Discussion Official 2021 Fantasy Planning Thread

[WaynesWorld19]

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[Neale4brownlow]

Am I the only one here not on the Walsh bandwagon?
Im still not entirely seeing it. You'd want 105+ from him to justify his price.. can he do that?
It's relying alot on some improvement from the Blues.

As much as you all hate Coniglio, his year last year is entirely excusable as a terrible experiment up forward. Back in the guts he's proven to be elite... 104ave in 2019. 110ave in 2018..

I have Coniglio and Wines both as better picks as Walsh but sounds like I'm just stuck in my old ways in that.

I made a similar blunder when Taranto was emerging a couple years ago. I think I backed Angus Brayshaw

10

Angus Brayshaw

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.3

5star

MG

233.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.2

4star

MG

233.5

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

5.6

5star

.. yuck.

 

[Shadow89]

It's slightly concerning. You'd think Constable, Bews, Evans and Zach Guthrie come out of the 26 to bring it down to 22.

So then if Duncan comes back in he's kicking out one of Kolodjasni/Jenkins/Atkins/O'Connor/Henry or Clark.

Any geelong boys want to comment on the Best 22 status of those blokes Gunf Shadow89

Say Clark is named round 1 and has an ok game without being great.

Is he the first one dropped when Duncan comes back in round 2-3?

Briggs - I tihnk Flynn is ahead. Briggs was great first quarter but faded bad after that.
Will Powell - Looked unreal. Has the role. Sneaky late draft selection. Actually did well in defence at the back end of last year once he was moved off a wing and into that role. Looks set to continue. Definitely under priced but not sure what he is capable of. Think it's more in that 75-80 range but could be off
Markov - Liked the look of him. Bit like a Saad role for the bombers but saw more ball. Is bloody cheap, could be a go-er
Witho - You know my thoughts. I think he's certainly capable but you're right in the fact that there are plenty of guys around his price that also warrant selection
Cripps, Rowell, Seir, Green and any other inside only players - The only inside mid I have currently is Taranto but he also has somewhat of an outside game to him. Trying not to look too much into pre season games as lack of defensive intent and open play make them hard to read sometimes and it could just be that. But certainly someone like Rowell/Green is on my radar to keep track of. Not as bullish on Sier
Atkins - Does this role continue when Cats are full strength? Shadow89 best to answer this one

Rightio, so a bit to address here:

Atkins - looks very likely to maintain his spot, hence why I'm strongly considering him. Gotta remember, he was the 23rd man in our Premiership push last year, and is no fringe player when it comes to deciding our 22.

I thought it spoke volumes that he played a full game, while Kolo played just 1 quarter. Suggested to me that Kolo is the odd man out - given our lack of speed coming out of defense. Atkins is also quite a good ball user, is way quicker than people realize, and has grunt up the wazoo. He's also been 'endorsed' by Scarlo, as he wanted him back there, which is another big tick.

Clark, is interesting, because I'm sure he'll play Round 1, but I don't know how likely it is that he keeps his spot, when Dunc returns. If he impresses against Adelaide then he'll likely kick out a Tuohy, Bews, Dahl, type. He's basically got to demonstrate that he's better than those players (which I think he definitely is - as do most of the Geelong board), to keep them out. At the moment, he's in that 20-22 bracket, and if he has a poor game, will get dropped. The fact that he can play wing and half back, and even forward, is something that really elevates him over other players like Dahl, Constable, Bews etc. Basically if you want him, I'd select him Round 1, see how he goes, and then adjudicate from there.

It's also important to note, that both Knights and Scott have said that our likely gameplan, is to have Stanley alongside one of Rata/Jenkins/Fort, so he can have a chop out. Seems we're committed to having Danger stay full mid, Blics full time def, and keeping a really settled role now that Hawk has his foil in Cameron up forward.

To give everyone an idea, this is how I think we'll line up Round 1:

B: O'Connor, Blics, Henry
HB: Stewart, Henderson, Atkins
C: Clark, Guthrie, I. Smith
FO: Stanley, Danger, Parfitt
HF: S. Higgins, J. Cameron, Dahl/Evans
F: Rohan, Hawk, Miers
INT: Sel, Ratugolea, Menegola, Evans/Dahl

EMG: Bews, Tuohy, Kolo, Evans/Dahl

*******************

Think Duncan takes Dahl/Evans' spot when he returns, but if Clark has a stinker, then Bews could take his spot by way of Menegola from the bench, in a heartbeat. We have ridiculous depth at the moment, and by all accounts, will be going in with most players available come Round 1.

