Opinion Non-Crows AFL 12: It's the confectionery with 1000 uses

[hippyhippy]

What ? He's 10 x the player that Crouch is

Crouch would never produce a 37 possession 3 goal game

Crouch had the record for the post disposals in a season though... those days long gone because his body can't sustain a season no more.

We should put all our eggs into nwm

 

[Cromulant]

What ? He's 10 x the player that Crouch is

Crouch would never produce a 37 possession 3 goal game

Nah he isnt.

He might have been, but I'm reasonably confident he won't.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

I dont get why clubs are not allowed to blow up their list if they choose too. If it goes pear shaped, bad luck.

Perhaps if the AFL didnt bail these clubs out they may be less inclined to go that aggresive with list changes. Priority picks should go the way of the Dodo.

 

[spenze]

We should put all our eggs into nwm

He mightn't be into that shit dude, NTTAWWT

 

[spenze]

I dont get why clubs are not allowed to blow up their list if they choose too. If it goes pear shaped, bad luck.

Perhaps if the AFL didnt bail these clubs out they may be less inclined to go that aggresive with list changes. Priority picks should go the way of the Dodo.

I'd like to see teams have their list management team sacked before they can ask for a priority pick

 

[MRB37]

It’s SOS. Would be an interesting watch if he nominated a club to move to in the trade period. There would be some laptops being slammed shut. And pre-season draft ain’t an option. West Coast would take him for sure if available. Regardless of dollars involved.

The issue with SOS I think is he likes to be in control. Carlton never had an issue with trading Gibbs for example, but because we went out and announced it before Carlton we took control away from SOS and he then became uber difficult to negotiate with because of it.

If we had of said nothing and just let stuff play out I reckon it would have played out just fine and he'd of been with us a year earlier.

 

[MRB37]

I'd like to see teams have their list management team sacked before they can ask for a priority pick

I don't think we've had a faultless rebuild by any stretch of the imagination, but if we can do what we've done in 4-5 years then there's no excuse for other clubs. No handouts, no priority picks, none of it.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

I dont get why clubs are not allowed to blow up their list if they choose too. If it goes pear shaped, bad luck.

Perhaps if the AFL didnt bail these clubs out they may be less inclined to go that aggresive with list changes. Priority picks should go the way of the Dodo.

Exactly right, all of this. Stop bailing out crap clubs, we didn't get one bit of help when we were bottom.

 

[spenze]

I don't think we've had a faultless rebuild by any stretch of the imagination, but if we can do what we've done in 4-5 years then there's no excuse for other clubs. No handouts, no priority picks, none of it.

Yep, if you're going the rebuild route then you need to be smart about it, get the bookends then the mids, or as it as known a "Reverse Kanga".

I really wonder what happens with those guys in another year or two, will they be a decade into a rebuild and need to do another rebuild...commonly known as a "Navy Blue"

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

...then, why bother having the rule?

The rule is either worth having, or it's not. If it's worth having, then it should be enforced properly without allowing loopholes to get around the entire point of the rule. And if it's not worth having, then don't have it.

I guarantee you, if a club has the option to trade in a gun player for a first round selection, but are unable to do so because of the AFL rules... if they are given the option to get around the requirement by also trading in a failed first round selection for a late pick, they're going to take it.

Isn't the rule only in place to prevent an under pressure, outgoing regime from mortgaging the club's future in a desperate attempt to stay in power?

A safeguard against a power hungry moron basically

Would only ever be the rarest of occasions (never?) that this occurs in AFL because at present teams can only trade picks one year in advance anyway

 

[GreyCrow]

I really wonder what happens with those guys in another year or two, will they be a decade into a rebuild and need to do another rebuild...commonly known as a "Navy Blue"

I think this scares Carlton more than sacking Voss

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Yep, if you're going the rebuild route then you need to be smart about it, get the bookends then the mids, or as it as known a "Reverse Kanga".

I really wonder what happens with those guys in another year or two, will they be a decade into a rebuild and need to do another rebuild...commonly known as a "Navy Blue"

Rebuilds could indeed be renamed

Clubs entering the Blue Zone or something

 

[PeterSalt]

Yep, if you're going the rebuild route then you need to be smart about it, get the bookends then the mids, or as it as known a "Reverse Kanga".

