Resource Non-AFL General Chat

[BigRang]

Call me whatever makes you feel smart champ. I've been IQ tested, I know what I'm working with.

I agree that social media is largely a negative influence (on everyone, not just kids). It does however have benefits, so I disagree with blanket bans.

It is a bad law, it will harm children. It may prevent some harm as well, but it will probably force kids onto unregulated platforms thus increasing the harm it was supposed to minimise. It is unenforceable as it stands as you can get around it with a tech savvy friend or a sympathetic relative.

Albo has spent the last couple of days being taunted by u16s on his socials, and he's still stupid enough to crow about his rollout in front of the media.

Yeah look maybe I worded it poorly i probably should have said it's a dimwitted opinion, and not called you a dimwit.
FWIW I too know what I'm working with champ, and if you can't see the damage that social media does to the vast majority of children from the numerous studies that have been conducted then you might want to get those things on the front of your head tested as well as your IQ.
I've been following this thread for a while now and trying to keeping my trap shut.
But I'm also a parent to a child with diagnoses similar to yours, and FWIW social media has been about as helpful to him as **** on a bull.
We did not use a tablet as a pacifier.
We have 3 other children that we have flat out denied a phone until they are 15 after we saw what it was doing to our son and difference in their mental health is obvious.
Although, everyone is different and deal with things in different ways.
Social media and tech in general has got him by the balls.
He too struggles with social settings but the tech doesn't help him with that it allows him to shut himself off from the real world. By living their lives from behind a screen and through social media they don't learn to cope with what the real world throws at them and build any resilience.
For us the ban gives us a leg to stand on with trying to get him out of the house and into the world with the rest of us so he might have some hope of getting a job and being self sufficient one day.
If you want to PM me and we can discuss the pros and cons of the ban and dealing with a neurodivergent child at the same time feel free, at the end of the day your opinion is yours and mine is mine. I doubt anything will change that but we might learn something from seeing it from someone else's point of view.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Why tar the rest of the Silvagni family though? I find that ridiculous.

Stephen coming out and still playing the victim in spite of the court's ruling could be seen as lacking a bit of class and respect.

 

[malpaso]

Stephen coming out and still playing the victim in spite of the court's ruling could be seen as lacking a bit of class and respect.

He's just had his son convicted of rape ffs and he's understandably upset about it amongst a lot of other feelings. But you go ahead and get your knickers in a twist. I don't think you or any of us can fully comprehend what that would be like as a parent..

 

[Knees of Ben Allan]

Saw the Orioles a bit and the stadium is a beauty. Never liked the owner though and the way he fought to prevent DC getting their team back. Still have a couple of Orioles caps though, with that subversive critter.

Yeah, been some fan frustration at Baltimore over some of the decision making. Sounds familiar! The Pirates Stadium, also looks great with the open design, fringed by the city’s underrated skyline. Slight pivot, but cogent to the resistance to the Nationals and Oakland/Las Vegas shenanigans, the whole franchise flexibility within American sports would do my head in.

Hypothetically, the powers that be at Cockburn, after a few lean years and issues with the training facility/Perth Stadium, decide that there was a better future for the “franchise” by moving to…I don’t know…let’s say Parramatta (given the populace, circa Gil levels of AFL assistance in an arms race with NRL, in-situ with generous assurances from Government at the State level). Who do you go for? Do you go for Parramatta Dockers? Do you follow another team or give up on AFL altogether?

I was talking at length to my partner about the whole Cleveland Browns thing (Eyes glazing over, mind you. Bless her. If it ain’t Dockers, she ain’t interested). Cleveland moving to Baltimore and then another team being created to become Cleveland. It’s a dazzling conundrum.

If you’re a Sonics fan watching the Thunder win it last year, Do you make like a Fitzroy fan and Bradbury up the Brisbane glory? Or do you turn your back on the finals telecast, wear your Shawn Kemp throwback and turn up The Screaming Trees, whilst downing many microbrews (or smack, to be inclusive).

Department of Old Man Yelling at Clouds: I guess this is why I can’t get on the Scorchers. Aside from being a test guy, at best, but they are the embodiment of franchise in my eyes and I’m lost to it. For me, there is no continuity, no roots and ultimately, no soul. It is just an orange team (Merry Christmas, Ms Underwood) that plays in Perth, where a random array of players join up for cash every year. No narrative, no romance. Glad that people get some enjoyment out of it, though.