In a nutshell, I'll put it this way:

Job Security - Atkins: good
Job Security - Clark: shaky
Job Security - Evans: not good

If you're choosing Clark, choose him on the basis of someone you want to make quick cash off, and drop - don't choose him as a slow burn to eventually reach an easy upgrade to a premo. Atkins would be a much safer choice for that type of strategy IMO

Hope that helps everyone

 

[Shadow89]

Am I the only one here not on the Walsh bandwagon?
Im still not entirely seeing it. You'd want 105+ from him to justify his price.. can he do that?
It's relying alot on some improvement from the Blues.

As much as you all hate Coniglio, his year last year is entirely excusable as a terrible experiment up forward. Back in the guts he's proven to be elite... 104ave in 2019. 110ave in 2018..

I have Coniglio and Wines both as better picks as Walsh but sounds like I'm just stuck in my old ways in that.

I made a similar blunder when Taranto was emerging a couple years ago. I think I backed Angus Brayshaw.. yuck.

I love the look of Cogs, and his role looked grouse on the weekend. Have been considering him next to TT, and think he's a really sneaky choice for a unique, given his huge upside (could be 10-15 points underpriced given his history).

I also love Walsh though, so I'm thinking about having both, given how the longer quarters will suit an enduro like him, with another pre-season under his belt, and full mid minutes. Also drifts all around the ground, and takes +6's at will. Very Gaffish in that regard

 

[kozi]

Rightio, so a bit to address here:

Atkins - looks very likely to maintain his spot, hence why I'm strongly considering him. Gotta remember, he was the 23rd man in our Premiership push last year, and is no fringe player when it comes to deciding our 22.

I thought it spoke volumes that he played a full game, while Kolo played just 1 quarter. Suggested to me that Kolo is the odd man out - given our lack of speed coming out of defense. Atkins is also quite a good ball user, is way quicker than people realize, and has grunt up the wazoo. He's also been 'endorsed' by Scarlo, as he wanted him back there, which is another big tick.

Clark, is interesting, because I'm sure he'll play Round 1, but I don't know how likely it is that he keeps his spot, when Dunc returns. If he impresses against Adelaide then he'll likely kick out a Tuohy, Bews, Dahl, type. He's basically got to demonstrate that he's better than those players (which I think he definitely is - as do most of the Geelong board), to keep them out. At the moment, he's in that 20-22 bracket, and if he has a poor game, will get dropped. The fact that he can play wing and half back, and even forward, is something that really elevates him over other players like Dahl, Constable, Bews etc. Basically if you want him, I'd select him Round 1, see how he goes, and then adjudicate from there.

It's also important to note, that both Knights and Scott have said that our likely gameplan, is to have Stanley alongside one of Rata/Jenkins/Fort, so he can have a chop out. Seems we're committed to having Danger stay full mid, Blics full time def, and keeping a really settled role now that Hawk has his foil in Cameron up forward.

To give everyone an idea, this is how I think we'll line up Round 1:

B: O'Connor, Blics, Henry
HB: Stewart, Henderson, Atkins
C: Clark, Guthrie, I. Smith
FO: Stanley, Danger, Parfitt
HF: S. Higgins, J. Cameron, Dahl/Evans
F: Rohan, Hawk, Miers
INT: Sel, Ratugolea, Menegola, Evans/Dahl

EMG: Bews, Tuohy, Kolo, Evans/Dahl

*******************

Think Duncan takes Dahl/Evans' spot when he returns, but if Clark has a stinker, then Bews could take his spot by way of Menegola from the bench, in a heartbeat. We have ridiculous depth at the moment, and by all accounts, will be going in with most players available come Round 1.

In a nutshell, I'll put it this way:

Job Security - Atkins: good
Job Security - Clark: shaky
Job Security - Evans: not good

If you're choosing Clark, choose him on the basis of someone you want to make quick cash off, and drop - don't choose him as a slow burn to eventually reach an easy upgrade to a premo. Atkins would be a much safer choice for that type of strategy IMO

Hope that helps everyone

10/10 mate.

I reckon we should have 1 supporter of each team write up an analysis like this for their side.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Rightio, so a bit to address here:

Atkins - looks very likely to maintain his spot, hence why I'm strongly considering him. Gotta remember, he was the 23rd man in our Premiership push last year, and is no fringe player when it comes to deciding our 22.

I thought it spoke volumes that he played a full game, while Kolo played just 1 quarter. Suggested to me that Kolo is the odd man out - given our lack of speed coming out of defense. Atkins is also quite a good ball user, is way quicker than people realize, and has grunt up the wazoo. He's also been 'endorsed' by Scarlo, as he wanted him back there, which is another big tick.