I really wonder what happens with those guys in another year or two, will they be a decade into a rebuild and need to do another rebuild...commonly known as a "Navy Blue"

lol .. and I always thought a 'reverse kanga' was taking a #2 sitting down facing the cistern

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Haha

 

[ABAB]

Not gonna lie I was really hoping I was going to be able to enjoy seeing him and Butters leave in a short space of time of each other.

Butters next year and Bergman the following year???

 

[PeterSalt]

Haha

GWS offered Sydney the use Engie Stadium on socials yesterday

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I dont get why clubs are not allowed to blow up their list if they choose too. If it goes pear shaped, bad luck.

Perhaps if the AFL didnt bail these clubs out they may be less inclined to go that aggresive with list changes. Priority picks should go the way of the Dodo.

Richmond did...

 

[Mattrox]

The good old "mathematical chance".

 

[Redline]

I don't think we've had a faultless rebuild by any stretch of the imagination, but if we can do what we've done in 4-5 years then there's no excuse for other clubs. No handouts, no priority picks, none of it.

What's impressive about our rebuild is outside Michalanney we haven't benefited from father sons or academy picks. Sam.Power at the Bulldogs has done well but getting Darcy given to you is a fair advantage.

 

[PeterSalt]

They really do have a great SM team

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

I dont get why clubs are not allowed to blow up their list if they choose too. If it goes pear shaped, bad luck.

Perhaps if the AFL didnt bail these clubs out they may be less inclined to go that aggresive with list changes. Priority picks should go the way of the Dodo.

Don't need the draft either a stricty enforced salary cap is enough for equality.

The draft has probably ruined a lot of potential players by decent talents going to shitty clubs and getting bad development. You could argue you wouldn't have wanted to be a key position talent coming to the crows for the longest time.

In America the talented players get their development at a good college program first and are drafted closer to their performing age, not 18.

 

[Golumless]

What ? He's 10 x the player that Crouch is

Crouch would never produce a 37 possession 3 goal game

No, only 35 and 2 if we're considering outlier games.

There isn't a massive gap between the two, outside of Walsh being 5ish years younger, but that's in part due to Sam stalling out with back issues.

 

[Cleric]

Any reason why the SANFL have left Port out of their listed league clubs on their website, but have included Adelaide?
Is it an accidental omission, or is there some other reason why?

 

[MarcusP2]

I dont get why clubs are not allowed to blow up their list if they choose too. If it goes pear shaped, bad luck.

Perhaps if the AFL didnt bail these clubs out they may be less inclined to go that aggresive with list changes. Priority picks should go the way of the Dodo.

Because the AFL doesn't want more eyes on the fact that if you are a crap club in the AFL it's much much harder to rebuild your list given the lack of talent, the high number of teams, the lack of player movement and how many premium players are unavailable to bottom clubs.

If you are shit in the NBA you can draft a superstar that can immediately change your fortunes. Even in the NFL hit a QB and you're suddenly competitive and free agency and salaries contribute to much more player movement. We have evidence that even massive offers can't get a player out of a premium Melbourne club (Essendon are hot garbage and retain/attract many players, North (and us) offered Dusty $10M a decade ago and he wasn't swayed to leave Richmond).

In the AFL you get 1 player out of 22 who might contribute in 3 years that you choose mostly based on junior games. And that's if the best players aren't already locked away.

Imagine North if they could have drafted Darcy, Daicos, the Ashcrofts, even Jed Walter.

Rebuilding in the AFL is extremely difficult.

 

[50BC]

Power star set to turn down monster Victorian offers

Miles Bergman is set to stay in South Australia on a new deal that will take him through to free agency

www.afl.com.au

Wow... well maybe just maybe we are a chance for NWM then

No way they can keep Bergman and Butters and then bring in NWM on huge $$

HBF stocks of

Rozee
Bergman
Farrell
Burgoyne


Not sure they can justify NWM too

Salary cap aside, without trading out a player like Bergman who could get them a 1st round pick, no way they could satisfy St Kilda in a trade, and they will finish too high (above St Kilda) to walk him to preseason draft. Pretty sure he stays at St Kilda for now, we are a very outside chance only. I'd rather see us try and trade up in the draft to get Dyson Sharp or at least Mitch Marsh anyway.