Fair argument that that is how most sports operate, including AFL. But by and large, young men and women generally pour their hearts into our club and mostly (thinking of you Cerra and Lobb) want to be here for success. It is still within the culture of the sport, thankfully. Don’t you just love it when a young Docker tugs at their jumper after a goal? The endorphins, man. The endorphins.

 

[2big2strom]

He's just had his son convicted of rape ffs and he's understandably upset about it amongst a lot of other feelings. But you go ahead and get your knickers in a twist. I don't think you or any of us can fully comprehend what that would be like as a parent..

well we do know a bit of what he's feeling because he insisted on telling us. in fact, he centred his and his family's feelings in his address to the media more than the victims - someone he didn't even acknowledge. as you just said, his own son had just been convicted of rape.

boo freaking hoo. maybe instead of accusing other people of getting their knickers in a knot, you should reflect on why it's so devastating to you that the Silvagni's have had their reputation blemished (by their own actions, regarding their own son, who they raised, who was found guilty of committing the heinous act in their own home btw)?

 

[The Round House Drunk]

I’ll give this a go. I’m a Dodgers guy, but hear me out! They were the first team I would have watched when I was a kid, probably that Kirk Gibson moment in hindsight; kids gravitate towards winners, too.

As I got more into MLB as an adult, I started to feel coy about going for the Dodgers, for obvious reasons. The money, the ubiquitous hat on Carousel mum’s etc.

And with this I found myself drifting towards the Orioles. I love their stadium (hope to visit before it is an internment camp) and the logo. That little mascot; it’s slightly subversive?!

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However, having viewed Ken Burns’ Baseball, it really consolidated my Dodgers fandom. More Brooklyn, than LA. Hearing the accounts of Jackie Robinson made me cry. What a mensch.

I still prefer to wear an Orioles hat rather than a Dodgers one, though!

Nice post.

When I was playing teeball/baseball as a pre-teen in the mid 90s, the only MLB on TV was the World Series - usually cut down to a package of 2 hours and then whacked on late night TV. My dad would tape it and I’d devour it - I must have watched the 93, 95 and 96 World Series dozens of times.

I had a real soft spot for the then Cleveland Indians. They got so close in those years but never broke their drought.

The Orioles had some postseason appearances in the late 90s. I remember Mike Mussina, Brady Anderson, Cal Ripken Jnr and Roberto Alomar from that era.

I never liked the Dodgers but now better appreciate their almost 150 year history as a ball club or “franchise” (along with the Giants). The history of the growth and expansion of the major leagues is fascinating.

Baseball has a rich history and deep traditions, much like Test cricket in some ways. I know it doesn’t always help to compare/contrast, but for me baseball is a much better game than T20 cricket (and I say that as a cricket lover as well). Test cricket is in its own category and is a thing of beauty.

 

[Rhufus]

I have no doubt, none at all, that social media for the young is a bad thing.
Bad for us older ones too probably.

I also have a knee jerk, grimmacing spasm every time the government announces "relax, we`re here to help". Im not comfortable with the government banning only certain platforms, no matter how toxic they sometimes can be. It has red flag written all over it. Im not overly cynical but Im highly sceptical that people in the Government, know what they are doing or should have anything to do with raising children properly.

Two things maybe can be right at the same time, I dont know.

I was damn lucky I guess, one of my daughters came to me at about age 14 and said Dad, Ive deleted my profile off whatever it was. I asked her why and she said she was getting addicted, wasting too much time and getting emotional on line. Both my kids are on a few platforms now they are older but we talk about it regularly. Helps that I often book camping holidays and go great places that I make sure have no data coverage!! I even get daggers from the wife but in the end we all have a great time and detox.

I get it that not every family is the same and some may find the governments new laws a tool they can use with their kids. I can tell you my kids would get around it if they wanted in one minute flat.

 

[greatgatsby]

Yeah, been some fan frustration at Baltimore over some of the decision making. Sounds familiar! The Pirates Stadium, also looks great with the open design, fringed by the city’s underrated skyline. Slight pivot, but cogent to the resistance to the Nationals and Oakland/Las Vegas shenanigans, the whole franchise flexibility within American sports would do my head in.