Clark, is interesting, because I'm sure he'll play Round 1, but I don't know how likely it is that he keeps his spot, when Dunc returns. If he impresses against Adelaide then he'll likely kick out a Tuohy, Bews, Dahl, type. He's basically got to demonstrate that he's better than those players (which I think he definitely is - as do most of the Geelong board), to keep them out. At the moment, he's in that 20-22 bracket, and if he has a poor game, will get dropped. The fact that he can play wing and half back, and even forward, is something that really elevates him over other players like Dahl, Constable, Bews etc. Basically if you want him, I'd select him Round 1, see how he goes, and then adjudicate from there.

It's also important to note, that both Knights and Scott have said that our likely gameplan, is to have Stanley alongside one of Rata/Jenkins/Fort, so he can have a chop out. Seems we're committed to having Danger stay full mid, Blics full time def, and keeping a really settled role now that Hawk has his foil in Cameron up forward.

To give everyone an idea, this is how I think we'll line up Round 1:

B: O'Connor, Blics, Henry
HB: Stewart, Henderson, Atkins
C: Clark, Guthrie, I. Smith
FO: Stanley, Danger, Parfitt
HF: S. Higgins, J. Cameron, Dahl/Evans
F: Rohan, Hawk, Miers
INT: Sel, Ratugolea, Menegola, Evans/Dahl

EMG: Bews, Tuohy, Kolo, Evans/Dahl

*******************

Think Duncan takes Dahl/Evans' spot when he returns, but if Clark has a stinker, then Bews could take his spot by way of Menegola from the bench, in a heartbeat. We have ridiculous depth at the moment, and by all accounts, will be going in with most players available come Round 1.

In a nutshell, I'll put it this way:

Job Security - Atkins: good
Job Security - Clark: shaky
Job Security - Evans: not good

If you're choosing Clark, choose him on the basis of someone you want to make quick cash off, and drop - don't choose him as a slow burn to eventually reach an easy upgrade to a premo. Atkins would be a much safer choice for that type of strategy IMO

Hope that helps everyone

I think this is right. If you're selecting him its because of his crazy scoring potential which in theory should equate to crazy output. If he's that good, he'll retain his spot. He's not a Webster type who will probably be a lock for the 22 and play ordinary games for 60 points.

If you're selecting Clark its on the hope he goes at 80-90 and plays out of his skin to cement his spot. If he gets dropped, you take the cash he's made and move on from him.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Am I the only one here not on the Walsh bandwagon?
Im still not entirely seeing it. You'd want 105+ from him to justify his price.. can he do that?
It's relying alot on some improvement from the Blues.

As much as you all hate Coniglio, his year last year is entirely excusable as a terrible experiment up forward. Back in the guts he's proven to be elite... 104ave in 2019. 110ave in 2018..

I have Coniglio and Wines both as better picks as Walsh but sounds like I'm just stuck in my old ways in that.

I made a similar blunder when Taranto was emerging a couple years ago. I think I backed Angus Brayshaw.. yuck.

Walsh will go 110 this season. Check out this useful insight from someone on the Carlton Board re: the Saints Practice game.

Summary of our centre square set ups:

Quarter 1
Ed Cripps Williams - Saints free
Ed Cripps Williams - Saints clearance
Willams Ed Cripps - Williams free
Walsh Dow Cripps - Walsh clearance
Cripps Dow Walsh - No real clearance
Dow Cripps Walsh - McDonald hack fwd
Walsh Martin Cripps - Saints clearance
Martin Williams Walsh - Saints clearance
Martin Williams Walsh - Willams free
Dow Walsh Cripps - Walsh clearance
Williams Walsh Cripps - Walsh clearance
Walsh Cripps Williams - Willams free
Williams Cripps Dow - Dow clearance
Dow Martin Williams - Saints clearance

Quarter 2
Walsh Dow Cripps - Saints clearance
Walsh Cripps Williams - Credit all 3
Walsh Cripps Williams - Pitt clearance
Cripps Walsh Dow - Stoppage then Saints
Cripps Walsh Dow - Saints clearance
Dow Martin Walsh - Walsh free
Cripps Martin Williams - Credit Williams
Walsh Williams Cripps - Saints but just luck
Dow Fogarty Walsh - Poor free against Fog
Walsh Dow Fogarty - Saints clearance

Quarter 3
Walsh Dow Williams - Dow clearance
Walsh Cripps Ed - Pitto hack forward
Cripps Ed Walsh - Saints clearance
Ed Cunners Dow - Credit all 3
Ed Cunners Dow - Saints clearance
Ed Cunners Dow - McDonald free

Quarter 4
Cripps Dow Ed - Saints clearance
Ed Cripps Dow - Saints clearance
Williams Walsh Martin - Saints hack fwd
Ed Cripps Williams - Ed clearance
Ed Cripps Walsh - Saints free
Cripps Ed Walsh - Ed hack forward
Martin Ed Cunners - Ed hack forward
Martin Ed Cunners - No real clearance

Attended:
Cripps - 25
Walsh - 24
Dow - 18
Williams - 16
Ed - 15
Martin - 9
Cunners - 5
Fogarty - 2

2nd in centre bounce attendances from Cripps, wins four + centre clearances himself.

