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Im a fan of Marcus North, think he is one of the more liked players in the dressing room.

Great to see him bag 6 wickets last night, seems to have a liking for English conditions. (Did well in the Ashes in that final test too)

Think if he can hold a role as an all rounder, having him and another specialist spinner in the team can do wonders.

I personally, think , he will have gained confidence out of this test, and this could lead to his batting improving at the same time.
 
We don't need him as a spinner though. IMO would far prefer Smith.

There's big wraps on Khawaja, what would it have hurt to bring him in for a couple of nothing tests against a crap opposition? Let him prove what he's made of before the Ashes.

A bit of abstract thinking from the selectors would have paid off massively instead of having North failing time and again.
 
On another note, when was the last time an Australian player was so maligned after taking 6 wickets in any form?
 
triplejdude said:
On another note, when was the last time an Australian player was so maligned after taking 6 wickets in any form?
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Hauritz?

On another note I find it quite amusing that North will be in the honor board at Lords
 

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Why is Kwahaja pumped up so much on here? He's had one good season. Seems like whenever some young NSW player has a half decent series everyone wants him in the test team.

If we're going to play a young NSWelshman i'd rather go with Hughes, even if we put him out of position at number 6.
 
Khawaja gets a rap because he's one of the few young batsmen playing regularly and succeeding at first class level. How many other guys under 25 are putting runs on the board in Sheffield Shield?

It has nothing to do with his state. Victoria has no right to whinge about Khawaja getting attention when they have let talented youngsters like Michael Hill languish in the Second XI for years.
 
North is a horrible batsman, just horrible. It's about time Philip Hughes realised he isn't an opener and is a middle oarder batsman and takes his place. Even Hauritz is a better batsman than North. Even Khawaja is a better option.
 
I can't believe how many lives he has had, and how few Hughes had. What a joke.

Hughes is by far a better option than North no matter where in the order he bats.
 
Sometimes you use the big scores to show how much talent a player has.

In North's case the litany of failures just outweigh them by far too much. He can't even make it to 10.

Add in his disgraceful Shield efforts and it all proves he is clearly not up to it.

Must have his papers marked. But he won't. His spin bowling will keep him in in India
 

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But, but, but, but...... he took 6 wickets!! He's therefore perfectly suited to be our number 6 bat!

It was all well and good to search for all rounders after the 05 Ashes when we had blokes that could do one thing well, now we've got dunces that are mediocre at everything and still getting a gig.
 
It is all well and good to say a guy has to be dropped, but you then have to replace him.

Hughes is currently recovering from a shoulder reco, and is no certainity to right for the 2010/11 home season in Australia.

That leaves Kwahaja or Smith, both very inexperienced and Im not sure I want either of those guys at 6 at this stage.

2 tests is difficult for any batsmen to find form if they come in short of runs.

North averaged 105 from 3 innings in NZ with a 100 and a 50.

I think he deserves more time. I guess those 2 hundreds he scored in England last year count for nought as well?
 
north lacks consistancy and he like haddin never make runs when it really counts, plus he looks horrible, poor technique etc. May as well move on. even hodge out of retirement would be better by miles.
 

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Take Aim said:
It is all well and good to say a guy has to be dropped, but you then have to replace him.

Hughes is currently recovering from a shoulder reco, and is no certainity to right for the 2010/11 home season in Australia.

That leaves Kwahaja or Smith, both very inexperienced and Im not sure I want either of those guys at 6 at this stage.

2 tests is difficult for any batsmen to find form if they come in short of runs.

North averaged 105 from 3 innings in NZ with a 100 and a 50.

I think he deserves more time. I guess those 2 hundreds he scored in England last year count for nought as well?
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You are aware that his average is down to about 35 now?
 
Yeah, but what do we do?

It is alright saying he needs to be dropped, but he will then need to be replaced. Im not sure Smith is ready to take on a top 6 position. Hughes is injured. That leaves Kwaja (sp).

It is the off-season in Australia. Australian won't debut a batsmen for the 1st test at the Gabba unless it is due to injury.

North will probably be selected to go to India. In NZ he was great. I think it would be harsh to drop a guy after two test matchs that came in the middle of the off-season.

Im not convinced about North either, but until someone better comes along and puts their hand up I'll stick with him. Whether that is Hughes coming back from injury, or whatever.

England's attack in Australian conditions will be an easier prospect then Pakistan's attack with a duke cricket ball. We also need to keep that in mind.

Australia are most likely going to draw the series 1-1. Lets not get carried in terms of rolling the changes.
 
Take Aim said:
Yeah, but what do we do?

It is alright saying he needs to be dropped, but he will then need to be replaced. Im not sure Smith is ready to take on a top 6 position. Hughes is injured. That leaves Kwaja (sp).

It is the off-season in Australia. Australian won't debut a batsmen for the 1st test at the Gabba unless it is due to injury.

North will probably be selected to go to India. In NZ he was great. I think it would be harsh to drop a guy after two test matchs that came in the middle of the off-season.

Im not convinced about North either, but until someone better comes along and puts their hand up I'll stick with him. Whether that is Hughes coming back from injury, or whatever.

England's attack in Australian conditions will be an easier prospect then Pakistan's attack with a duke cricket ball. We also need to keep that in mind.

Australia are most likely going to draw the series 1-1. Lets not get carried in terms of rolling the changes.
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I know what you mean, I've said before that it is very unfair on a young player to debut them in India, especially if they are dicey against spin. And I think most of our young players probably are.
 
I guess one alternative is dropping Watson down to 6 and drafting in Hughes after he has recovered from injury. Im not sure on Hughes current rehab status, but I'd be surprised if his ready for the Indian tour.

Right now my gut feel is that North will tour India, after that is anyone's guess. Probably best to take it one series at a time, especially considering the next your is India with it's off-field perils and harsh on-field conditions. We only need to see what happened to Brett Lee after the 2008 Giardia episode which arugably cost him 6 months fitness and form.
 
take aim said:
it is all well and good to say a guy has to be dropped, but you then have to replace him.

Hughes is currently recovering from a shoulder reco, and is no certainity to right for the 2010/11 home season in australia.

That leaves kwahaja or smith, both very inexperienced and im not sure i want either of those guys at 6 at this stage.

2 tests is difficult for any batsmen to find form if they come in short of runs.

North averaged 105 from 3 innings in nz with a 100 and a 50.

I think he deserves more time. I guess those 2 hundreds he scored in england last year count for nought as well?
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more time' surely your takin the piss,i would rather mike whitney batting before north,at least hes a fighter and would do anything to try and hang around fight for his country.north is mentally weak.
 
i find this north scenario a bit bizarre.

he was initially selected over other batsmen because his bowling was seen as handy. but then it was rarely used.

for me, but the time he got the 6 for, it was akin to gillespie's 200 - it meant little for future selection, because as great as the performance was, it isn't what he's in the side for.

two options for me... one is cameron white, because i'm still holding onto hope that he's our next test captain rather than clarke. option two is haddin at 6 with smith at 7 i reckon.
 

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