Now that Nathan Buckley is 31

[MarkT]

Not sure if you are serious.

Buckley will play for another 3 or 4 years. It could even be a few more than that. He is in great form and his game has kept developing. The team is finally performing, his pay is only half counted in the salary cap so he is massive value for money cap wise and Collingwood are not over burdened with older players. If Buckley's form drops off next year he'll still be close to our best player. In the last few years he could easily play out of a forward pocket or HBF and be great value. He prepares himself like few others and he has sensational durability. His 2002 was his worst season since he arrived at Collingwood and yet he was still more than very servicable and won the Norm Smith Medal. Without the leg problems this year he will win another Copeland and has won the Brownlow. He is a driven person and I couldn't imagine he would remotely contemplate retirement.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by Macca19
Nick has stated he will go into the draft if neccesary. Then he is anybodys game. He wants to go back to Victoria. There are plenty of Victorian clubs that would want him before Collingwood get a chance in the draft.

And indeed non-Victorian clubs that might pick him up for a year and trade him on later. Or us.

 

[MarkT]

Macca I reckon you under rate Betheras. I still have him in my best 22. He would be a grunt midfielder at Port and a pinch hit forward. If you got Betheras and Scotland it could be a good combo. More likely though is that Collingwood would trade a few players for a draft choice to use on Stevens. If I were Port I'd ask for Collingwood's first round pick as well as Scotland and Didak and see what response they got. It wouldn't be positive but it's the basis for a deal. They could move down from there.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Edgar
Whisky, just a point on the other side of the coin..

You say:

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Yep all good retoric but clubs don't think that way.
On the death nell they will take the deal.

Name any club that has let a top line player go into the preseason draft when a deal was offered before hand.
It just does not happen.
The deals always get done.
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You might realise that this also works the other way. Name any club that hasn't offered a good deal to get a top-line player to their club. Adelaide made sure the deal happened with Carey, Freo with Headland. If Collingwood want Stevens, they'll put up a good deal. It will get done.

Exactly. If Collingwood desperately want Nick Stevens they will put up a good offer for him. If they offer Port a load of rubbish, then Nick is a rabbit with 10 hunters after him - anybodys game.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by MarkT
Not sure if you are serious.

Buckley will play for another 3 or 4 years. It could even be a few more than that. He is in great form and his game has kept developing. The team is finally performing, his pay is only half counted in the salary cap so he is massive value for money cap wise and Collingwood are not over burdened with older players. If Buckley's form drops off next year he'll still be close to our best player. In the last few years he could easily play out of a forward pocket or HBF and be great value. He prepares himself like few others and he has sensational durability. His 2002 was his worst season since he arrived at Collingwood and yet he was still more than very servicable and won the Norm Smith Medal. Without the leg problems this year he will win another Copeland and has won the Brownlow. He is a driven person and I couldn't imagine he would remotely contemplate retirement.

Agreed. Buckley will be another Bradley...he will play for at least another 4 more years. And as you said...if he gets too slow for midfield he could easily be a 40+ goal forward off a flank/pocket.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Lockyer24
Scotland, 1st Rd best they will get/we will offer.

His manager has hinted he wants to play for Pies or will look into the pre-season draft.

If he goes into the pre season draft then he doesnt get his fairytale. If Nick Stevens wants his fairytale then he or his manager will tell the people at Collingwood not to **** Port around. Similar to what Kane Johnson did last year.

The fact that Nick has stated he will go into the pre season draft shows to me that Collingwood is not his number 1 worry here, and that simply returning to Victoria is. If he is that desperate to play for Collingwood, he wont risk putting himself in the pre season draft and end up at one of 14 non-Collingwood teams.

If Collingwood try and screw us around and Nick goes into the pre season draft, then he doesnt get his fairytale and he is stuck playing at another team for another 2 or more years.

I would hope Port would stand tall and tough on this and if Collingwood simply offer crap then Port dont accept on the premise that 'something is better than nothing'. Accepting nothing over something will show the AFL world that we wont be screwed over.

Really...Port nor Collingwood is in the box seat here. Nick Stevens is. If he that desperately wants to play for Collingwood, then he will do anything to get there, and that will mean help organising a fair trade for Port. If not then its his bad luck...he gets stuck playign with a side he doesnt want to be with and ends up looking like a total fool in the process.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by Macca19
If he is that desperate to play for Collingwood, he wont risk putting himself in the pre season draft and end up at one of 14 non-Collingwood teams.