He's just elite. Elite, elite, elite.

You'll wanna tell your kids you got on Walsh when he was priced at below 100.

"No way dad, that's not possible, Walsh famously averaged in excess for 100 for 12+ seasons in a row"

"That's right son, I picked him up after his first breakout where he was still priced in the 90's, he averaged 110 for me in 2021 and he helped me win that Toyota I crashed into a tree back in 2024"

 

[Gunf]

Rightio, so a bit to address here:

Atkins - looks very likely to maintain his spot, hence why I'm strongly considering him. Gotta remember, he was the 23rd man in our Premiership push last year, and is no fringe player when it comes to deciding our 22.

I thought it spoke volumes that he played a full game, while Kolo played just 1 quarter. Suggested to me that Kolo is the odd man out - given our lack of speed coming out of defense. Atkins is also quite a good ball user, is way quicker than people realize, and has grunt up the wazoo. He's also been 'endorsed' by Scarlo, as he wanted him back there, which is another big tick.

Clark, is interesting, because I'm sure he'll play Round 1, but I don't know how likely it is that he keeps his spot, when Dunc returns. If he impresses against Adelaide then he'll likely kick out a Tuohy, Bews, Dahl, type. He's basically got to demonstrate that he's better than those players (which I think he definitely is - as do most of the Geelong board), to keep them out. At the moment, he's in that 20-22 bracket, and if he has a poor game, will get dropped. The fact that he can play wing and half back, and even forward, is something that really elevates him over other players like Dahl, Constable, Bews etc. Basically if you want him, I'd select him Round 1, see how he goes, and then adjudicate from there.

It's also important to note, that both Knights and Scott have said that our likely gameplan, is to have Stanley alongside one of Rata/Jenkins/Fort, so he can have a chop out. Seems we're committed to having Danger stay full mid, Blics full time def, and keeping a really settled role now that Hawk has his foil in Cameron up forward.

To give everyone an idea, this is how I think we'll line up Round 1:

B: O'Connor, Blics, Henry
HB: Stewart, Henderson, Atkins
C: Clark, Guthrie, I. Smith
FO: Stanley, Danger, Parfitt
HF: S. Higgins, J. Cameron, Dahl/Evans
F: Rohan, Hawk, Miers
INT: Sel, Ratugolea, Menegola, Evans/Dahl

EMG: Bews, Tuohy, Kolo, Evans/Dahl

*******************

Think Duncan takes Dahl/Evans' spot when he returns, but if Clark has a stinker, then Bews could take his spot by way of Menegola from the bench, in a heartbeat. We have ridiculous depth at the moment, and by all accounts, will be going in with most players available come Round 1.

In a nutshell, I'll put it this way:

Job Security - Atkins: good
Job Security - Clark: shaky
Job Security - Evans: not good

If you're choosing Clark, choose him on the basis of someone you want to make quick cash off, and drop - don't choose him as a slow burn to eventually reach an easy upgrade to a premo. Atkins would be a much safer choice for that type of strategy IMO

Hope that helps everyone

I really like this write up and agree with most of it.

But i am pessimistic about Bews, Kolo and Tuohy all not being in the side. But damn am i hoping you are correct

 

[perplexed]

Am I the only one here not on the Walsh bandwagon?
Im still not entirely seeing it. You'd want 105+ from him to justify his price.. can he do that?
It's relying alot on some improvement from the Blues.

As much as you all hate Coniglio, his year last year is entirely excusable as a terrible experiment up forward. Back in the guts he's proven to be elite... 104ave in 2019. 110ave in 2018..

I have Coniglio and Wines both as better picks as Walsh but sounds like I'm just stuck in my old ways in that.

I made a similar blunder when Taranto was emerging a couple years ago. I think I backed Angus Brayshaw.. yuck.

I'm with you on Walsh and Wines, but where have you got this Cogs playing forward last year stuff from? The bloke was at just about every centre bounce and it killed his team's chances of making the finals. He should have been dropped way earlier than he was.