Hypothetically, the powers that be at Cockburn, after a few lean years and issues with the training facility/Perth Stadium, decide that there was a better future for the “franchise” by moving to…I don’t know…let’s say Parramatta (given the populace, circa Gil levels of AFL assistance in an arms race with NRL, in-situ with generous assurances from Government at the State level). Who do you go for? Do you go for Parramatta Dockers? Do you follow another team or give up on AFL altogether?

I was talking at length to my partner about the whole Cleveland Browns thing (Eyes glazing over, mind you. Bless her. If it ain’t Dockers, she ain’t interested). Cleveland moving to Baltimore and then another team being created to become Cleveland. It’s a dazzling conundrum.

If you’re a Sonics fan watching the Thunder win it last year, Do you make like a Fitzroy fan and Bradbury up the Brisbane glory? Or do you turn your back on the finals telecast, wear your Shawn Kemp throwback and turn up The Screaming Trees, whilst downing many microbrews (or smack, to be inclusive).

Department of Old Man Yelling at Clouds: I guess this is why I can’t get on the Scorchers. Aside from being a test guy, at best, but they are the embodiment of franchise in my eyes and I’m lost to it. For me, there is no continuity, no roots and ultimately, no soul. It is just an orange team (Merry Christmas, Ms Underwood) that plays in Perth, where a random array of players join up for cash every year. No narrative, no romance. Glad that people get some enjoyment out of it, though.

Fair argument that that is how most sports operate, including AFL. But by and large, young men and women generally pour their hearts into our club and mostly (thinking of you Cerra and Lobb) want to be here for success. It is still within the culture of the sport, thankfully. Don’t you just love it when a young Docker tugs at their jumper after a goal? The endorphins, man. The endorphins.

Man, some good stuff you raise. The owners threatening to move teams as a negotiating tactic is something that Aussie fans would always struggle with. Not dissimilar to the EPL teams being bought by oligarchs and Middle Eastern states.

I don't drink the AFL kool-aid (at least I don't think I do), but I think they are getting some of these things right so far.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

He's just had his son convicted of rape ffs and he's understandably upset about it amongst a lot of other feelings. But you go ahead and get your knickers in a twist. I don't think you or any of us can fully comprehend what that would be like as a parent..

I don't have a convicted rapist son, so I guess you're right.

And for the record, I said 'could be seen' as a possible explanation for why the original poster had suggested the family could lose some public goodwill.

Sounds like you're the one with your knickers in a twist.

 

[Knees of Ben Allan]

Nice post.

When I was playing teeball/baseball as a pre-teen in the mid 90s, the only MLB on TV was the World Series - usually cut down to a package of 2 hours and then whacked on late night TV. My dad would tape it and I’d devour it - I must have watched the 93, 95 and 96 World Series dozens of times.

I had a real soft spot for the then Cleveland Indians. They got so close in those years but never broke their drought.

The Orioles had some postseason appearances in the late 90s. I remember Mike Mussina, Brady Anderson, Cal Ripken Jnr and Roberto Alomar from that era.

I never liked the Dodgers but now better appreciate their almost 150 year history as a ball club or “franchise” (along with the Giants). The history of the growth and expansion of the major leagues is fascinating.

Baseball has a rich history and deep traditions, much like Test cricket in some ways. I know it doesn’t always help to compare/contrast, but for me baseball is a much better game than T20 cricket (and I say that as a cricket lover as well). Test cricket is in its own category and is a thing of beauty.

Yes, I watched baseball similarly. A couple of years ago, when I could still tolerate Kayo, I reflected how out of my skin my 11 year old self would have been, at being able to watch NBA, MLB or NFL at 10 in the morning, all from my Perth lounge room.

I really agree with your thought on baseball/cricket. Whilst I still enjoy the test format, I feel part of a generation of men who had their subsequent summers dulled by that Ponting era. A wonderful player (God, there was a compilation on YouTube of his direct hit fielding, which is out of this world!), but the Aussies hit their insufferable zenith somewhere around here.

