Mega Thread Official 2012 Draft discussion thread: All drafts complete.

[ThePuppetMaster]

It's not draft tampering, there's a situation where both clubs want something - if there isn't any discussion about it how do the clubs come to an agreement where they get what they want.

Grundy's a great talent, but there's absolutely no point drafting a ruckman to play as a key forward.

 

[Demons2012]

Not sure why we would offer pick 3, GWS aren't going to get anything better than pick 5 from anyone else (assuming GC offers pick 2 for Martin). So wouldn't it make more sense to offer pick 4?

Unless of course there's the unofficial sweetner for something else. Not rapped with Hogan from the reports I've read, would rather someone who could play next year like a Toumpas etc, not a 17 year old version of Hawkins, while he's great now it took him 6-7 years from when he was drafted to make a contribution.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Hogan is nowhere near as physically big as Tom Hawkins - much closer to what Hurley was than Hawkins.

 

[rhaz]

Also if it's clear that Viney isn't a top 2 pick and gws or GC bid on him to just force us to take him at pick 3 then that could also come under draft tampering laws.

That's like saying that bluffing your opponent in a game of poker is cheating. It's not, it's just risky. GWS/GC would be forced to take Viney if we didn't agree he was worth out pick 3/4 - we could call their bluff.

Doing under the table/unofficial deals is draft tampering, yes. But other clubs bidding on Viney is not.

 

[Demons2012]

Thanks The PuppetMaster, I read somewhere in someone's Phantom draft that there was a concern about him dominating now, as a man amongst children and assumed he may be similar to Hawkins. If he is closer to hurley would love him at the club (as I would Hawkins too, don't get me wrong). I'm just impatient and would think a mid would improve us more in the short term.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Yeah, he's very much in the Hurley/Darling mold - a couple of extra kilos that he will trim off as well, like those two as juniors I doubt his skin folds will be low.

The problem with this situation is that the F/S bidding process comes before anything else in trade week.

 

[Black Dynamite]

Strong mail on GC being happy to bid and take Jack Viney in F/S bidding process.We may have to get our heads around taking Viney with our first pick or not getting him at all.Hoping this is wrong but as I said mail was reasonably strong.

 

[Captain Jack]

Strong mail on GC being happy to bid and take Jack Viney in F/S bidding process.We may have to get our heads around taking Viney with our first pick or not getting him at all.Hoping this is wrong but as I said mail was reasonably strong.

This is not surprising, GC need as many strong bodies as they can get, especially with Caddy leaving. Hardly makes a difference for us though, we will take Viney no matter what and anyone with half a brain (like the MFC recruiters) has been resigned to using our first pick on him for ages.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Strong mail on GC being happy to bid and take Jack Viney in F/S bidding process.We may have to get our heads around taking Viney with our first pick or not getting him at all.Hoping this is wrong but as I said mail was reasonably strong.

That's strange because I've heard GC are incredibly keen on getting Martin in with a MD pick (not just through Jay Clark ) - they'd need to give up pick 2 for the first MD pick.

I know which one I hope is right!!

 

[LBJ6]

So F/S bidding occurs before the mini draft yeah?

GC can bid on Viney, they know we will take him and then they get Jack Martin. They don't really have anything to lose.... can't see how we will get him in the second round unfortunately.

 

[PureFooty]

We need mids though and if Toumpas goes top 2 Grundy who can play kpf will be there. Also making and agreement with gws to not bid on Viney would come under draft tampering laws and I think we have enough investigations at the moment to worry about. Also if it's clear that Viney isn't a top 2 pick and gws or GC bid on him to just force us to take him at pick 3 then that could also come under draft tampering laws.

It's very simple, if Viney is a top 2 player then GWS or GC will nominate. If he isn't they won't nominate. At the moment it's just hype, their not going to go out of their way and risk something in spite of another club, it's quite illogical if you ask me.

 

[Demons2012]

I agree PureFooty, would be shocked if either nominate him. I also don't think we should pay pick 3 if he's not worth it, though I appreciate that my be against what most others think. If he is worth a pick 3 different story and I'll leave that up to the recruiters but right now, in my humble opinion pick 3 is overs.

 

[rhaz]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145467/default.aspx

Scroll down... draft combine invitee, Tom Grimes. Played for Northern Knights like our Jack and his brother Dylan both did. 189cm which is around the same height as the other two... i'm wondering/guessing he is another brother? anyone know?

edit: Yes, he is! http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/star/Whittlesea-Mernda-DoreenStar/197/story/75885.html There's 5 brothers interesting that it says one of the other brother has trouble with his knees... very injury prone family

I posted in Knightmares mock draft thread to see if he had any thoughts about Tom. Not saying we should draft players based on their family name but its worth asking.

 

[easter31]

Another player I'd like to raise is Matthew McDonough.

He's a medium forward, 180 cm tall, but very solidly built and a very strong overhead mark for his size and in contests. He's also nowhere near out of his depth at ground level, either, although ideally he is a marking target. He kicked twelve goals in a two-game stretch (and IIRC kicked two or three in the following game), so he's the type of player that has the knack of finding the footy in the forward line, taking a grab and kicking a goal. I'm not sure on his endurance or ball-winning capabilities, personally, but in saying that I doubt he's the type of player to push up the ground to win the ball and deliver inside 50 anyway. He was also named in the All-Australian forward line, but medium forwards historically aren't 'rated' as highly through the draft.

