Opinion Non-Crows AFL 13: Offseason

[Soggy2112]

At the moment, 7th and 8th get an advantage by getting a weeks rest with all the other finals teams.

Do they deserve that? No.

It’s not an advantage if everyone else is in the same boat.

In the past 10 years, 7 out of those the 10th place team had a 50% win/loss record, or worse. You’re telling me they deserve to play finals?

The reality is this is something fans generally don’t want. The AFL does because it means they can charge more for TV rights. They’re pretending this is about removing the pre finals bye when it isn’t.

 

[Tex Danger]

At the moment, 7th and 8th get an advantage by getting a weeks rest with all the other finals teams.

Do they deserve that? No.

In before wildcard weekend winner wins the next week and it’s hotly debated if they’re 5th had a continuity advantage over the 5/6 teams

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

At the moment, 7th and 8th get an advantage by getting a weeks rest with all the other finals teams.

Do they deserve that? No.

Using this theory, 3rd & 4th should play finals round 0 too...

 

[Mostyn]

Your last sentence would be valid IMO if we were talking about two businesses. We’re not. We’re talking about a state government and a not for profit sporting league. There obligations are to the people of Tasmania, not their bank accounts.

If a team in Tasmania isn’t viable, it isn’t viable, stadium or not. The AFL needs to commit to making it happen, or not, regardless of what happens with the stadium.

Right now it seems that the Tasmanian government is having to choose whether to build the stadium and have a team, or not. I’m not okay with the AFL putting them in that position.

Just make the call, team or no team, then work on the potential stadium.

I hear what you're saying - but the AFL has already said multiple times that a Tasmanian team isn't viable.

It was the Tasmanian Government under Gutwein who wanted to play politics, knowing a team was popular with voters. They said "we'll build a roofed stadium to get this across the line, if you change your mind."

That was what the AFL agreed to, and now a new government is be trying to go back on it

The thing is - the government isn't the one paying for a money-losing team for the next 50 years (if that's what happens). It's the other AFL clubs that would be paying for that.

I think the team happens, but I think it's also dirty politics to make the AFL the villain in this. They have every right to say "you have to do what we agreed to".

 

[Mostyn]

It’s not an advantage if everyone else is in the same boat.

In the past 10 years, 7 out of those the 10th place team had a 50% win/loss record, or worse. You’re telling me they deserve to play finals?

The reality is this is something fans generally don’t want. The AFL does because it means they can charge more for TV rights. They’re pretending this is about removing the pre finals bye when it isn’t.

The fans generally never want change.

I think this gives a deserved advantage to the teams finishing 5th and 6th, which is good.

 

[FR0GGY]

It’s not an advantage if everyone else is in the same boat.

In the past 10 years, 7 out of those the 10th place team had a 50% win/loss record, or worse. You’re telling me they deserve to play finals?

The reality is this is something fans generally don’t want. The AFL does because it means they can charge more for TV rights. They’re pretending this is about removing the pre finals bye when it isn’t.

If you can’t beat a 9th or 10th team with a win % of less than 50, at home, then you don’t deserve to move on to the rest of the finals.

 

[FR0GGY]

The fans generally never want change.

I think this gives a deserved advantage to the teams finishing 5th and 6th, which is good.

I’m all for the change but there’s a small chance this flips it like it did with the prelims a bit and the 5th and 6th teams coming off a break, lose to 7th-10th a bit more often.

 

[Soggy2112]

The fans generally never want change.

That’s a line that is used a lot in these situations, and I think it’s an unfair argument. Yes, fans are often resistant to change, but we like what we have, if you’re going to change you need a good argument for it, and I don’t think there is really one in this case.

I think this gives a deserved advantage to the teams finishing 5th and 6th, which is good.

Is a home final not enough? It’s the same advantage 1st and 2nd get over 3rd and 4th.

