francis and French.
Also Nick would be a little hesitant about the Pre-season draft as nowadays a lot of players don't get signed up until after trading time and with the pressure of the salary cap it is very easy for a player to go into the pre-season draft and then the clubs realising they haven't got the room to pay that players demands and Nick knows he may lose a 100k a year opting for the pre-season draft. A couple of examples are players like Jeff White, melbourne broke the salary cap that year, Fremantle couldn't sign Francis in 2002 as they would of went over, a player who goes into the pre-season draft commanding 500k a year could be football less for a year. No team besides the Bulldogs is going to leave their salary 500k short in the event of thinking they have the chance of picking Stevens up when he could be traded in the final hours of trade week and Carlton will not rely on the pre-season draft knowing a club like the Bulldogs have a pick before them. If it was a Paxman or a Kingsley the club may take that risk as 180k a year is only 3 to 4% of the cap and can squeeze it in when they only have a few fringe contracts to negotiate but when it is 500k a huge 9% of the cap and a club can pay between 92.5% and 100% of the cap it is hard to squeeze in. Freo had trouble last year with only around 5%. It is rare for a club with a fully signed list to enter a pre-season draft with only a 90% full salary cap, The Bulldogs know that they could pick him up in the draft if he agrees or not, but Carlton know they can get him by offering him more money but sacrificing a good pick. The Bulldogs won't leave their cap 10% short in the knowledge that he may be traded before the draft but Carlton would be too scared to leave the risk of being 10% short in the event of the Bulldogs opting to take him knowing he will be the best selection in the pre-season draft, both clubs are in a no-win situation against Port and the only way they could come out better is that if the final day of trade was a flop, both Brown and Stevens aren't traded and enter the draft leaving the Bulldogs and Carlton with Caproom for Carlton to get Brown and the Doggies get Stevens and Port get nothing, even Rawlings and Solomon could end up their yet but it is highly unlikely for this scenario.
 

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