 

[Thetrader15]

So the last place I want to go is where I need to go

It’ll be like Frodo heading into Mordor

Maybe take the premiership medal off before you knock on the door.

 

[11kgm]

 

[bl4ke]

Any good?

 

[11kgm]

Any good?

it has some good points, some good tips nothing we haven't seen before

but 57 pages for that price is value

 

[bl4ke]

it has some good points, some good tips nothing we haven't seen before

but 57 pages for that price is value

Twisted my arm

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Who's the Steele of this year? Ie. bloke just above 700k about to go to the next level. I put in Macrae yesterday but pondering getting him down to someone to give me another 150k to play with.

Im looking at Wines.. anyone else?

Taranto at this stage for me

10/10 mate.

I reckon we should have 1 supporter of each team write up an analysis like this for their side.

Mine would be short (no pun intended) like every year.

 

[11kgm]

Twisted my arm

let me know what you think

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Walsh will go 110 this season. Check out this useful insight from someone on the Carlton Board re: the Saints Practice game.



2nd in centre bounce attendances from Cripps, wins four + centre clearances himself.

He's just elite. Elite, elite, elite.

You'll wanna tell your kids you got on Walsh when he was priced at below 100.

"No way dad, that's not possible, Walsh famously averaged in excess for 100 for 12+ seasons in a row"

"That's right son, I picked him up after his first breakout where he was still priced in the 90's, he averaged 110 for me in 2021 and he helped me win that Toyota I crashed into a tree back in 2024"

Oh damn... my little one is 13months and he's looking at me like I've got answers.

And I don't even have Walsh in my midfield.

I need to fix this.

 

[dylan123]

Haven't played this comp in a while, am I the only one that finds the interface woeful?

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Will the new rules help Pendulbury push back to his 105-110 ave or do we think he’s past it now? Always been a very consistent player and doesn’t seem to be slowing down yet but being 33 now that’s usually a danger area to be picking a player at that price

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Anything thinking not going Gawn/Grundy/ROB ??

Less stoppages, more open contest, less ruck contests and less points.

Going for Oscar and Nank would cost 1.1 million
= 85 points each (170)

Gawn and Grundy would cost 1.9 million
= 110 points each (220)

An extra 50 points for 800k

Could use that 800k on another premo mid

 

[Quokka]

Haven't played this comp in a while, am I the only one that finds the interface woeful?

It gets a little worse every year and so you'll notice it more having had a break. On the bright side you have missed the 2020 'double click and flip cards to move players' and will be simply dragging them about like you likely remember from the last time you played, that only took them half a season to re-engineer.

 

[2006_Eagles]

Merrett out for a month with a hammy. God dam he’s my M1!





Spoiler

Not really but stay away from him he’s mine!

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Will the new rules help Pendulbury push back to his 105-110 ave or do we think he’s past it now? Always been a very consistent player and doesn’t seem to be slowing down yet but being 33 now that’s usually a danger area to be picking a player at that price

Racking up plenty in defence the other night. Obviously full of enthusiasm because he dominated the tackle count.

 

[Cm Perfect]

Will the new rules help Pendulbury push back to his 105-110 ave or do we think he’s past it now? Always been a very consistent player and doesn’t seem to be slowing down yet but being 33 now that’s usually a danger area to be picking a player at that price

Not the worst idea as the Pies have lost Treloar and Phillips, and Sier is not entirely established as Best 22, so he'll play a lot and will rack it up. And no one will pick him.

 

[Chris99]

Struggling with my D3 spot, this bloody backline giving me headaches!!

Currently running with: Laird, Daniel, Clark, Young, Idun

Now I've got 467k to spend but a few options. Who do we think?

I like Fantasia/Markov but feel they could be some preseason hype, looking at Sholl/McPherson but can they score in such a shit team? McPherson to me looks the goods as the ball will be back there heaps and he's seem to take on a 3rd tall rebounding role (almost a slightly more defensive laird) his only problem is all his injuries so cautious of that.

Is there anyone else who I've left out in this price bracket I should consider?

 

[2006_Eagles]

Struggling with my D3 spot, this bloody backline giving me headaches!!

Currently running with: Laird, Daniel, Clark, Young, Idun

Now I've got 467k to spend but a few options. Who do we think?

I like Fantasia/Markov but feel they could be some preseason hype, looking at Sholl/McPherson but can they score in such a sh*t team? McPherson to me looks the goods as the ball will be back there heaps and he's seem to take on a 3rd tall rebounding role (almost a slightly more defensive laird) his only problem is all his injuries so cautious of that.

Is there anyone else who I've left out in this price bracket I should consider?

Webster, Aliir