If you can’t beat a 9th or 10th team with a win % of less than 50, at home, then you don’t deserve to move on to the rest of the finals.

By that logic why stop at 10 teams? Why not make teams beat 11 and 12 to make it?

 

[FR0GGY]

That’s a line that is used a lot in these situations, and I think it’s an unfair argument. Yes, fans are often resistant to change, but we like what we have, if you’re going to change you need a good argument for it, and I don’t think there is really one in this case.




Is a home final not enough? It’s the same advantage 1st and 2nd get over 3rd and 4th.




By that logic why stop at 10 teams? Why not make teams beat 11 and 12 to make it?

Why extend to 8 and not just make it a top 4?

 

[Jetwa5h]

Anyone else follow GWS Socials for the giggles?

 

[1970crow]

The thing is that we’ve actually moved in a positive direction now where those teams are generally pretty good sides. You now have to win 55% or more of your games usually to make the 8.

This change brings it back to where a 50-50 record or sometimes even a losing record is enough.

Then they’ll get beaten and we’re back where we started.

 

[1970crow]

That’s a line that is used a lot in these situations, and I think it’s an unfair argument. Yes, fans are often resistant to change, but we like what we have, if you’re going to change you need a good argument for it, and I don’t think there is really one in this case.




Is a home final not enough? It’s the same advantage 1st and 2nd get over 3rd and 4th.




By that logic why stop at 10 teams? Why not make teams beat 11 and 12 to make it?

2 games of footy in an empty weekend is argument enough. The extra money earned by the game is purely a bonus. Extra fan engagement by adding 2 teams in round 25 is a minor benefit too. And all it’s cost is 7th and 8th losing a week off pre-finals. Benefits outweigh the costs.

Re the “logic” question, it’s obvious if you put your thinking hat on. Doing this has no bearing at all on the start or concluding date of the season, it fits into the current structure. What you suggested doesn’t.

That said, I’ve got no problem with the AFL scheduling all teams on that weekend playing for the better draft pick. Scorpus jokingly said 17v18 for pick 1. Is happily see it extended to 15v16 for 3 etc etc. But it won’t happen as it’s also the launch of AFLW and they won’t want to take too much away.

 

[kirky]

That’s a line that is used a lot in these situations, and I think it’s an unfair argument. Yes, fans are often resistant to change, but we like what we have, if you’re going to change you need a good argument for it, and I don’t think there is really one in this case.




Is a home final not enough? It’s the same advantage 1st and 2nd get over 3rd and 4th.

You miss the obvious difference, teams finish 1-4 get a double chance.

If team 5-6 have a day off, they are eliminated.

7-8 do not deserve the same privileges as 5-6 who likewise don’t deserve the same privileges as 1-4.

 

[footy4ever]

You get a final, you get a final, everyone gets a final.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

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You get a final, you get a final, everyone gets a final.

Conspirators would say it’s all part of the AFL’s DEI policy at work.
In 2027 teams finishing 11,12 and any team identifying as Gold Coast may also play finals apparently.

 

[SugarShane]

You miss the obvious difference, teams finish 1-4 get a double chance.

If team 5-6 have a day off, they are eliminated.

7-8 do not deserve the same privileges as 5-6 who likewise don’t deserve the same privileges as 1-4.

The top 8 system is so beautiful in its simplicity. Every pair gets an extra advantage over the next 2, and every position technically gets a small advantage over the next. 2 eliminated each week until 2 remain. It's a perfect setup.

Obviously playing 2 extra games to decide who makes up 7 and 8 won't affect the final 8 as such, but it's such an unnecessary addition.

 

[MatthewB]

 

[Mutineer]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/sexual-assault-charges-against-tanner-bruhn-dropped-after-witness-admits-lying/news-story/64777993b6af73e67371f33d4017c46e

A really long read but obviously the woman and her male friend have been found out big time telling blatant lies in their statements to Police which CCTV debunked.