So there is Collingwood, 14 non Collingwood sides and...Port Adelaide?

 

[Nandoz]

This is what I think: (well....hope anyways)

 

[Savage]

Nandoz

You've got too much time on your hands

 

[The Clokes]

how come his heads so big?

 

[Nandoz]

its on adam mcphees body...

lol!

 

[dave_27]

I hear a tough nut defender in Dean Solomon is in contract disputes with the club.

His all urs Port if u want him and Jacobs and Mcveigh are also out of contract defenders aswell u might like to consider.

 

[The Clokes]

I was being sarcastic

 

[rychenroller]

Originally posted by Porthos
Just so this is clear:

HE HASN'T SAID THAT

Thats why I said....2 reasons I can see why he would have....I never said he did. But like I said "if he wanted to" he could hold Port to ransom

Just so thats clear

 

[Zeke]

Originally posted by The Clokes
I was being sarcastic

Are you a moderator?

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by The Clokes
how come his heads so big?

SA media.

 

[OneEyedPie]

please please please dont compare the great nathan buckley to

nick stevens

 

[Vindaloo Mat]

Originally posted by rychenroller
Thats why I said....2 reasons I can see why he would have....I never said he did. But like I said "if he wanted to" he could hold Port to ransom

Just so thats clear

here is where your logic breaks down (I will spell it out for you)...



Nick : "The only club I will play for is Collingwood. Collingwood is it....Listen Brian if Collingwood offer you a bar of soap you must accept because they are the only team I will play for"

Cunningham : "Yeah but Nick we were sort of hoping for pick number 3 and all Collingwood are offering is Tony Shaw"

Nick : "Well that's it. If you don't agree with me playing for Collingwood then I will show you. I will play for the Western Bulldogs !!"

Cunningham : "Nick, I thought you said you would only play for Collingwood. Essendon have just offered us Lucus...how about them ?

Nick : "No. It is only Collingwood I will play for. And if you don't agree I will play for Carlton."


surely you can see the problem in your logic of Nick holding u to ransom in order to play for Collingwood ???

 

[IceTemple]

Two quick questions:

1. Do any of the serious Collingwood supporters know how your salary cap is? Can you fit Stevens under it without blinking?

2. A friend at work made a comment today that Collingwood had "helped" Stevens parents (who are Collingwood cotorie members) purchase a property. Could this be a sweetner to help in Stevens being adamant about where he plays and could this cause a problem re: TPP & breaching if the parents then onload it to Stevens (this also depends on whether it is true or not!!)?

These are serious ?'s not just trolling exercises so I would like true responses (if that's possible on BF!)

 

[MarkT]

Obviously no one here has the TPP details. I THINK Collingwood have quite a bit of space. They are under this year and buckley goes onto the vet list. The Nick Davis trf saved a bit as well as he was on decent money. Woewodin's pay came from there to a large degree and he will sign a pretty reasonable contract after being traded for money issues. Burns goes on next year I think. Richo will retire. Freborne will probably retire or be delisted and Molloy is likely to be traded (IMO). Someone will be traded so that clears more cap space.

I believe that an offer was put to Stevens manager some time ago. I also believe and offer was put to Murphy but seems to have been rejected (good for the Dogs). Rocca is unsigned but I'd be amazed if there was a problem there.

As for the house rumour, financial assistance would be a problem but if it was just practical help then it would be fine.

 

[Nic]

I don't think Burns will be on the veterans list next year. But other than that, we should be sweet.

 

[IceTemple]

Thanks MarkT.

The impression my friend gave was that they actually paid for the house. It seemed a bit far-fetched as clubs are not that stupid anymore (sic) but I was just curious as to whether you guys have heard it down in Magpie land.

 

[marcuz]

Use a carlton trick and hire buckleys missus to work at the social club for about $200,000 a year and knock off that same amount off nathan's contract. That should free up some room

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by The Clokes
Is Nick Stevens the next logical replacement to fill his shoes?

And will Nick Stevens be as good as Buckley?

NO

NO

 

[Nic]

Originally posted by IceTemple

The impression my friend gave was that they actually paid for the house. It seemed a bit far-fetched as clubs are not that stupid anymore (sic) but I was just curious as to whether you guys have heard it down in Magpie land.

Haven't heard a thing about it, but hey, whatever works.