It seems as if he'll slip through to around the second or third round, and if he's available at pick 45 (or if we acquired a pick in the 30-45 range through a trade), then I'd snap him up in a heartbeat.

I agree. Really would be a great get. Mentioned him to Mark Neeld at one of the coaches forums. I said that he reminded me of a young Jason Dunstall. He thought about that for a moment and said yeah he did a bit didn't he.
I also really like Sam Colqhoun who played at half back fo SA. Averaged nearly 30 possies a game during the Championships and set up so many plays from for SA to rebound from. He made All Australian.

 

[tasmanlvr]

http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/star/Whittlesea-Mernda-DoreenStar/197/story/75885.html There's 5 brothers interesting that it says one of the other brother has trouble with his knees... very injury prone family

Yeah, I've seen Nathan play for Diamond Creek in the NFL, he plays mostly forward I think. Pretty big lad I think as well.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

I agree. Really would be a great get. Mentioned him to Mark Neeld at one of the coaches forums. I said that he reminded me of a young Jason Dunstall. He thought about that for a moment and said yeah he did a bit didn't he.
I also really like Sam Colqhoun who played at half back fo SA. Averaged nearly 30 possies a game during the Championships and set up so many plays from for SA to rebound from. He made All Australian.

Defensively Colqhoun's not that great IMO.

McDonough should be available mid 40's - he's pretty impressive ... I'd liken him to a Chapman/Porplyzia type from the couple of times I've see him.

 

[Eth]

I agree. Really would be a great get. Mentioned him to Mark Neeld at one of the coaches forums. I said that he reminded me of a young Jason Dunstall. He thought about that for a moment and said yeah he did a bit didn't he.
I also really like Sam Colqhoun who played at half back fo SA. Averaged nearly 30 possies a game during the Championships and set up so many plays from for SA to rebound from. He made All Australian.

Oh, Colquhoun's a jet off half-back. Being a SA boy I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Adelaide snapped him up with their first-round pick, with Doughty and Johncock (arguably) on the way out, but if he's there at pick 26, however unlikely it is, then I'd take him, of course.

Think Heath Shaw for those who haven't seen him, or don't know much about him. Edit: Agreed ThePuppetMaster - he's an offensive half-back. I would think his defensive abilities would be able to be grasped over time.

Good to see you posed McDonough to Neeld, I'd love him at Melbourne.

 

[andrew127127]

I read in herald sun today the demons may give up early pick for this hogan kid in the gws mini draft , do you think this would be good idea ill be honest i dont know if hes good or not but worth waiating extra,year for him ?

 

[Blackas87]

It's not draft tampering, there's a situation where both clubs want something - if there isn't any discussion about it how do the clubs come to an agreement where they get what they want.

Grundy's a great talent, but there's absolutely no point drafting a ruckman to play as a key forward.

It's all well and perfect for Melbourne to trade pick 3 for a GWS mini Draft pick but if we say only if you don't bid on Viney so we can draft him with a second round pick then it will be considered draft tampering.

As for Grundy I wouldn't expect him to play his career just as a forward but him swapping from ruck to forward with Max Gawn for years to come would be a dominant combination.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

It's all well and perfect for Melbourne to trade pick 3 for a GWS mini Draft pick but if we say only if you don't bid on Viney so we can draft him with a second round pick then it will be considered draft tampering.

As for Grundy I wouldn't expect him to play his career just as a forward but him swapping from ruck to forward with Max Gawn for years to come would be a dominant combination.

No.

The thing is that we physically CAN'T trade pick 3 if GWS bid on Viney.

Because the F/S bidding process comes before trade week.

Basically.

If GWS want pick 3, they won't bid on Viney.

If GC want Martin, they won't bid on Viney.

 

[Blackas87]

No.

The thing is that we physically CAN'T trade pick 3 if GWS bid on Viney.

Because the F/S bidding process comes before trade week.

Basically.

If GWS want pick 3, they won't bid on Viney.

If GC want Martin, they won't bid on Viney.

well yeah that does make sense, but that is if GC want Martin though

 

[Oscarman]

Spotted Todd Viney at North Hobart Oval yesterday checking out some of the youngsters going around in the TSL finals. Wasn't in club gear and I'm pretty certain that most clubs would have had someone there. Jesse Lonergan from Launceston is a player that I'm sure Todd would have been looking at closely, and Ben Brown from Glenorchy (a ruckman overlooked in last years draft) is another who I think will get drafted this year. He dominated but did get very tired in the last quarter and this had a huge influence on Glenorchy being overrun.

 

[Super Demon]

No.

The thing is that we physically CAN'T trade pick 3 if GWS bid on Viney.

Because the F/S bidding process comes before trade week.

Basically.

If GWS want pick 3, they won't bid on Viney.

If GC want Martin, they won't bid on Viney.

Now that our season has finished:

I am very confident that Jack Viney will come to us as a 2nd round pick.


Hopefully Neeld will make the choices at the draft table this year.

It's almost the last chance saloon if we get this year's draft wrong.

 

[Demonheart]

Not sure it means too much guys, but Todd Viney was standing near me last night at the WAFL match between South Fremantle and Swan Districts. Not too sure who exactly he would have been scoping, or whether he's over taking advantage of this round being stretched over three days, but it seemed odd to be over on a week where the Dees weren't playing here.

Thanks for that, I know we're really into Hogan so he was probably making the most of the trip

 

[Blackas87]

Big opportunity to set up our midfield for the next 10-15 years in this draft