Top criminal barrister Dermot Dann, KC, appearing in court on Tuesday for Bruhn, said his client had been “to hell and back”, declaring “this case represented a horrible stain on the criminal justice system”.

“It was a case where the evidence in the early stages of the committal revealed that when it came to these allegations of rape and sexual assault, the complainant had admitted that she had lied,” Mr Dann said.

“It was a case where another prosecution witness admitted in his evidence that he told lies to police and told lies in the court.

“It was a case where that same prosecution witness admitted in his evidence, it was the complainant who had told him to lie.”

He said Mr Bruhn’s liberty had been put in jeopardy.

“His whole career has been put in jeopardy, and he’s basically been to hell and back,” Mr Dann told the court.

“It’s a case where he’s had to endure attacks on social media, on people who seem to have absolutely no understanding or grip or grasp of the presumption of innocence.”

The experienced lawyer had one message to the keyboard warriors: “Those people who did attack him on social media, we say should step away from their keyboards and hang their heads in shame.”

He added the commenters had “failed to adhere to, or respect in any way, a principle, which should be so fundamental to, any fair society with presumption of innocence”.

He said it was “a good thing” the prosecution had “put this case out of its misery” as quickly as it did when the lies were exposed.

“Anyone who wants to comment on this case, should do so on the understanding that not only was Mr Bruhn presumed to be innocent in respect of these charges ... that he should be regarded, now and forever, as someone who was 100 per cent innocent,” he said.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

We already do that with 7th and 8th. And there are reasons. Increased TV rights, adding to 2 games to an empty weekend, increased stadium revenue, which benefits clubs in the grand scheme, extra interest in the games at the end of the season. There’s simply not a single negative and at least a few positives of varying degrees.

more games of consequence is not guaranteed, you could accidentally create more dead rubbers.

I suspect that this system could also weaken the current week 1 elim finals, as 5 & 6 will now have a big advantage over 7&8.

 

[FR0GGY]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/sexual-assault-charges-against-tanner-bruhn-dropped-after-witness-admits-lying/news-story/64777993b6af73e67371f33d4017c46e

A really long read but obviously the woman and her male friend have been found out big time telling blatant lies in their statements to Police which CCTV debunked.

Is there not limit to what geelong get away with?






Joke, people.

 

[GreyCrow]

Teams less than 50% win rate tenth and above

2025 - 0
2024 - 0
2023 - 1 - Adelaide 11-12
2022 - 0 - St Kilda 11-11
2021 - 2 - St Kilda , Eagles 10-12 (also Freo on 10-12) Essendon 8th on 11-11
2020 - 1 Carlton 8-9 ( Covid Year )
2019 - 0 - Port 11-11 Hawks 11-11
2018 - 0
2017 - 0 - Bulldogs 11-11
2016 - 1 - Port Adelaide 10-12

 

[Mutineer]

Is there not limit to what geelong get away with?






Joke, people.

There is another story in the Hun which has the woman's male friends full statement'where he has admitted telling a shedload of lies, I'll PM it to you. Bruhn and his mate have been put through hell on a pack of lies by the woman and her male friend.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

There is another story in the Hun which has the woman's male friends full statement'where he has admitted telling a shedload of lies, I'll PM it to you. Bruhn and his mate have been put through hell on a pack of lies by the woman and her male friend.

Do we know why?

 

[1970crow]

Shock horror. And I was banned from the main board thread for having the temerity to say that these things are very rarely black and white.

 

[rocket18]

There is another story in the Hun which has the woman's male friends full statement'where he has admitted telling a shedload of lies, I'll PM it to you. Bruhn and his mate have been put through hell on a pack of lies by the woman and her male friend.

Hope he sues the lying mole for everything she's got.

Do we know why?

$$$$

Shock horror. And I was banned from the main board thread for having the temerity to say that these things are very rarely black and white.

In the is instance it was very black and white, no he said/she said.

Just blatant lies.