By no means exclusive to the leadership of Richard and the accelerated win at all costs nastiness, but this was part of a strange brew. 20/20 and the accompanying cuckolding experienced by that perineum of a format, 50 overs cricket. The self-administered strikes of the whip, by the relentless Langer. Shaved apes in the Nine Commentary box. KFC and general saturated shilling. Warnie retiring. Too much success. This strange brew was flatter than a jug of drip tray pour.

So, yes, I agree that baseball offers something akin to test cricket. Having returned to the sport in a much bigger capacity within the last decade, it strikes me as interesting how loyal to the traditions that the sport is. Eccentricity abounds. Pitchers and their various styles and florid routines, which would even make Peter Taylor blush. Superstitions. Myths. The impact and variance of different grounds and conditions, much like cricket.

 

[ImperialPurple]

He's just had his son convicted of rape ffs and he's understandably upset about it amongst a lot of other feelings. But you go ahead and get your knickers in a twist. I don't think you or any of us can fully comprehend what that would be like as a parent..

Boo ****ing hoo. His son is a rapist. Don’t defend him in the media, go away quietly and do whatever you need to do to take the next step in the legal process, but don’t ignore the victim impact statement, then play the ‘poor us’ card, effectively saying the woman his son r*ped lied and 12 people got it wrong. I don’t think anyone can fully comprehend what that would be like as a parent, to hear that.

If your kid is a rapist, pull your head in in the public arena.

 

[Barnabus]

He's just had his son convicted of rape ffs and he's understandably upset about it amongst a lot of other feelings. But you go ahead and get your knickers in a twist. I don't think you or any of us can fully comprehend what that would be like as a parent..

I get he is probably upset but he definitely wasn't helping his kid by speaking to the media. I suspect he is wishing he just released a statement through his lawyer not directly to the media.

 

[BStaff17]

Why tar the rest of the Silvagni family though? I find that ridiculous.

The fact there loaded and could pay for a supression order that a lot of people cant afford and comments in the media dont help the family in anyway.

They did what they had to do which is fine they wanted the best possible outcome and protection for there son in the case of paying for a SO

But it also doesnt mean they will garner sympathy by the general public.

The fact they snubbed there nose and didnt bother being inside the court room during the victim statement is another black eye for the family. To me that was sheer arrogance the least they could do was be in there when the victim read our her statement.

 

[Jezzitizle]

What a thread. Some nice baseball chit chat. Then sexual assault and abusing people about their views on the government’s social media policy.

 

[jusjoshin]

Yeah look maybe I worded it poorly i probably should have said it's a dimwitted opinion, and not called you a dimwit.
FWIW I too know what I'm working with champ, and if you can't see the damage that social media does to the vast majority of children from the numerous studies that have been conducted then you might want to get those things on the front of your head tested as well as your IQ.
I've been following this thread for a while now and trying to keeping my trap shut.
But I'm also a parent to a child with diagnoses similar to yours, and FWIW social media has been about as helpful to him as **** on a bull.
We did not use a tablet as a pacifier.
We have 3 other children that we have flat out denied a phone until they are 15 after we saw what it was doing to our son and difference in their mental health is obvious.
Although, everyone is different and deal with things in different ways.
Social media and tech in general has got him by the balls.
He too struggles with social settings but the tech doesn't help him with that it allows him to shut himself off from the real world. By living their lives from behind a screen and through social media they don't learn to cope with what the real world throws at them and build any resilience.
For us the ban gives us a leg to stand on with trying to get him out of the house and into the world with the rest of us so he might have some hope of getting a job and being self sufficient one day.
If you want to PM me and we can discuss the pros and cons of the ban and dealing with a neurodivergent child at the same time feel free, at the end of the day your opinion is yours and mine is mine. I doubt anything will change that but we might learn something from seeing it from someone else's point of view.

Fair comment. My youngest struggles to make friends but like spending time with (mostly older) guys talking about Warhammer 40k. He is still building an army (because it is expensive and he's poor), so his option now is to either break the law, or go to BlueSky/Dread

I'm just filthy because in the last couple of days I've had discussions with him reassuring him that people would miss him if he was gone. If you actually had the stones to keep your kids off the internet before they could handle it, then what bloody difference does to make to you anyway? You have successfully parented your children without government assistance. I think people need to see the harms that this legislation can do as well as the tingly butterflies they get from the idea that their kids will spend a bit less time glued to a screen, which is why I'm posting publicly not pm-ing you.